Here's what you're not getting - there is a review embargo right now. Any specs/benchmarks/etc that are coming out are so at the discretion of AMD or are being leaked without AMD's permission. It's normal to assume if they're controlling the information that this will put their new product in the best light.When I read some of the comments, I wonder if some of you guys read the same article as me...
Already questionning the perfs of thoses CPUs... *read the damn text*! And google a few videos of Ryzen benchmarks, which are *not* AMDs, but Cinebench or other third party...
Same or better than Intel for less than half the price? Heck, that alone is a fantastic feat from AMD, and probably has Intel scratching their heads a little here...
Here's what you're not getting - there is a review embargo right now. Any specs/benchmarks/etc that are coming out are so at the discretion of AMD or are being leaked without AMD's permission. It's normal to assume if they're controlling the information that this will put their new product in the best light.
Cautious optimism would be warranted here until the embargo lifts.
I wasn't alleging cheating. I am saying that the current benchmarks are the most favorable. Until the embargo is lifted there cannot be a clear, total picture of performance hence the caution.No need for any optimism. It's 100% sure that some sites will replicate tests made by AMD and if it becomes evident AMD cheated, sh*tstorm is just not worth it.
I wasn't alleging cheating. I am saying that the current benchmarks are the most favorable. Until the embargo is lifted there cannot be a clear, total picture of performance hence the caution.
Again you're not understanding what I am saying: AMD is controlling the information that is coming out and not allowing independent reviews until the embargo is lifted. In that respect my point is entirely valid.
Handbrake, Cinebench, Passmark, Blender etc. have traditionally been LEAST favorable for AMD. Leaving out AVX2 optimized software (very rare), I cannot figure out worse benchmarks for AMD to show. So your point is simply not valid.
Again you're not understanding what I am saying: AMD is controlling the information that is coming out and not allowing independent reviews until the embargo is lifted. In that respect my point is entirely valid.
I am not saying that AMD's new processors won't perform better across the board but one must ask if they do why not release all the benchmarks or lift the embargo?
Okay let's play this game - you don't have the hardware so your supposed point is purely speculative and biased. You have no idea how these processors perform in the benchmarks versus other benchmarks or real-word performance.You were suggesting AMD was cherry picking benchmarks, I.e. picking most favourable benchmarks. As I already pointed out, for cherry picking (leaving AVX2 heavy software out) AMD has made almost worst possible choices (Cinebench, Blender, Handbrake all have favoured Intel heavily).
From that comment I am not sure english is your first language so I will try and spell it out for you - if the claims being made in this thread were true (a "total win" over Intel at 50% of the cost) then there'd be no need for an embargo or selective benchmarking (again in threaded workloads where AMD has been "more competitive"). AMD could just "drop the hammer" on Intel, much like Sony did with their "This is How You Share Games" advert.Release what benchmarks? AMD knows many people (like you) will anyway wait for hardware site reviews for "more reliable" and "more comprehensive" etc. benchmarks so there is no point publishing much more benchmarks than already shown. Lifting embargo right now? Eh? AMD has supplied Ryzen review kits to hardware sites saying NDA ends xx.yy.zzzz. So all sites who got those review kits are preparing their articles for publishing on that date. What do you think if AMD lifts NDA earlier than expected? How many sites are able to make their Ryzen article as complete they want? Very few.
So, your point is still not valid.
That's my view on the topic. All this pre-release BS over potential lies.Here are my thoughts: nothing. Absolutely nothing.
I'll wait for tech site reviews to start rolling out, then decide how I feel. Anything else at this stage is utterly pointless.
Okay let's play this game - you don't have the hardware so your supposed point is purely speculative and biased. You have no idea how these processors perform in the benchmarks versus other benchmarks or real-word performance.
What is certain is that AMD is controlling the information and it's natural for a company to put itself in the best light. AMD also has a history of over-hyping and overselling, releasing products that don't match the performance they claim.
From that comment I am not sure english is your first language so I will try and spell it out for you - if the claims being made in this thread were true (a "total win" over Intel at 50% of the cost) then there'd be no need for an embargo or selective benchmarking (again in threaded workloads where AMD has been "more competitive"). AMD could just "drop the hammer" on Intel, much like Sony did with their "This is How You Share Games" advert.
That makes so much more sense and I apologize if there were misunderstandings for my lack of comprehensionEnglish is not my first langage, I can admit that with no problems.
Here's where I would disagree - the embargo is for preorders. Ryzen was available for preorder on 2.22.17, a week before launch. It's possible that AMD doesn't want to appear to play favorites by holding all the reviews for 1 date of release but if that were the case they could easily lift the embargo the day preorders are accepted. Waiting until launch only builds the hype.It seems you don't have too much experience about this. As far as I recall (1992-), for CPU releases, there is always review embargo. No matter how good product. There was embargo on Pentium (1993), AMD Athlon (1999), Athlon64 (2003), all "total wins". Same applies to all Intel releases too. So even if Ryzen would have 200% better performance with 10% of Intel cost, there would still be embargo. There is always.
Main reason is business. If reviews say product is simply awesome, but you cannot buy that awesome
product soon, people will get angry. That's why, according to rumours, review embargo lifts February 28 and Ryzen is available to two days later.
That makes so much more sense and I apologize if there were misunderstandings for my lack of comprehension
Here's where I would disagree - the embargo is for preorders. Ryzen was available for preorder on 2.22.17, a week before launch. It's possible that AMD doesn't want to appear to play favorites by holding all the reviews for 1 date of release but if that were the case they could easily lift the embargo the day preorders are accepted. Waiting until launch only builds the hype.
I hope AMD delivers and will be picking up their lower end processors if they compete well with the i3/i5 range. Today we have little evidence to support that they will deliver.
Here's what you're not getting - there is a review embargo right now. Any specs/benchmarks/etc that are coming out are so at the discretion of AMD or are being leaked without AMD's permission. It's normal to assume if they're controlling the information that this will put their new product in the best light.
Cautious optimism would be warranted here until the embargo lifts.