Apple launches new 27-inch Thunderbolt Display, Mac mini

In other words you're saying it is both poor value and not overpriced.

Sorry, I had to quote myself for continuity.

Just as a talking point, let's say I consider something a "poor value" when it requires a great sacrifice to own it. As a definition of "sacrifice", let's say that that means, "what else could I have had, it I didn't buy a, "Thunderbolt".

As you well know, I have an HP ZR24w, and I'm delighted with it. It cost $400.oo. The Apple screen would likely sell at list, and that's a thousand bucks.

So, here I sit on $600.oo worth of potential additional gratification. That could be a 40+" TV, a new guitar, most of a decent whole 'nuther computer, home repairs groceries, and so forth.

Or, I could sit around and wax my Apple. It would sure impress house guests.

If you have more money than brains, or just more money than me, then by all means buy one. I think it would be a piss poor purchasing decision, but again that's just me. It's apparently what Apple is hypnotizing it's followers to do, I just failed to gaze at Steve Jobs shiny, swinging watch.

That's a good point Captain.

Brings to mind another question, how much would the Apple machine cost that would actually be able to push that thing @ 2560x1440 in a game for instance?

The cheapest mac pro @ $2,500 sports a AMD 5770, even the most expensive one ( $5k ) shares that same card.

People seem to forget that even though Apple is making a killing these days, if it weren't for the iPod/iPhone, they would have gone bankrupt along time ago. Their PC business model is a joke.

It's not really fair to speculate about a Mac Pro with respect to gaming. Windows has the lion's share of that market accounted for.

However, as an alleged "Pro" model computer, I tend to view the "Mac Pros" as more along the lines of a workstation machine. That said, I would begin my comparisons with a single or dual Zeon Wintel.

Your point about the graphics is very valid in this light. Since the Mac Pro is really a workstation, the graphics should be upgraded to the "FirePro" or similar professional video cards. Here's a sampling; http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=449&name=Professional-Graphics-Video-Cards

Before anybody chimes in with the banal, a Mac Pro was never intended to play "Crysis", so don't ask....:rolleyes: 'cause I won't tell...

Yeah, I just picked the pro because they are the Apple's only pc that has hardware close to being able to run games.

They don't offer any other gaming machines :|

Try this on:

Overpriced:
Item A and B perform the same. Item A is 30% more

Poor value:

Item B performs 10% better, but cost's 30% more.

Solved

Was that a shot at me??
:haha:....here it comes

No, it was a combination of self deprecation, a hint of masturbation, and a more shaped, but non-personal charge, sort of like a Claymore Mine, aimed at anyone who got into its path of destruction.

:haha: ROFL...you peeked!

A few decades ago, that would have been...."peaking".

Yeah, this is getting pulled....Go Apple....!

That'll be 2 Mini servers and a Thunderbolt to go, hold the strychnine.....


(For the multitudes of you out there that didn't get the ...."hold the strychnine" joke, I suggest you google, "orange sunshine, and/or the effects of strychnine poisoning).

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I always thought it was "Blue sunshine"....must have been all the 'Orange sunshine'

Those were the days! Being led to your seat at the Spectum, one person on each arm to stabilize you. Having to ask, (of Leon Russell), "is this guy any good"? Being told, "not really".

Nowadays though, I'd watch the concert from my Mac Mini's Blu-Ray drive, with sparks flying off the edges of my, "Thunderbolt", monitor! Screw those crowds. Screw trying to stop at the lights on the way home, instead of actually stopping a half block before them.

:haha::haha::haha:
"That one goes to eleven"

Well see, if you can't afford a computer after you've bought your "Thunderbolt", just leave it turned off, and stare at your own reflection.

For those of you who simply can't justify a "Thunderbolt" for any reason, yet still suffer from Apple envy, might I suggest staring at your own reflection in the door of your microwave.

Now I'm picturing the RCA dog, "Nipper", listening to Steve Jobs in the horn of the gramophone. "Now Nipper, go fetch yourself an iPhone"! Nipper c0cks his head and says, Ruh- Roh....!

Well of course..you have to know who is sneaking up you...am I right??

You roll your stone up to it, and peek around it!

We might as well fracture Greek mythology, since we've fractured everything else today. Meet "Narsysiphus", he's the guy peeking around the rock in the microwave door..

