AMD Radeon RX 480 Review: Performance for the masses

[HardReset]

Sorry that's just wrong. Nvidia released a new product - the GTX 1080 - that was 25-35% faster than the old product - 980 Ti - at the same price point - $50 cheaper to be honest - less than a year later.

It had nothing to do with future proofing or missing features. You're going to need to try harder than that.

Lack of features mean that GTX 980 Ti is not getting better in the future.

And Nvidia launching GTX 1080 at that price point made GTX 980 Ti obsolete.

Both things mean GTX 980 Ti was not future proof.

Every time Techspot review an AMD GPU the same pack of AMD fanboys come in and argue up and down the wall to protect their little precious AMD cards. It's soooo funny and pathetic, every time.

And Nvidia fanboys arrive on AMD thread to say something about power consumption...

 

[NightAntilli]

No, their not.
Talking about DX12 perks and some other specific strengths AMD has does nothing to bolster any argument. Overall its not even close, Nvidia's tech is smoother, more efficient and more powerful.
DX12 is in its infancy, in a year both companies will have much better DX12 performance.

Maybe because they are losing customers, company credit and are fighting for their lives to stay afloat?
It's tough to sell a GPU that runs so hot from the factory it needs liquid and has little to no overclock headroom.

If that's all you got after all I posted, I think we're done here. Your perspective won't change a bit despite the obvious facts in your face so, goodbye.

 

[OcelotRex]

Lack of features mean that GTX 980 Ti is not getting better in the future.

And Nvidia launching GTX 1080 at that price point made GTX 980 Ti obsolete.

Both things mean GTX 980 Ti was not future proof.



And Nvidia fanboys arrive on AMD thread to say something about power consumption...

OK let's skip the part where I remind you that logically your argument makes no sense, has nothing to do with reality, and then you triple down to rehash your (wrong) opinion again.

Name me some AMD cards that perform better in the future...

 

[HardReset]

If that's all you got after all I posted, I think we're done here. Your perspective won't change a bit despite the obvious facts in your face so, goodbye.

Not surprising that these Nvidia fanboys know nothing, they just read results and think they know something.

OK let's skip the part where I remind you that logically your argument makes no sense, has nothing to do with reality, and then you triple down to rehash your (wrong) opinion again.

Name me some AMD cards that perform better in the future...

All AMD cards using GCN architecture.

 

[OcelotRex]

All AMD cards using GCN architecture.

Having more features/support does not equal performing better. You're spouting AMD marketing as fact. Pardon the pun but I need discrete examples of better performance in the future.

 

[HardReset]

Having more features/support does not equal performing better. You're spouting AMD marketing as fact. Pardon the pun but I need discrete examples of better performance in the future.

DX12 has already proven to be much more effective than DX11 on AMD cards. So...

 

[NightAntilli]

OK let's skip the part where I remind you that logically your argument makes no sense, has nothing to do with reality, and then you triple down to rehash your (wrong) opinion again.

Name me some AMD cards that perform better in the future...

So glad you asked...
http://www.overclock.net/image/id/12193108

 

[OcelotRex]

DX12 has already proven to be much more effective than DX11 on AMD cards. So...

That's interesting - which games and what hardware? Discrete means individually separate and distinct not generalizations.

 

[OcelotRex]

So glad you asked...
http://www.overclock.net/image/id/12193108

Your bias leads you to believe that's due to AMD's superiority. In fact that chart (which I cannot find referenced to anything other than fake reddit sites) is displaying AMD's poor driver optimization.

ETA: That chart refers to nothing more than a bunch of numbers. Give me 10 minutes and I can have another chart that shows the opposite, I just need to make it. How about the accompanying article please?

 

[amstech]

If that's all you got after all I posted, I think we're done here. Your perspective won't change a bit despite the obvious facts in your face so, goodbye.

Did he just say obvious facts?
AHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I am loving this, they think their educated its so comical.

 

[cliffordcooley]

https://www.techspot.com/community/...-overdrawing-power-from-the-pcie-slot.228098/

That's enough not to consider the 480 right there.

 

[LNCPapa]

Yeah, that $240 quote he gave was pretty low. I see them on sale for around $260 at the least and that's in limited quantities and with a mail-in-rebate. It's not like Nvidia has infinite stock of those cards too. A year from now the RX 480 will still sell first hand retail, the 970 will not.

