Darkshadoe
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99.999% of new cars have the same basic functionality as a car made in the 20s or 30s. Win 8 equates to putting the steering wheel in the trunk.
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99.999% of new cars have the same basic functionality as a car made in the 20s or 30s. Win 8 equates to putting the steering wheel in the trunk.
EEatGDL
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Dude, I think you're exagerating way to much. 20s, 30s cars didn't have onboard computers, visual warnings, a link of your cellphone to the car through bluetooth, cars with navigation... I don't mean all have, but not even cars of the same year have the same functions and equipment. Haven't think of a W8-car analogy yet but I'm sure is something more "sutile", even when is a 'major' change in that sense I think it would be like a car with a touchscreen where the stereo usually is and you had to pay attention to the screen instead of learned movements to adjust thinks like the volume; we were just talking about that on a friend's new car about how bad idea and distracting it is to have a touchscreen with many sub-functions. I know, not accurate but is an example I could think right now; I mean, is not like they're getting rid of the system registry once and for all or any other major 'core' change, in the core besides the GUI is essentially still Windows and not any other variation of OS.
Darkshadoe
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Still using the car analogy, The desktop formally known as "Metro" should have been an option, not part of the functionality. By forcing people to use "metro", it is like they took the steering wheel and put it in the trunk. Sure you may still be able to drive the car to an extent, but does it really make life any easier? Now I have to stop, re-evaluate how to drive a car, and retrain myself to drive it. The same goes for Win 8. Rather than hitting the ground with my feet running after installation, I, again, have to stop, learn all new ways to do things in Win 8, and retrain myself in those new ways.
Change does not equal innovation. Microsoft is just copying Apple's and Google's playbooks as much as I hate to say it. I'm not trying to get people not to buy it as much as it sounds like it. I'm just giving my personal views like everybody else. If you like it..buy it and enjoy. I just happen to think that Microsoft jumped the gun on this version as so not to look like they are out of touch. Windows is slowly becoming a proprietary OS like Mac OS with all these so-called new features.
EEatGDL
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@DarkShadow I just say you exagerated with the 99.999%, I respect your opinion but you have accept you exagerated which is my starting point.
Sarcasm
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I think the people who keep saying the PC market is going to die doesn't realize there will always be people like us who will prefer to do things on an actual computer in front of an actual screen and NOT on a 4-4.8" smart phone. Heck, there are even certain things that simply cannot be accomplished without a traditional desk top. For example I don't see a tablet or phone replacing my company computer which uses hundreds of excel files accessed hundreds of times daily by different engineers.
cliffordcooley
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You are right, I don't notice UAC because it is one of the first things I turn off.
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Mr. Gates comes out and said windows 8 is a very exciting new product is just to make consumers to buy this (windows 8) and all related product with this also.
As replies from Microsoft about the privacy of Windows 8, Microsoft doesn't give any guarantee for anything you do if you use any third-party apps, s/w, drivers or anything. And nowadays, the hackers are doing better. So once Windows 8 releases, it'll more difficult for people who use it.
I'll ask you simple but brainy QnA on Win8:
1. Whatever you do is cloud based and you store all your private information(like Win8 login email, its apps, etc) will be shared by you in various sites/installations. This creates loopholes to hackers & viruses to spread your info. And with all info on cloud, we'll be easily tracked by anyone(like US govt tracks on innocent citizens). Many of us use third-party s/w or apps, and MS says they can't help, when we use third-party on Win8. Are you ready to share everything(incl private) to the whole world.
Still MS didn't reply for the above Q and the below one too.
2. whether the email associated with Win8 will be taken for Validation/Activation?
I think Bill Gates is being used/pressured by MS to give a boost to Win8 sales.
I'll ask you simple but brainy QnA on Win8:
1. Whatever you do is cloud based and you store all your private information(like Win8 login email, its apps, etc) will be shared by you in various sites/installations. This creates loopholes to hackers & viruses to spread your info. And with all info on cloud, we'll be easily tracked by anyone(like US govt tracks on innocent citizens). Many of us use third-party s/w or apps, and MS says they can't help, when we use third-party on Win8. Are you ready to share everything(incl private) to the whole world.
Still MS didn't reply for the above Q and the below one too.
2. whether the email associated with Win8 will be taken for Validation/Activation?