Hm, do you suppose that it was actually a giant Apple that Sisyphus had to push up the hill for all eternity? Do you think that David killed Goliath by slinging an Apple Mini at him by its USB cable? Do you think it was actually an Apple "Thunderbolt" display that spoke to Moses out of the burning bush?

I'm trying so desperately to keep this on topic.

I always love to read forum posts from people arguing with each other about how x is better than y or a is much more cost effective that b. Who gives a f*ck? I am an Apple fan. Why? Because I prefer the intuitive software, the reliability (".....has encountered an error and needs to close" doesn't occur on my iMac. Ever), the design/aesthetics and most of all, the effortless integration between my other Apple consumer products (iPhone, Apple TV, iPad etc). Yes it's expensive but then so was my BMW 330ci convertible. Doesn't make it overpriced. It means its quality and is the result of exacting design, research and top quality materials. I have a saying; "cheap price, buy twice". And that is fundamentally what you're getting with WIndows-based machines which are always built by 3rd party manufacturers. Before you ask, yes I also own a windows-based laptop and I hate it. It is unreliable and under spec'd despite my loving OCD-esque maintenance. But I use it because (A) its cheap to replace and (B) because it's cheap its suitable for purpose and I don't mind it becoming dirty or scratched (I work offshore). It would break my heart to see the beautiful exterior of a MacBook getting damaged.

What I believe the root motivation for you 'Apple haters' is the fact you didn't quite do well at school thus resulting in a mundane job which doesn't pay well enough for you to be able to afford and Apple device. For that I feel for you. I however can quite comfortably afford most consumer purchases and if I wanted could build my own PC that could rival NASA's offerings. But the flaw would be it would be running Windows. So instead I opt for something with the positive attributes I have mentioned above. Apple.

If it's not for you then its not for you but don't get on your soap box and proclaim that its not worthy. Obviously the sales figures and the fact most professionals (that don't have a job putting digits into a spreadsheet - think architects, graphic designers...in fact, most design disciplines) use Apple computers.

Stand by for incoming

And now for yet more of Apple's obnoxious product placement campaign.

Sadly,the same thing is true at this end, "who gives a f*ck".

It pretty much goes without saying, that most of us don't really care about, the "why" of it either. However, since I don't want to be thought of as a poor host, please do rant on.....

Well Superman, thanks for stopping by. It's good of you to take time out from waxing your Beemer, and share all this insight with us.

You have so much Apple s**t, it's like I'm trapped in a "B" Sci-Fi movie where a Mac Book Pro and General Bronze Ones are the only 2 things standing between salvation, and our utter destruction. (My bad, that would be 3 things).

Now if you'll do us one last favor, by striving for world peace while continuing to uphold the ideals of the Miss America pageant, I know that will make be sleep better tonight..

And please rest assured I won't ever, ever, give away your secret identity, which of course is, "guest".....

Before considering an iMac gsearch how many people have had GPU fairlure, often just outside the 3 year apple care.

Then search how much a replacement is and then search how many times threads about such have been taken down from the Apple site by apple themselves,

I once was an apple 'fan-boy' until my 5th mac was an imac.

never again, spent too uch money on something i could get 3 times better and at half the price if i built it myself, got some forceware and then dual booted osx and doze 7.

best of both worlds.

This is an issue that has been going on in electronics for decades, starting with compact stereos.

I've always been completely mystified as to why people think it's a good idea to have everything in one package. The classic TV with a DVD built in. It's got 30 buck DVD drive, which adds 75 dollars to the price of the TV, and if if fails the whole shebang has to go to the shop. Technology moves on, and you can't pull it and replace it with a Blu-Ray drive either.

So, these "all in ones" like the eMac, seem like the dumbest idea in history, right from the jump.

You're talking to someone who would never buy anything but discreet component stereo, and a desk top tower. And yes, make mine Wintel.

Apple reminds me of Bang & Olufsen stereo, which has adequate specs, but it's not going to set the world on fire. And so, it sells to the socially preoccupied, with more money than practical experience and knowledge, on style points alone.

It is sad that, "I paid more for mine than you paid for yours", is almost a social imperative. And a smart shopper is considered a "cheapskate".

captaincranky, you may have been asked stuff like this before but I'm curious.

1) If you could get a Mac with the same exact hardware specs for the same exact price as a Windows pc, would you consider getting it?

2) If you had the option to run OS X on non-Apple hardware, would you consider that?