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AMAZING Computer Set-Up, LOW FPS??

By itzjc
Nov 19, 2006
  1. Hey.
    I have an odd issue I couldn't find support on (yahoo+google)
    I have a evry good set-up, but I am getting about 20-30 fps on Counter-Strike Source!
    I ran some 3D tests, and heres some fps results:
    Graphics 3D Simple: 115fps
    Graphics 3D Medium: 25.8
    Graphics 3D Complex: 6fps
    Please help me answer these questions:

    • Why am I getting low fps?
    • Does my RAM effect fps?
    • Does my Onboard Video card have something to do with it?
    I would appreciate any help, thanks.
    Heres my comp stats:
    Pent 4 3.8 ghz
    ATI Radeon 200 series 256mb Pci-Express ONBOARD video card (Newest drivers installed, vsync=off)
    512 RAM (448, since the onboard takes 64mb ram)
     
  2. itzjc

    itzjc TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Heres some more info on my comp just in case:
    Time of this report: 11/19/2006, 08:31:50
    Machine name: JC-HTMQHIFX2QJD
    Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp1.020828-1920)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: ATI___
    System Model: AWRDACPI
    BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
    Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.80GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.8GHz
    Memory: 446MB RAM
    Page File: 564MB used, 493MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
    DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0904 32bit Unicode
    ---------------
    Display Devices
    ---------------
    Card name: ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 Series
    Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Chip type: ATI Radeon Xpress Series (0x5A61)
    DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5A61&SUBSYS_D6008086&REV_00
    Display Memory: 256.0 MB
    Current Mode: 800 x 600 (32 bit) (100Hz)
    Monitor: Dell P991
    Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
    Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
    Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6635 (English)
    DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Date/Size: 8/22/2006 19:53:30, 260096 bytes
    WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
    VDD: n/a
    Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 8/22/2006 19:53:14, 1723904 bytes
    Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-1921-11CF-DDFA-0AF6A1C2CB35}
    Vendor ID: 0x1002
    Device ID: 0x5A61
    SubSys ID: 0xD6008086
    Revision ID: 0x0000
    Revision ID: 0x0000
    Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV8_B ModeWMV8_A ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
    Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
    {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
    {552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
    {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
    {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
    Registry: OK
     
  3. baddmr2

    baddmr2 TS Rookie Posts: 33

    Is your video acceleration set to the max? I assume so, but just something that popped in my mind to check. Are you sure you definetly have the MOST up to date and correct drivers for the card? You say its a pci-express card? But im confused about when you say about the ONBOARD card. If you want to see if you have the MOST UP TO DATE drivers for ALL of your hardware, go to www.driveragent.com and have it do a scan.

    just my $.02
     
  4. itzjc

    itzjc TS Rookie Topic Starter

    I did the scan
    Good Drivers (100%)
    Video acceleration? How do I find out if its to the max?
    I was looking around my CATALYST Control Center and I stumbled upon
    UMA FRAME BUFFER, SET TO 64MB WHEN I CAN SET IT TO 256MB
    Should I set it to 256mb?
    CAN THIS BE THE PROBLEM?


    Any other ideas, suggestions?
     
  5. agi_shi

    agi_shi TS Rookie Posts: 385

    First, you only have 512MB of ram (or, 448). Second, you have an onboard video card. On board video cards are simply chips put directly on the motherboard. They're meant for office stuff, not gaming. That's your problem.
     
  6. itzjc

    itzjc TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Yea, but its a PCI-EXPRESS Video Card with 256mb RAM... The video card itself should get me 100+fps in counter-strike source
    Is it just because of the fact that its ONBOARD it makes it crappy?
    If I get 1GB more of RAM, will it help? Or do I need a new video card?
     
  7. Supra

    Supra TS Enthusiast Posts: 190

    Which is it 64MB or 256MB onboard? Either way if its onboard its your problem. If the vga port is up by your usb and other ports then it is onboard and you need to buy an actual videocard to get better fps.
     
  8. itzjc

    itzjc TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Okay great, will do. Thank you so much for the help
    I'm going to buy the exact video card thats onboard, which would run me about 30$
    Ati Radeon x300 PCI-Express 256mb
    I hope that helps
     
  9. agi_shi

    agi_shi TS Rookie Posts: 385

    No no no man, not only is that video card on board, but it itself is crappy. Trust me, a X200 or X300 WILL NOT get you 120FPS in CS:Source. I suggest something like a X850XT if you want to be getting 100+FPS.
     
  10. Sharkfood

    Sharkfood TS Guru Posts: 1,019

    Most X300's use "Hypermemory" (except a few rare Asus models) so you'll be replacing with the same thing/same problem.. which is using your system memory and memory bus for video.

    Get something with dedicated, on-board memory ONLY (no Hypermemory). You have a wide selection of great performing, excellent videocards to choose from for PCI-Express.

    From there, it would also be a good idea to budget for 1 gig of ram. This helps many games and will also improve load times/windows boot times.
     
  11. wolfram

    wolfram TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,967   +9

    I agree with Agi_Shi. The X200 is a real slow integrated card. It doesn't matter if you have a 3.8 Ghz P4, that onboard card will BE the bottleneck.
    Onboard video cards are not meant for gaming, even if they "have" 256MB of RAM.

    And the X300 is a poor performer too. It's cheap, but it won't allow you to play CS:S above 100+ FPS :haha:

    A good, cheap card, would be a Geforce 6600, or a Radeon 9600 series. They should absolutely kill a X300 (especially the SE version)

    Regards :wave:
     
  12. MetalX

    MetalX TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,388

    The amount of memory a videocard has had nothing to do with it's performance. What matters is the amount of pixel pipelines and pixel shaders, the core clock and memory clock, and the memory bus. The X300 has very low specs in all those 5 areas meaning it's pretty terrible. You need a card with more pipelines and more pixel shaders and a faster core and memory clock to get 100+ FPS in CSS. Also, 512MB of RAM was considered "AMAZING" back in around 1997. I suggest you get a videocard like a 6600GT or a 7600GT or a X800GTO, and another 512 MB of RAM at least.
     
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