I think Bill Gates is being used/pressured by MS to give a boost to Win8 sales.
ReederOnTheRun
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Actually Metro is just a gateway to the actual functionality (performance - which you might have noticed, nobody is complaining about). If we are talking about cars, its more like changing the position of the gear stick from the steering column to the center console. You might accidentally reach for the steering column when you want to shift at first, but in a couple trips you'll start reaching for the center console. Maybe you'll still like the column shifter better, or maybe you'll like the new center console shifter better. Either way you'll adapt to it just fine. And then years later you'd have the same difficulties if you switch back to the steering column shifter.
I'd guarantee if we started with the Metro interface and switched to the regular start menu, everybody would be outraged at that just as much as they are with Metro.
P.S. - If you're having that much of a hard time coping, you can just get Linux too. You can set it up absolutely any way you want.
P.P.S. - Also, let's just pretend that "99.999% basic functionality" comment never happened.
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Who else.. is doing this, other than Microsoft..?
From phone ~ surface/tablet ~ notebook ~ laptop ~ pc ~ OEM kiosks.. ..all same Operating System w/patented multi-touch displays, etc.. (??).
Secondly, my mother recently asked me about "an xerBox"..!
Then told me about how she can play game & share movies with her friends.
Obviously, she meant Xbox.. and she said it "was awsome" that she could move and "it" could see her.
Xbox + Kinect @ Cousin's house is what she (62) was all worked up about. Free-form developing for the kinect puts MS years ahead of any OS.
From phone ~ surface/tablet ~ notebook ~ laptop ~ pc ~ OEM kiosks.. ..all same Operating System w/patented multi-touch displays, etc.. (??).
Secondly, my mother recently asked me about "an xerBox"..!
Then told me about how she can play game & share movies with her friends.
Obviously, she meant Xbox.. and she said it "was awsome" that she could move and "it" could see her.
Xbox + Kinect @ Cousin's house is what she (62) was all worked up about. Free-form developing for the kinect puts MS years ahead of any OS.
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Solution to metro- classic shell
Darkshadoe
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Functionality does not equal performance. Functionality is getting something to work. A car has 4 wheels, engine, transmission, brakes, steering wheel, etc. These are the essential parts to make an automobile get from point A to point B and automobiles, since they were invented, have had these items in various forms to allow the car to operate. (Hence the 99.999% basic functionality) On-board computers, aerodynamic bodies, fuel injection were added to make the automobile perform more efficiently, get better gas mileage, etc. but, you do not need these items to have the automobile actually run.
Under the hood, Win 8 could be like performance sports car. I'm not disputing that point. How you interface with that car is the problem though. When you operate a car, you do not steer it in the direction you want with the gear shift. You use the steering wheel. Win 8 still has a steering wheel (metro) but is has changed so dramatically many individuals are actually going to waste time re-learning it's system. It is going to be counter-productive to all this so-called productivity Win 8 claims to happen when using the new interface.
Like I said before. If you want to use Win 8, more power to you. Enjoy it.
P.S. If you are having a tough time grasping the automobile analogy further, I can get a box of crayons and a piece of paper and draw it for better comprehension.
ReederOnTheRun
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And what do we call its ability to work as we want it to? Oh yeah - its performance.
If what you really mean is that they are still here to drive you from point A to point B, I guess they are pretty similar. Mechanically though, just about every single component of the car has been drastically redesigned from when the car was first invented. In fact, your argument is more suited for why we should switch back to DOS.
Yeah counter productive for about 30 seconds before they figure it out. It isn't rocket science, its a pretty easy set up (even if you happen not to like it). If someone was having such a hard time figuring it out that they can't adjust to such a simplistic UI, they probably have bigger problems than Metro.
If you don't like it, that's fine. Just say that. But don't act like you have to solve a rubik's cube every time you want to open a folder.
Darkshadoe
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Functionality - the quality of being functional or operational.
Performance - the execution or accomplishment of work, acts, feats, etc.
Per the definitions, I think you just agreed with me so thanks.
"If what you really mean is that they are still here to drive you from point A to point B, I guess they are pretty similar. Mechanically though, just about every single component of the car has been drastically redesigned from when the car was first invented. In fact, your argument is more suited for why we should switch back to DOS."