Here's one for $250 after rebate from Newegg - though I never send in for my rebates
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121926&cm_re=GTX_970-_-14-121-926-_-Product

Also, this thread is getting pretty messy. How about we agree to disagree on these things? There will always be people who form loyalties to one side or another for no clear reason (to people outside of that group) - but it happens. Just keep that in mind and let's keep it moving.

 

[dividebyzero]

How about putting same figure on DX12 performance per watt? Nobody cares about DX11 performance any more.

And how many DX12 titles are there? and more importantly, how many DX12 titles actually work. If you think DX11 is going away in a hurry, you're deluding yourself

Because if one buys a card they would to play Ashes and only that on it right?

Hey, don't knock it! There's a reason AotS is such an important game...almost 200 people worldwide are playing it

Seriously everyone, @HardReset does this on every single Graphics Card Review since he joined Techspot.

Aye. The guys life revolves around threadcrapping. For me he's less of an irritation than an object of pity. Anyone who is so determined to show himself up as a saddo obviously has literally nothing else in their life if being a troll is the highlight of their existence.

According to "reliable" sources, RX 480 availability is 25 times better than GTX 1080's:
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-shipments-hit-us-stores/

Quotes the laughable wtftech as a reliable source...

How about putting some reliable sources next time?
Sources: BenLife.info, VideoCardz
Sounds VERY reliable sources to me "(y)".

...dismisses VideoCardz as unreliable source.

 

[HardReset]

That's interesting - which games and what hardware? Discrete means individually separate and distinct not generalizations.

Rise of tomb raider and Hitman for start.

https://www.techspot.com/community/...-overdrawing-power-from-the-pcie-slot.228098/

That's enough not to consider the 480 right there.

That problem is only on few cards, so no major problem.

 

[amstech]

Async shaders! Current and Future DX12 Performance! Credible sources! Copy and pasting!
Cmon everyone aren't you listening?
Stop arguing with me or I am going to tell my mommy!
I just got back from the future with Marty and his Delorean and in July 2017 AMD has the best DX12 performance!
AMD is god!

 

[Puiu]

Why are people trying to downplay the importance of async shaders? it is already known that the majority of DX12 games will use them in one way or another (so will VR games).

Async shaders! Current and Future DX12 Performance! Credible sources! Copy and pasting!
Cmon everyone aren't you listening?
Stop arguing with me or I am going to tell my mommy!
I just got back from the future with Marty and his Delorean and in July 2017 AMD has the best DX12 performance!
AMD is god!

the performance of async shaders has been proven. if all you can do is post troll comments then all you do is embarrass yourself and all nvidia fanboys.

 

[HardReset]

And how many DX12 titles are there? and more importantly, how many DX12 titles actually work. If you think DX11 is going away in a hurry, you're deluding yourself

DX11 is not going away but DX12 will be more widespread.

Aye. The guys life revolves around threadcrapping. For me he's less of an irritation than an object of pity. Anyone who is so determined to show himself up as a saddo obviously has literally nothing else in their life if being a troll is the highlight of their existence.

Usually when fanboy has nothing to say he claims opposite is troll.

Proven right again.

Quotes the laughable wtftech as a reliable source...

...dismisses VideoCardz as unreliable source.

Reliable and "reliable" are two different things. Stop bashing your face and read more carefully next time.

 

[amstech]

the performance of async shaders has been proven. if all you can do is post troll comments then all you do is embarrass yourself and all nvidia fanboys.

Congrats to AMD for having a feature thats important and works.
Nvidia has been the leader in the category about 100 times, and now that AMD does it, their the best!
Thats called BIAS.
The only people trolling are the SAME people that give Steve the SAME sh!t on every AMD review because the GPU"s arent that great and AMD fans get butthurt.
Thats the only truth here, I just like making fun of them.
I don't care what you or any other AMD fanboy/troll in this thread thinks, your fools and its getting annoying. Stop trashing techspots reviewers and posters with your whiny posts full of complaints and arguments.
The 480 is ok, not great, not bad.
Thats all Steve was saying and all you do is whine like little girls, then when people argue you spout some random facts and call them trolls.
The trolls are QUITE obvious.

 

[HardReset]

I don't care what you or any other AMD fanboy/troll in this thread thinks, your fools and its getting annoying. Stop trashing techspots reviewers and posters with your whiny posts full of complaints and arguments.

