2011, DO you beleive it?

HEy if you listen to family radio then you should know what im talkin about. OR have you heard of Harold Camping.
Please post.

oops i forgot to metion i believe it 100% = )

I have no idea what you`re talking about.

However, instead of making a second post in this thread because you forgot something. You should`ve used the edit button.

Regards Howard

00ps i @lways forget that, thanks

As I've never heard of him, you got my curiosity up. Googled, read a few lines from several different reports, and stopped. I didn't read enough to find out what 2011 brings, but I can guess. Can't say I follow his beliefs. How about you?

And I wonder how this relates to TS.

Just to "enlighten" you Howard, so to speak -

"Harold Camping is the founder and president of Family Radio (Family Stations, Inc.)
He wants all Christians to leave their churches and trust Family Radio to be the vehicle through which the gospel of his fictitious, man-made god, Je-Zeus Christ is preached to the whole world. You can guess where Camping thinks you should send all your money to. His style is unmistakably unique, he speaks slowly with a distinctive voice and cadence that people tend to believe whatever he says." HERE

Ah I see now.

Thanks for the info Peddant, it`s appreciated mate.

Regards Howard :wave: :wave:

? I dont really listen to him on radio but my family does. I went to one of these dinners with him there and the rest of family radio staff. BUt he had some really good Facts and versus of the bible that supports it really well. THe bible says the church age ends in 1991. Some mathematical equasion. But the best way to learn about it is to read it for my self...

btw, i met him in person, Hes no joke. The angelfire page is false. Hes bin a volounteer. And now his books are free, from all the supporters. I support him 100% But its just my oppinion. Just wondering if there was anyone out there that listens to it. But what you see in churches now is almost fake. Have you ever watched b.e.t on sunday at 12. am? Watch it and you will know what im talking about.

Lol, do all their followers have bad spelling? Maybe they're appealing to the uneducated, who believe anything someone throws at them...

SO what's supposed to happen in 2011??

If you'd said 2012, I'd know, but 2011? lol

is 2012 the mayan thing? Wats that about? Ive heard alot about that. AND CMH, CAmping didnt make anything up. Its straight from the bible. Only the true beleivers know.

Yes - 2012 is reputedly the end of the Mayan calendar. There are many theories about why that is significant. The most famous is the "end of the world" theory - one I suspect has been taken WAAAY out of context.

Well I beleve in god, and I think you will all agree on this one with me... The bible has been translated and misconceived over centuries. I not to sure that he would have such a blunt name like God athough it does make sense. This is common sense if you think about it.

But there is diffently a god or "GOD" for that matter.

Beliving in such nonsense, wouldn't it be a sin that could damn you to hell you're *****?

This is a type of Athetism.

This form may need to be closed if the topic goes into religous views before it gets out of hand, and please explain what's going to happen in 2011.


Also are computers will save use from extinction and then a latter we will have a huge battle.

Machine vs Humman

Since hummans aren't perfect then nether can machines making them flawed.

Who will win

LOL it sounds like a movie/game catch frase


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hahah yea it kinda does. But thats why i posted, i was just curius if any1 else heard about this. BEacuase me and my family are really cristian

akaivan to youre previous post I have no clue what you're agreeing on and what you're getting at.


Instead of wasting invaluable time please explain what you mean?

I'm not (though I am deeply spiritual)

The thing is, religion can be talked about without having to resort to arguments and flames. In fact, I have INCREDIBLE disrespect for anybody who pushes their reigion down other peoples throats as gospel (if you'll excuse the unintended pun).

What a lot of people fail to accept is that while something is completely true to them and absolutely irrefutable, it is still only THEIR belief. Other people believe other things and are perfectly entitled to do so, and (for a devout and extreme evalangical christian example, for the sake of familiarity) no amount of "you'll burn in hell you sinner", "I hate you you blasphemer", or "You should convert to my ways because the bible says..." is ever going to make that otherwise, or convert those that truly believe in something else.