My point is that every car since the invention of them is driven the same way. Hands on steering wheel, feet on pedals. A car is a car is a car. Windows has been practically the same way since Win 95. That is 17 years of using the same operating system the same way everyday and now they expect everyone in a few months time ,since it was previewed by the public, to just change how they use their computer because THEY think that they know best. That is pretty arrogant. If I have buy a third party program just to have the functionality I have been used to for 17 years, there is a definite design flaw.
"Yeah counter productive for about 30 seconds before they figure it out"
So you can guarantee that everyone in the world that adopts Win 8 can figure it out in 30 seconds? I'll take that bet. I'm not really much of a betting man, but I have a dollar that isn't doing anything.
"If you don't like it, that's fine. Just say that"
What I don't like is the UI. I got too frustrated in the few hours of messing with it to really evaluate anything else. Again, I'm not saying Win 8 is horrible overall. Just the UI. It was definitely not made for a desktop computer and more than Microsoft tends to think, there are millions of them still in use.
"But don't act like you have to solve a rubik's cube every time you want to open a folder."
Actually I found a Rubik's cube easier to solve.
ReederOnTheRun
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*face palm*
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ReederOnTheRun said:
"Exactly, I mean why can't these "innovators" just get that we should be getting new and revolutionary stuff that works the exact same as our old stuff! I mean all of these computers and gps's in cars, why do they have to complicate everything with "options" and "turn-by-turn directions"??? Clearly, if you have to learn how to use it, its not worth having. Apple has the right idea, just keep everything the same forever. If fact, lets just put a ban on inventing things right now. It's just too hard to learn."
The grievances I have against Windows 8 have absolutely nothing to do with suppressing innovation. They have to do with flipping expectations of a product completely upside down and expecting people not to react. That's what is hilarious about your argument. You don't radically alter a product that has been slowly refined over 17 years and then call it by the same name. I personally would never complain about having to learn the new Metro UI because the fact of the matter is, I don't have to, and I never will. I am sure the Metro UI is easy to learn but the question I ask myself is, why do I even want to? I don't. Why do I want to surrender my laser-precision mouse for greasy bulky fingers. Why would I want to sacrifice my ability to type 60+ words per minute on my full-size keyboard for an on-screen keyboard where the letters are so close together that when I attempt to hit one letter I end up hitting 3 or 4? Or if I were to use a regular desktop monitor, why do I want to close the distance between my eyes and my monitor. I can now sit a comfortable distance from my monitor screen. I keep at least 36" between my eyes and my monitor to prevent eyestrain and headaches. How am I going to do that if I have to swipe and snap the screen all day? I can't. Nobody's complaining about innovation, no one is trying to suppress it. Windows 8 misses the mark by such a huge distance that I don't even know where to begin. Repeat after me. Desktops NOT EQUAL TO tablets AND/OR cellphones. End of story.
*sigh* I guess love is blind. People who love new technology will find a way to love it no matter what anybody else says. Microsoft Windows 8 = fail!
How come Microsoft didn't just force cellphone users to start carrying around a keyboard and mouse? Probably cause they nobody would want to. Not sure why they couldn't see that desktop users don't sit 12" from their 27" monitors and swipe and snap and slobber all over their monitors.
"Exactly, I mean why can't these "innovators" just get that we should be getting new and revolutionary stuff that works the exact same as our old stuff! I mean all of these computers and gps's in cars, why do they have to complicate everything with "options" and "turn-by-turn directions"??? Clearly, if you have to learn how to use it, its not worth having. Apple has the right idea, just keep everything the same forever. If fact, lets just put a ban on inventing things right now. It's just too hard to learn."
