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AMD or Intel

By Secondgunman
Mar 10, 2005
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  1. I have a home network of 5 computers a P4, P3, Celiron, AMD Duron 800 Mhz and an Athlon 64 3500+ 90mn. As I am on meny forums I read alot about computers and find it funny that people are allways going head to head over this hands down my AMD Rigs out run my Intel. there are things my Duron will do better then my P4! Don't get me wrong Intel is a little better when coding, but I have found the AMD build better over all when looking at; cost, temp, what they do how fast they do it devided by clock speed. Some people say AMD run hotter then Intel... Well core temp of my 3500 at this time is 57 F aloot cooler then my P4 that is at an even 40c (100 F)... the system will not read in F degrees because the mobo on my P4 is built in and for Canada/UK. Aside from a 43% jump in temp I personly do not want to spend $100.oo to $1500.oo on something I have to add a larger fan to keep cool.

    P.S. the P4 and 3500 are in case the same size and all the fans are the same down to the models the heat sinks are the same build one for the AMD the other for Intel and both computers have the same speed harddrives... you would think that the AMD would be hotter with the 2 Extream n6800 Ultras in it having 1.14 Ghz each of GPU speed to work with. You know; I look at buying a computer as long as I can, normaly the day after I buy a computer is am keeping notes on what CPU and parts I will use in my next Rig,it is hardly ever these parts but I know the flaws and strong points of everything I own eg. down side to my 3500 if I run Norton on the system it must be 2005 or better.
  2. N8theGr8

    N8theGr8 TS Rookie Posts: 33

    yeah i've been going through the same debate in my head too. this summer im planning on building my first pc, and at first i just assumed i would do a P4, but now im swayed into AMD-land. i guess what it would come down to would be this:

    ease of construction: as this will be my first build and would like the cpu install to be as pain-free as possible

    computer usage: this will be a computer primarily for memory intensive apps (music progs) and day to day multitasking, with occasional gaming on the side

    upgradeability: not as important as the first two, but it would be nice to know that a year or so down the road i could upgrade the chip and get a good boost.

    any thoughts?
  3. Vigilante

    Vigilante TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,120

    I've always been partial to AMD.

    One simple reason is that they are Intels only competition. If we don't support them, AMD goes out of business, Intel and M$ partner and completely monopolize the PC industry. Then They partner with Dell, the 3 of them giving each other huge discounts, creating super cheap PCs, which then sell like mad, causing manufacturers to partner as well to get in on the action. This puts the little guys out of business. But nobody cares anymore because PCs are so cheap. Customer builders get the boot because they'll have to pay premium prices to get the OS and CPUs.
    Then the world just blows up :)

    But when it comes down to it. For price and gaming and everyday stuff, go for AMD. When people are programming, doing video and audio mastering and compression (basically super intense calculation stuff), go for Intel.

    On the 64bit side, I would ONLY do AMD right now. Because Intels 64bit were actually SLOWER on 32bit OS then their 32bit CPUs. But AMDs kicked **** on 32bit right from the start.

    Anways, my two cents.
  4. pizzada

    pizzada TS Rookie Posts: 108

    well, N8..I would agree with what Vigilant said...'specially the part about the world 'just blowing up'. :D

    I just built my first PC from scratch...and I knew next to nothing before coming to TechSpot.

    I went with AMD all the way. The performance/price ratio was better, for my case.

    If you got Intel you probably wont have much regret, but the AMD Athlon64 3000 that I ended up getting does everything I expected, and more..(heavy multi-tasking, some gaming..) BTW, the video-card plays the bigger role when it comes to most games, anyway...regardless of Intel or AMD...and Im not saying the brand isn't a factor....just that it's not really the factor.

    Now, I dont have a fast Intel chip, so I can't speak to that, but I can say that the Athlon64 I got is awesome...no regrets...very fast. (I'm coming off a 1.1 gig Celereon, so factor that in)

    And I think, should you go with AMD, that an Athlon64-with socket 939 is the way to go. It will be upgradable in a year or two(or more, perhaps)...and it will handle the new 64bit Windows when/if it comes out en masse. And the chip price is very low (relatively speaking). The 939 socket is important, the other sockets are being 'phased out', but the 939 is just coming into it's own, and I believe that all 939's have DUAL Channel built in(which speeds up the memory ability).



    Easy to build, (as a 'newb', it took me about 1 hour, with a little help)

    I got the Chaintech S1689 for $70--works great...and the Athlon64 for $150, incuding heatsink&fan.
    It was like stepping thru a time-warp for me, when I powered it up :D

    And a lot of great help from the TechSpot folks...keep askin 'em questions...they keep giving answers,...(and they don't even make you pay hehe...)
  5. AtK SpAdE

    AtK SpAdE TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,846

    If i only.....