Personally I see religion as a mountain, where divinity sits at the top. Each path taken up the montain to reach divinity is profoundly personal, and is up to the choice of the individual. Depending on which part of the mountain you've chosen to be on, what you see around you and the perspective view of what's up on the top will be different, but no one path is any less valid than another. The importance is in the journey, not nessecarily the destination.

As such, I see no reason why reasonable people should be unable to discuss a religious issue, or a religion itself, provided that it's done objectively and with respect for others and their beliefs.

Of course, not everyone is reasonable, but the ones that aren't won't be posting in this thread, because if they do it'll either be deleted or the thread closed.

Personally, while I don't know what this 2011 thing is, I do believe that 2012 will be precisely 48 minutes before 2100.

Edit: Yes, by the way. God does have a name (the judeo-christian one). Unfortunately though, It's not supposed to be said by christians or jews alike, as dictated in the Old Testament. However, not being christian myself, I have no problems with saying that he is called IHVH (the holy tetragrammaton). It's actually the name of god that Jehova comes from - because it was considered sinful to say or write the name of God, the letters of his name were interspersed with the vowels of the word "adhonai" (meaning "My Lord") and the resultant word was YaHoWaH (pronounced Jehova). Sadly though, because it was forbidden for so long to say the name of God, Very few people (if anybody) know how his name was originally pronounced.

Last thing I heared, God's historic origins in this world were as a little known mountain god (before the fall of babylon, the Isrealites blieved that every god belonged to a specific place).

The following page offers more information if you would like it... http://www.pantheon.org/articles/y/yahweh.html

OO yea i strongly agree spike.But please fill me in about the mayan thing on 2012, and you said "I do believe that 2012 will be precisely 48 minutes before 2100" I Dont understand it lol. And i really like how you put it as a mountain. MAkes things really clear.

No problem. My thing I said about 2012 being 48 minutes before 2100 was just a play/pun on the 24 hour clock. lol

As for 2012, it's quite an extensive subject, and one that I'm no expert in.

However, the basics of it are simply that the Mayans had a calendar - see here - they were very very advanced astrologers, and based on what they saw in the skies they developed and used a complicated (yet incredibly simple) caledar that has prooved very very accurate, but for some reason abruptly ends at what we know (on astronomical calculation - so the date is indeed certain ) to abruptly end on the 21st December (the winter solstice) of 2012, which also coincides with the Maya prophesy of the end of the fourth (or fifth, I can't remember) civilisation.

There are many theoretical reasons for it, and astronomically, a quite sensible one is Here.

As for the mayan prophecies, it's rather like Nostrodamus in that people make assumptions which fit. Evidence does seem to show certain events throughout History to fit very very accurately (but not conclusively) though, and as such it's nowhere near as cryptic as nostrodamus. Basically, people have jumped at the maya calendar (which does suggest that the fourth age will end in some manner of catastrophy) to mean the end of the world. period.

See this page for a very indepth explanation/piece of research on the subject of maya prophecies (if written by someone most of us, including myself, may consider to be a little "out there".) One of 9 pages.

Personally, I do believe that there is some truth in the Mayan calendar in that respect, but I don't believe it's the end of the world. I believe it's a shift change in civilisation of some sort (and thus, it's the end of the world as we know it (Hey, REM could become uber popular again - that would be a catastrophy!!!). Incidentally, it coincides with the end of the Age of Pisces, and the start of the Age of Aquarius (which is also the end of the "church age, as cited by the link you posted).

I rather think that his whole 2011 thing is a bit of a misnomer and fraud really, as I suspect that what he's done is to take little bits and pieces of mythology, astrology, and history that he doesn't understand and com up with his very own "end of the world" theory based on them.

The world at the moment though is indeed going through VERY rapid changes of various kinds though, so really speaking, who knows? More to the point, why should it matter? There's not a lot any of us can do about it, and as it's all a bit of an unknown, we should all carry on being true to ourselves and take whatever might ever happen when it comes.

Wow , its kinda weird how the mayans had something to do with the end of the church age. But have you heard of the mega disasters that can hit NEW YORK? Wow thats really weird... :dead: