AMD 64 3000+ (939-pin) vs INTEL 3.0ghz (775-pin)

By NotALlama
Jun 23, 2005
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  1. raalvz

    raalvz Newcomer, in training

    Hi i am also thinking of buying an amd 64 3000+ or an pentium 4 3,0GHz
    ive read youre posts and i also think that the best thing for me to buy is the amd.
    But u are also saying the mobo mathers a great deal to, but my budget is rather low, but if it wil make such a difference i am willing to save a bit of money so i can buy it later on :)

    This is the mobo i am intending to buy:
    MSI K8T NEO FSR (S754)
    with:
    AMD 64 3000+ BOX S754 (Newcastle)

    The price of the AMD ATHLON 64 3000+ BOX S939 WINCHES or
    AMD ATHLON 64 3000+ BOX S939 VENICE isnt much higher but the price of the mobo is...
    so if u can tell me a few differences between the speeds and other things i hope to make my choice with the help of u guys :approve:
  2. Merc14

    Merc14 Newcomer, in training Posts: 464

    What exactly do you mean by "much higher" ? The 939 socket is worth a few extra $ as you can grow with that mobo for a few years. The 754 is a dead end expansion-wise. When and if you choose to upgrade your CPU the 939 will give you an incredible amount of options, up to and including a dual CPU if you desire. So go for the 939.
  3. raalvz

    raalvz Newcomer, in training

    Ok thnq for youre info.
    And i was searching on the website of a store in my neighborhood and i found 2 mobo's that will fit in my budget.
    mobo 1:ASROCK K8 COMBO-Z S754/S939
    mobo 2:ASUS A8V DELUXE AGP A/LAN/SATA-R/939
    I think that the asus has better quality because of the good name and everyone that i know with an asus mobo didnt talk bad about it, but on the other hand i've always had an asrock k7s5a with athlon xp 1800+ and never realy had any trouble with it.
    So actually the base of this post is what u would buy and why :confused:
    And if u can give me a bit info about the differnces between the s939 venice version and the winchester version.
  4. Merc14

    Merc14 Newcomer, in training Posts: 464

    They're both really good cores and use the 90nm dye size. Venice addressed some memory issues and is the latest build from AMD. I know the Winchester is a great O/Cer but not sure about the Venice (I would expect it O/Cs well too). I'd go for the Venice just because it is the latest technology and, like I said, addressed some of the memory controller issues.

    The Asus has more features and the A8V E Deluxe has a PCIe 16x slot for the newer video cards. Asrock is cheaper. Both use VIA chipsets.

    If you have the money get the Asus with a PCIe slot. That is the mobo you'll be able to grow with for a few years as it has the latest CPU socket and the new video card port. and a lot of features.

    As always, it comes down to money but the A8V E Deluxe, which will be able to utilize the latest technology for a few years, is the better long term investment. $50 extra dollars amortized over 5 years is only $10/year for a piece of gear that won't bottleneck your sytem when you want to upgrade 3 years from now. Get the best you can comfortably afford.
  5. nein

    nein Banned Posts: 226

    Don't buy ASROCK, they are junks. Even Intel chipset mobos made by ASROCK are POS.
    Asus is a good mobo supplier, even Asus can't perform miracles with VIA chipsets, they are one of the crappiest mobos Asus made. Though VIA chipset improved and benefit greatly through Asus expertise, they would still only be improved-upon junks. As long as there are *****s with no clue wanted VIA, Asus will supply them, however they are improved junks.

    But if you have to buy VIA, Asus made one of the best improved junks.
  6. Secondgunman

    Secondgunman Newcomer, in training Posts: 192

    I would...

    I would save a few extra dollors and get the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe as this is one of the best mobos for your money and willl keep you on the up and up for years to come AGP is dead and fewer systemboards have AGP PCIe is where to go and with the SLI on this board at a later date when money is there you can buy another vid card of the same make and modle and you can give yourself a gaming boost.

    I use alot of computers built with alot of motherboard brands and i like Asus the best as the build above code and use top end parts... you will not find a cheap IC or ROM chip in an Asus. Gatway in an effert to get a better system on the market is going to Asus for alot of their parts now. I have seen about 11 Gateway systems in the past year all new and with Asus Mobos... now if Asus could do something about spyware and and viruses I would be a poor man.

    I build my systems with Asus and have the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe in one system and the A8N-SLI Extream in a nother system, the Delux is the better board for you money and you can do so much with it.
  7. Secondgunman

    Secondgunman Newcomer, in training Posts: 192

    Lol

    Yes VIA can and normaly are junk but if you have to buy junk the go Asus I like the Asus NF4 chipped boards like the ones Merc14 and I have there is alot of thought put into these boards. :grinthumb
  8. raalvz

    raalvz Newcomer, in training

    hhmmm.... you say its a bit junky but what do you notice different then...
    because atm i have a athlon xp 1800+ , asrock 7s5a(or somethin like that) DDr 256 mb and a geforce 4 mx440 and it can't be much worse than this puke:
  9. Secondgunman

    Secondgunman Newcomer, in training Posts: 192

    They seem to run clean.