    Yea i have a p4 and every day i wish i had invested in a AMD. I have always owned a Intel..all the way back to my old 66MHz pentium 1. I even have some of my college money invested in Intel Stock But my p4 runs hot, is slower, and cost more then a comparable AMD. So i must agree with you...

    Sean

    Like everyone here this is just what i think. So to all my Intel buddies dont send threating emails to egg my house.
  6. N8theGr8

    N8theGr8 TS Rookie Posts: 33

    heyy thanks for the help guys. yeah im really stuck in a pickle about which to choose. comparing prices, for 145 on newegg you can get an AMD A64 3000+, vs a 2.66ghz P4 prescott. i'd rather have a processor strong in audio/video capabilities (intel), but does this speed and temp. difference make up for that?


    also another rumor i read...that amd's are not as longlasting, any truth to that? i would imagine that the intels running hot would hurt their life more..oh well.
  7. ripken204

    ripken204 TS Rookie Posts: 315

    well the 3000 will kill the 2.66
  8. AtK SpAdE

    AtK SpAdE TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,846

    Yea even with a 2.66 p4 and AMD 3000 the AMD would win hands down, even with the audio/video coding advantages from the p4 i would go with the 3000+

    Sean

    P.S. kill the p4?!?!? how dare you say that... be nice to my intel
  9. zephead

    zephead TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,483

    im a bit surprised to hear some of these things. amd's products excel in certain gaming applications, but the prescott has generally better performance. a lot of people bash intel, but they don't realize that intel is primarily responsible for the existence of the x86 architecture. all non-intel x86 compatible cpus borrow heavily from intel's designs and instruction sets.
  10. N8theGr8

    N8theGr8 TS Rookie Posts: 33

    yeah thats what i figured, the difference in speed would counter the prospective cpu's specialities. i gotta say im a bit nervous with amd, i had a custom computer built years ago, 1.2ghz athlon, and it froze up a crapload..had to send it back :-( i ran a search on google, how to install amd A64...and i got tons of results of people that had problems..little scary. but the reviews of the cpu itself are quite favorable. is there anything special that needs to be done because its 64bit rather than 32 bit? or is it just a preparation for the future? does it pose any problems for today?
  11. tbrunt3

    tbrunt3 TS Rookie Posts: 495

    Well I have to say AMD I run a Batron right now never had any problems and this is really stable running at 2.10 Mhz it will play any game and do what I want it to do.Intel have there good points too AMD know for gamming and Intel more for multitasking .. I believe we has this talk here already the ins and outs of both But the big point here is was not for AMD we all be paying over 2000$ for a 2 gig CPU.. It was AMD that brought prices down that is why they say more bang for the buck..

    I personally Like AMD better been using them for a long time now..
     
  12. Tarkus

    Tarkus TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 837

    I used to be a Intel only type person back in the P3 days. When P4 first came out I went with AMD and am glad I did. At times Intel has out performed AMD but usually not for long. For a hobbiest AMD is great because of the overclocking abilities of the chip. Not only can you do a FSB OC, but (with the right chips) you can also use in the CPU multiplier to raise FSB, by lowering the multiplier to get the MB as fast as possible, without the CPU being pushed too far. The faster the MB is clocked the greater the memory bandwidth. The AMD64 looks to be a pretty competent chip. It's much cooler than the Intel Prescotts, and runs circles around them. I'll be going to AMD64 939 pin....as soon as my wife gives me back my credit card! :haha:

    Don't fear AMD. IT's a good CPU by any standards. As far as not lasting as long, BS. I've had my CPU OC'd from 1833Mhz to 2620Mhz (43% OC), running 100% load, 24/7, for over a year, without a problem. I've got all voltages maxed out too. They don't wear out early!
  13. N8theGr8

    N8theGr8 TS Rookie Posts: 33

    awesome! thanks a lot. if AMD still has its prices lower than intel in july, im going AMD. those socket 939 boards are pricier though! hopefully they'll drop by july.

    quick OS question...i have an XP pro cd from another comp in my house...does microsoft have any crazy spyware or copyright protection? i honestly dont think i should have to spend the money on XP..AGAIN...but if theres protection i guess ill do it..

    ps: im not quite as knowledgable with pcs these days, ive been in mac-land for several years :D its really quite nice, ive got a powerbook, and i figure a mac laptop and a pc desktop, killer combo! just taking me a bit of time to get into the swing of things, new CPU's..sockets, etc. ive always wanted to build a computer ever since 98/99...just never had the courage to do it.
  14. cerpher

    cerpher TS Rookie

    Amd

    AMD is cheaper, faster, and able to overclock. Need I say more.
    Well yes the FX is way too much.
  15. pizzada

    pizzada TS Rookie Posts: 108

    Hey N8..This socket 939 is the cheapest I could find at Newegg.com, in fact this is the board that I got: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-152-052&depa=1

    It works great for me, was easy to set up, though the manual could've been a little bit better, it had all the necessary stuff in it.

    Also, it has dropped in price already once, and the other 939 boards have been dropping steadily in the past few weeks, even as much as $30-40 in just a few weeks.
    On top of that, the Athlon64 3000+ has dropped a bit in that time, too...this is the one good thing about the constant parade of new technology...prices have to drop.

    Whatever you do, make sure to get the socket 939 if you go Athlon64....it comes in socket 754, which is being phased out.

    As far as your WIndows copy, I believe that you can get an extra license for less than full cost ,,, go to Microsoft.com: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.mspx ...also,someone in this forum will know better than I.

    You also have an option to 'transfer' your copy to a new PC, and there are some restrictions on that, as well, but that can be done for free.
  16. AtK SpAdE

    AtK SpAdE TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,846

    Yea i cant belive i said that

    In response to Zephead yea i have a prescott, and i must of been really tired when i wrote that. I cant belive that i recomended a AMD. I am a loyal intel fan and i will never buy one. But for his needs i think a Athlon would be best

    Sean
  17. zephead

    zephead TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,483

    amd has a lower clock speed and intel's processors have generally higher performance. amd has comparitively recently gained the ability to successfully overclock. you think pre k-7 amd products were good? and lately hot amd processors have begun to cost quite a bit (excluding fx- series)
  18. Vigilante

    Vigilante TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,120

    I wouldn't compare AMD and Intel as a "who's better" comparison. They both have strengths and weaknesses.

    While Intel does pioneer a lot of things, so has AMD. AMD has their own instruction sets and so forth. AMD does a much better job of continuing to provide faster and faster chips on the same socket then Intel does. Seems like every 500mhz Intel has a new socket. While AMD held on to Socket 7 forever and held on to Socket A for the longest time. While Intel has like what? 10 sockets? I like AMD because I know they'll continue to make chips for current sockets. While, for example, the socket 754 came out and is already being phased out. You don't usually get that from AMD.

    I'm not saying that should be the only issue to pick a CPU. But looking to future upgrades, AMD has been more stable at providing faster chips with your current motherboard.
    I wouldn't worry about overheating to much. I'm sure AMDs technicians have ran a million tests to make sure their stock heatsink/fan keeps it running. Though with todays huge hard drives and monstrous video cards that seem to be growing back into the same size they were in the ISA days; I would hope you add a few more fans to your case. And ANY serious gamer would replace a stock heatsink/fan anyway, from either company.

    We've only built a handful of 64 bit PCs, both Intel and AMD. I must say we had more trouble with Intel. Only in that, with the new CPU, new motherboard, you ALSO need new RAM and new video, if it's PCI-X. We found that out the hard way.
    But go AMD, they continue to provide solutions for todays stuff.
    And of course there are some exceptions to these thoughts, but oh well.
    Throw your eggs!
  19. heymrdj

    heymrdj TS Rookie

    A few Words

    Just a few words. INTEL ROCKS ALLL!! :knock: Intel :hotouch: AMD in all ways to me. And intel is releasing a 64Bit processors this year which will of course smoke AMD again. Intel's are just always better. I built my own computer and its got a 2.8GHz P4 with 512MB PC3200 Ram and it totally kicked an HP with a AMD64 so called 3200+ (more like -) with 1024MB of PC3200 Ram. Intel=better.
  20. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,195

    Really, intel beats amd all the time?
    Check this out.
    Amd beating the tar out of Intel


    Beating even worse


    Oh, and some more beating.

    Man, Amd beat Intel multiple times, but amd is "always" beaten by intel.

    Your intel based computer beating a hp amd system doesn't prove that intel is better. More likely it proves that building your own pc results in faster computers than the oem's make. You probably used a quality motherboard, whereas hp probably uses some junk cheap brand with lower performance.
  21. N8theGr8

    N8theGr8 TS Rookie Posts: 33

    haha man this is almost as vicious as a PC vs. Apple argument! i take no sides with that debate and im not really sided either way on this one, im just gonna go with the best bang i can get for my buck (and dependable future upgradeability is nice), and it seems in this scenario amd is most suitable.
  22. PreservedSwine

    PreservedSwine TS Rookie Posts: 375

    In gaming, AMD is quite strong...
    But not everyone use their computers as video game consoles...