The grievances I have against Windows 8 have absolutely nothing to do with suppressing innovation. They have to do with flipping expectations of a product completely upside down and expecting people not to react. That's what is hilarious about your argument. You don't radically alter a product that has been slowly refined over 17 years and then call it by the same name. I personally would never complain about having to learn the new Metro UI because the fact of the matter is, I don't have to, and I never will. I am sure the Metro UI is easy to learn but the question I ask myself is, why do I even want to? I don't. Why do I want to surrender my laser-precision mouse for greasy bulky fingers. Why would I want to sacrifice my ability to type 60+ words per minute on my full-size keyboard for an on-screen keyboard where the letters are so close together that when I attempt to hit one letter I end up hitting 3 or 4? Or if I were to use a regular desktop monitor, why do I want to close the distance between my eyes and my monitor. I can now sit a comfortable distance from my monitor screen. I keep at least 36" between my eyes and my monitor to prevent eyestrain and headaches. How am I going to do that if I have to swipe and snap the screen all day? I can't. Nobody's complaining about innovation, no one is trying to suppress it. Windows 8 misses the mark by such a huge distance that I don't even know where to begin. Repeat after me. Desktops NOT EQUAL TO tablets AND/OR cellphones. End of story.
*sigh* I guess love is blind. People who love new technology will find a way to love it no matter what anybody else says. Microsoft Windows 8 = fail!
How come Microsoft didn't just force cellphone users to start carrying around a keyboard and mouse? Probably cause they nobody would want to. Not sure why they couldn't see that desktop users don't sit 12" from their 27" monitors and swipe and snap and slobber all over their monitors.
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@ReederOnTheRun:
"Functionality does not equal performance. Functionality is getting something to work"
Yes, I agree
"And what do we call its ability to work as we want it to? Oh yeah - its performance"
my advice, please learn more before you post comment.. do not mislead other with false information that seems right but it isn't. I see this kind of answer usually comes from a hot-headed kids who lost their temper.
"Functionality does not equal performance. Functionality is getting something to work"
Yes, I agree
"And what do we call its ability to work as we want it to? Oh yeah - its performance"
my advice, please learn more before you post comment.. do not mislead other with false information that seems right but it isn't. I see this kind of answer usually comes from a hot-headed kids who lost their temper.
I dont want to see unnecessary change just to keep you happy.
Emexrulsier
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Teko03
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A start button isn't going to bring back a start menu, the "metro" start screen is here to stay....deal with it. Enjoy using an EOL Windows 7 in 15 years....
cliffordcooley
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If it takes 15 years to get something that looks better than Metro currently does, then so be it I will wait.
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Tek03 said:
"A start button isn't going to bring back a start menu, the "metro" start screen is here to stay....deal with it. Enjoy using an EOL Windows 7 in 15 years...."
LOL. And you will still be using Windows 8 in 15 years, right? The 'lovers of change' will still be happy with Windows 8 in 15 years. Hilarious. More likely, you'll be kicking Windows 8 under the bus after 3 years of use just like you are doing to Windows 7 right now.
Also, whether the new gay Metro UI is here to stay or not will be determined by consumer demand for a touch interface on a desktop computer which I estimate will be a very very very very small set of people indeed. How many desktop users wants to sit 12" away from a 27" monitor 8 hours a day? That's how close you have to sit to be able to constantly swipe and snap the screen. I can't imagine how tired my arms would be if I had to use Windows 8 in a corporate environment, having to holds my arms up all day and swipe my fingers all over the screen instead of simply resting my hands on a desk in comfort. Windows 8 for business = fail.
Consumer demand will dictate whether or not Windows 8 succeeds, not a couple of fan boys who get all giddy over ever new operating system released, whether that new OS makes good sense, or it's whacked out.
"A start button isn't going to bring back a start menu, the "metro" start screen is here to stay....deal with it. Enjoy using an EOL Windows 7 in 15 years...."
LOL. And you will still be using Windows 8 in 15 years, right? The 'lovers of change' will still be happy with Windows 8 in 15 years. Hilarious. More likely, you'll be kicking Windows 8 under the bus after 3 years of use just like you are doing to Windows 7 right now.
Also, whether the new gay Metro UI is here to stay or not will be determined by consumer demand for a touch interface on a desktop computer which I estimate will be a very very very very small set of people indeed. How many desktop users wants to sit 12" away from a 27" monitor 8 hours a day? That's how close you have to sit to be able to constantly swipe and snap the screen. I can't imagine how tired my arms would be if I had to use Windows 8 in a corporate environment, having to holds my arms up all day and swipe my fingers all over the screen instead of simply resting my hands on a desk in comfort. Windows 8 for business = fail.
Consumer demand will dictate whether or not Windows 8 succeeds, not a couple of fan boys who get all giddy over ever new operating system released, whether that new OS makes good sense, or it's whacked out.
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