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Americans could lose the right to resell their own possessions

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  1. Zilpha TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 345


    Yea, but "we, the people" sure as hell aren't doing anything about it. Back in the day, when a tyrant went too far, the people would overthrow him by force. Now? We live in a soft society of crybabies who would rather post on internet forums than actually do anything about it.
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  2. tonylukac TechSpot Maniac Posts: 571

    In China they allow selling of copied cds and dvds. This is democracy.
  3. Win7Dev TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 297   +12

    Those a patent disputes, not copyright disputes. Two completely different things.
  4. Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,072   +84

    I, for one, can't wait to hear the oral arguments. It will be more than enlightening to listen to how Wiley justifies what is essentially price gouging of students in the US, all while every politician is chanting a mantra about making affordable secondary education a priority for America. Seems like quite a little dichotomy there...

    The fact that it has gotten so far, and is wasting so much of everyone's time (up to the Supreme Court!), over a situation that their own arbitrary regional price fixing has created, just hammers home how fundamentally flawed our legal system can be at times.
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  5. Wagan8r TechSpot Maniac Posts: 520   +15

    The suit will not be upheld. There's no way that the Supreme Court, regardless of their political leanings, will side with Wiley. I'm predicting a 9-0 ruling on this.
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  6. tonylukac TechSpot Maniac Posts: 571

    It will make manufacturers not want to make ANYTHING in the us. No jobs whatsoever.
     
  7. Tygerstrike TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 758   +71

    Seems like sour grapes from Wiley more then anything else. Its supposed to be "a fair product at a fair price". But if he/they are selling the books cheaper somewhere else, they have no right to sue for someone taking advantage of the global market. The internet has changed how things are done. Perhaps this will help to steer the Laws of the Land to a more internet friendly basis. This case will more then likely be tossed so far out the door it wont even be funny. I can also see Wiley getting sued for price fixing on text books because of this.
    This should be an interesting few months for this issue. I really cant wait to see this case implode on Wiley. They are going to have the same "Luck" that a cartoon character of a similar name always gets lol.
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  8. Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 998   +47

    I don't see how Wiley can even claim copyright infringement unless Kirtsaenge sold them as Kirtsaenge Textbooks or another moniker that wasn't Wiley's. Simply reselling the books at a higher price than what he imported them for doesn't fall under copyright law (by my limited understanding of it), even if the company he imported them from wasn't the original country of publication/manufacture. I see a smart guy, trying to make an honest buck like any other good entrepreneur.
  9. amstech TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 452   +54

    I am sorry but nothing like this could ever be successfully implemented. It violates the most basic of human freedom and rights, nothing any government can give or take away if they choose to abuse thier power.
    The people decide what is right and wrong, even though most of society and currency is designed and controlled, even then you can only take it so far.
    There will be a backlash and all types controlling parties will be held accountable.

    This has to be mostly associated with devices/electronics and other patented items.
    If they are talking about people's clothes and furniture, then its absolutely ridiculous.
    Maybe I am missing something here.
  10. Xclusiveitalian TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 588   +17

    If this passes it is truly insane how bad things are getting...soon we won't have a right to leave our houses.
  11. New Zealand did something similar a while back. During the Rugby World Cup retailers in NZ were selling All Blacks jerseys for something like $250. People found they could order the exact same jersey from a retailer in the US, including shipping for like $100. The Government found out and blocked all imports from that Reseller. To react local sellers dropped there prices by like $20!

    I brought an SSD from the US the other month. Cost me $200 but customs charged me 50% import tax! Even so it was still cheaper than the exact same item in NZ.

    I say, if you can buy something cheaper abroad you should be able to. Free trade and all.
  12. cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,303   +291

    If "Supap Kirtsaenge" needs any supporters, I'm there. This suit against him is pathetic.
  13. Paulfree17 Newcomer, in training

    "Wiley, the book publisher in question, admits they sell textbooks for less outside of the US. Even so, they decided to sue Kirtsaenge for copyright infringement"

    First of all, if they sell the item for the same price here that they sell overseas it would not be an issue.
    That said, I am not sure how the copyright laws would apply to physical items like cars and furniture which is not covered by copyright. Copyright laws pertain to intellectual property. When you purchase a book or music you are paying far more for the content then your are for the physical material and labor used to produce each copy.

    When you purchase a piece of furniture or a car the value is largely the material and labor that went into the manufacture. In effect title to the item in question passes to the purchaser. With things like software, or books it is more of a right to use, that transfers with sale to the purchaser. Making copies is violating the terms of the right to use. However, you can legally sell the software to someone but only if you are giving up your right to use it. It is only when you make a copy to sell (music, book, software) while maintaining personal use that you are in violation of the copyright laws.
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  14. This is not about creating a new law, this is a court case about the interpertation of an existing law. I don't believe the plaintifs will win the case but we will see.
  15. hahahanoobs TechSpot Booster Posts: 483   +31

    Won't happen. Period.

    *moving on..."
  16. treetops TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,385   +12

    Lol rich people are pissed because the common man can exploit the global economy through ebay so funny. No we don't have sweat shops but I can buy a extra battery for my high end RC car for half the price from some back water asian country. The only downside is you have to wait about a month for shipping.

    Then there is this young lad who made a living off of it, NICE. Along side with wow gold farmers and all the super cheap 1 month shipping electronics all over ebay.
  17. ramonsterns TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 752   +12

    I need to get around copywriting the english language.

    Money, Money, Money...
  18. UnknownSky Newcomer, in training Posts: 39

    Sooooo still going to sell what I have bought to whomever I want and going to buy whatever I please from whomever I please. Please...dear God please try and stop me :)
  19. @Zilpha -"Yea, but "we, the people" sure as hell aren't doing anything about it. Back in the day, when a tyrant went too far, the people would overthrow him by force. Now? We live in a soft society of crybabies who would rather post on internet forums than actually do anything about it."

    As Fish once sung in "Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors":

    And you sit there and talk revolution
    But can you tell me just who's in command?
    When you tell me the forces we're fighting
    Then I'll join you and gladly make plans
    But for now only our t-shirts cry freedom
    And our voices are gagged by our greed
    Our minds are harnessed by knowledge
    By the hill and the will to succeed
  20. p51d007 TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 160   +15

    The only "good" would be to reduce the number of weekly yard sales that bottle up traffic on roads I use to detour around the city I live in LOL.