    Take business and video-editing software benchies, and compare.

    There's room for both companies, and virtually no reason to bash one and praise the other. They both want your money equally :)
  23. JimShady23

    JimShady23 TS Maniac Posts: 651

    Better or worse ? Pride maybe ?

    Basically it comes down to a matter of what I have is better than what you have. My Mustang is faster than your Firebird, my girlfriend has nicer boobs than yours. Why do we do it ? Its human nature to excell and be better than the next guy. I dont care if its computers or collecting rocks you will always in most cases have more pride in what you have than what the next guy has better, worse or a fricken carbon copy. I can get 15 higher fps in doom 3 with my XP 3200+ than my friend with a P4 3.2.using the same GPU But he can convert a 60 minute mpeg into a vcd 15 minutes less than I can. But we come about neck and neck with standard computing. Does he get pissed when i can frag him just a hair easier ? Sure. Do I get pissed when I am late for a hot date and have to wait an extra 15 minutes to convert freshly newsgrouped porn into a vcd to bring with and watch at her house? Sure.

    Basically You take the good with the bad. Each CPU has its ups and downs, you need to take those ups and downs into concideration before you choose a CPU platform to build around.

    As for the dipsh-- that posted the reply about his intel beating a 3500+ HP system. I think that my XP 3200 system would not have a problem beating it.
    Im also pretty sure that the HP would have a $50 motherboard with integrated 64 meg or a low end AGP card. Do not use OEM manufactures as a base of any comparison when it comes to a platform. They are crap and made not to perform and last long for good reason HP, DELL, E-Machine are all in buisness soly on the idea of selling computers, do you really think they are going to sell you somehing that is gonna last years on end ? No they want to continue their revenue by selling you another pc as soon as possible. If that means selling you somthing that is doggy and will not operate new programs in a year or 2 they are gonna do it. If it means selling you a system enclosed in a heavy thick steel case wit poor air movment so componants die quicker. They are gonna do it.......And they do everday.

    But yeah read a few reviews before you go and choose your new platform and remember that there are more benchmarks out there than just gamming.
    Id hate to say it but gamming isnt what everyone buys a pc for.

    Basically why I chose AMD over Intel is because I game. It really dont bother me that it takes 15 minutes more to encode a video ( if the ***** wants me to come over that bad she can wait another 15, gives me time to run to the store and find some triple layer condoms.) Next is cost. AMD offers a high end CPU at an affordable price. With good reason. When was the last time you seen an AMD commercial with some blue dudes that dont say a fricken word running around like they just took some bad acid ? Never....Intel on the other hand is a media giant. I dont watch a whole lot of TV but when I do I hear that bummm bum bumm sound or see the Intel logo atleat once. And that is reflected in the price of Intel products.

    My $.02
  24. BringinHeat

    BringinHeat TS Rookie Posts: 171

    Jimshady23 you hit the nail rite on the head a very insightful post there. I currently have an intel processor (because i got a really good deal on it) but i do realize that for gaming AMD is better. I myself am a gamer so if i had my pick i would go with an AMD. But for rite now i have a 6800 GT video card and most of my games run at 80+ frames per sec so i personally will not see any video performance difference if i run an AMD or Intel processor unless i run some benchmarks or FRAPS. So when i am ready to make a new computer i will sit down and look at the new benchmarks for dual core or single core and see which company's processors suits my needs and make my decision from there. A person should be unbiased and processor purchase should be based on the needs of an individual and not by "Lets not feed the monopoly" theories or Intel's marketing campaigns. :)
  25. heymrdj

    heymrdj TS Rookie

    Nice posts

    I agree with you guys. Intels are best for video and amd are a little better for gaming. I myself do alot of editing of game videos for online and for nice little DVD's to show off :giddy: As for Jimshady (what a pitiful pulloff of Slim Shady) whats the dip************** remark about. I mean cmon man can't ya have a decent conversation without throwin punches below the belt. You can use better language than cursing you know. Anyways i that HP had an ATI Radeon X300. Much better than my NVidia MX440 8x. Anyways i beat that HP handsdown on video editing. As for games i don't know(won't let me load a agme on their machine :haha: ). Amd is fine but i myself am set with Intel for their high quality (especially durability as i'm still using my 7 year old 350MHZ PII in a storage and web server) and for innovation such as their new high speed 64bits and dual core (i realise that amd too is coming with a dual core). Baseline get what your comfortable with and do your research on what your gonna do.
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