Typical Nvidia fanboy trolls like you should GTFO.

 

[amstech]

Typical Nvidia fanboy trolls like you should GTFO.

Didn't like that one did ya? Hahaha. (y)

 

[OcelotRex]

Rise of tomb raider and Hitman for start.

Sorry but where are you getting that from? Tweaktown (via extremetech) reports that Rise is a "major Nvidia win."

Of the four DirectX 12 games currently in-market, Ashes and Hitman are wins for AMD and show a marked advantage in that API. Rise of the Tomb Raider, on the other hand, is a major Nvidia win. Benchmarks performed in that title show that AMD still lags Nvidia, even when testing in DX12 and even at 4K.

That's the issue with speaking in absolutes - it takes one example to disprove your point.

 

[Puiu]

Congrats to AMD for having a feature thats important and works.
Nvidia has been the leader in the category about 100 times, and now that AMD does it, their the best!
Thats called BIAS.
The only people trolling are the SAME people that give Steve the SAME sh!t on every AMD review because the GPU"s arent that great and AMD fans get butthurt.
Thats the only truth here, I just like making fun of them.
I don't care what you or any other AMD fanboy/troll in this thread thinks, your fools and its getting annoying. Stop trashing techspots reviewers and posters with your whiny posts full of complaints and arguments.

Async shaders are not an AMD "invention". It's just something that AMD invested early on because they foresaw the need of hardware support for such a feature (and boy they were right). You are forgetting that this needs DX12 or Vulkan to work and Nvidia can also do it at a driver level.
If you can't find a good counter-argument then it's best to just not talk at all.

Edit: the review done here by Steve is really good. One of the best I've seen for the RX480.

 

[dividebyzero]

That problem is only on few cards, so no major problem.

And how do you know that? Because some AMD PR flack says so?
The vast majority of reviews use power draw at the wall for their power consumption figures,
EVERY site that that measures power draw on a per rail basis is reporting that their RX 480 samples are in violation of the PCI-E slot specification, The only reason that it hasn't been more widely reported is because most sites don't/can't invest in the equipment for detailed testing.

Bury your head in the sand, and keep spouting the AMD company line, but consumer RX 480's are already frying motherboards

 

[amstech]

If you can't find a good counter-argument then it's best to just not talk at all.

What argument is there to have, AMD's GPU's are running a new tech well and thats good.
Is it impressive? Sure, a little.
Does it put them ahead? No. Not even close.
Will this all change within the next 12 months? Your damn right.
Is it worth bitching, arguing and trolling a review over? No.

Here is an old presentation about CUDA from 2008 that discusses asynch compute in depth - slide 52 goes more into parallelism: http://www.slideshare.net/angelamm2012/nvidia-cuda-tutorialnondaapr08And that was ancient Fermi architecture. There are now 32 warps (1+31) in Maxwell. Of particular note is how they mention running multiple kernels simultaneously, which is exactly what this little benchmark tests.

Take advantage of asynchronous kernel launches by overlapping CPU computations with kernel executions

Async compute has been a feature of CUDA/nVidia GPUs since Fermi.https://www.pgroup.com/lit/articles/insider/v2n1a5.htm

NVIDIA GPUs are programmed as a sequence of kernels. Typically, each kernel completes execution before the next kernel begins, with an implicit barrier synchronization between kernels. Kepler has support for multiple, independent kernels to execute simultaneously, but many kernels are large enough to fill the entire machine. As mentioned, the multiprocessors execute in parallel, asynchronously.

That's the very definition of async compute.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/3j5e9b/analysis_async_compute_is_it_true_nvidia_cant_do

Not sure how much of this is true but one thing is for sure, Nvidia will be just fine.
One way or another they will figure it out.

 

[meric]

Bury your head in the sand, and keep spouting the AMD company line, but consumer RX 480's are already frying motherboards

Even a GTX 750ti surpasses that 75w limit of PCI-X slot (make a web search). In fact some tests in tom's hardware demonstrated that GTX 960s also go up to 140w (spikes) from mobo slot. Right now I also saw some incidents about RX480 shared over the net but I believe this needs further investigations before drawing an absolute conclusion

https://md.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qtrvd/polaris_power_problems_or_pci_exaggeration/