    THe NF4 Chips just seen to run clean it is hard to explain... you would have to see them side by side.
  10. JimShady23

    JimShady23 TechSpot Maniac Posts: 651

    Um

    Asus makes ASrock boards.......They are not meant to be performers but buget boards with buget features.....However they are extreamly stable and do perform quit well for the money one spends on them.....I use them primarily for office machines I build......Lets face it a 70 year old grandma dont need a Asus SLI NF4 board to surf the net, write letters and e-mail.......
  11. raalvz

    raalvz Newcomer, in training

    i think i will buy the Asus mobo and the venice amd 64 3000+ and 1024 mb ddr
    the purpose of this machine wil be to photoshop a little and gaming like hl2 and battlefield i know i have to buy a new vid card for these games so i wil buy the ati 9800pro later on...
    but for u that said you can buy newer s939 in the future with other boards may be right but i bought the amd xp 1800+ with the asrock mobo it was about 3 years ago so i dont think that wil work for me the investments
    But thank you all a great deal for sharing youre oppinions and knowledge :blush:
  12. Secondgunman

    Secondgunman Newcomer, in training Posts: 192

    Well...

    Well You learn something know everyday... Maybe I will start using them in my Low-end systems I build I have been using a $60.00 No-name board that a few computer shops and builders I know use in their cheap systems... I normaly like building with brand name and or devisions of theirs over generics... I will look into them and start testing on a system. :knock:
  13. raalvz

    raalvz Newcomer, in training

    i am annoying i know :eek:
    but this thread doesnt really say what the big differnces are between p4 3,0 and am64 3000+
    i am buying a new pc and i was convinced that the amd was better to go with but i think that why is a p4 3,0GHz and a 3000+ 1,8 ghz and the l2 cache is 512 vs 1024 isn't the p4 outmatching the amd 64.
    my purposes with the new pc is that i can play hl2 and battlefield and do a little bit photoshopping and video editing.
    So what cpu is really better a choice for me and will u explain why it is better because i have seeked trough a few forum's and i cant really find great answers and as for benchmarks the 1 bench says doom 3 amd is better and the other game its p4 so plz enlighten me :angel:
    THe mobo i really dont care so much about i only wanna know about the cpu's :confused:
     
  14. Secondgunman

    Secondgunman Newcomer, in training Posts: 192

    You can't go buy cashe either...

    You can't go but cashe either as AMD think diffrent then Intel, they are built diffrent and they even use RAM diffrently.

    The Bottom line is you look at it like this: what they do/what they cost.
    You look at it any other way you will brake your brain after that point it all depends on if you want to buy the chip that is the good one or if you want to buy the one built buy the coprate nazis that pay billions of dollors to system builders to keep AMD's market hold down, and is about to be fined Billions of dallors between about 11 countries. Intel made mo money last year calling a loss for the past four quorters. they are about to be fined and will have to dip into reseve cash funds just to pay their bills fines and staff. MAC mybe blocked from using Intel chips in their systems and Dell may be forced to supply AMD systems to their customers.

    But then again the whole case between AMD and Intel has just started and Police are still not even sure if they have everything they need from intel to conduct their investagations then there is court time and all that it maybe years before they even see a vertic. OH! and don't forget all the hearsay; I was told that intel in is trouble in 11 Countries, 7 in the EU, Canada, the U.S. and Japan I only count 10...

    Either way I would look at AMD because;
    (1) They go under and then Intel holds the market and will do what Megasloth does, Build a very-poor pile of cow scat and overcharge for it, knowing you will pay what ever they sell it at because you have no choice.
    (2) AMD is the better CPU no-matter what Intel says.
    (3) AMD systems up grade better as the Memory Controler is on the CPU not the motherboard this in it's self is why EVEN some hardcore Intel Trols are using AMD at this time. The MC being one the chip and not the board means that when you upgrade your CPU you upgrade the new CPU's bottleneck and the old MC on an Intel bottlenecks the CPU.
    (4) The AMD 939 and 940 pin sockets are better for gaming, MP3/DVD/DIVX playing and coding, word prossesing, CAD/CGI and internet use, then Intel.

    #4 is why alot of new movie's CGI are being doen with AMD and not Slap-n'-toss or Intel PCs.
  15. Secondgunman

    Secondgunman Newcomer, in training Posts: 192

    AMD are less...

    AMD are less and upgrade better besides Intel is going to takes a massive drop in the market place over the next few years that is why they are scraping to get MAC to use their CPUs and AMD is the CPU now being used in CAD and CGI and most of the encoding out there because it is getting better (SMASHING INTEL INTO THE GROUND).

    I would go with a 939 Socket not 754 But as far and MSI goes they are good I use MSI and Asus hardware in all the systems I build.

    I would not give Intel my money for three major reasons:
    (1) They are piss poor and droping every time I tern around.
    (2) They are having their pants sued off them for all kinds of stuff in like 11 Contries and growing.
    (3) Cost / Preformance AMD wins hands down. :knock:
  16. nein

    nein Banned Posts: 226

    No, Intel's P4s have inferior cache designs than AMD, the very reason P4s usually required twice larger physical cache than AMD's designs to be almost as equally efficient.
    A good picture is worth more than a thousand words... But only if the readers knew, comprehend, and capable of recognizing it... Here are some from TechReport below. <--- CLICK FOR THE ARTICLE. The bottom 2 pics in that page are all you actually need as the final total summation of the whole article.

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  17. Secondgunman

    Secondgunman Newcomer, in training Posts: 192

    Ah...

    All Editing and coding software from Microsoft as all Microsoft sotware is optimized for AMD as Micorsoft, linux and Unix have all told Intell to "Take off eh". :grinthumb
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