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Building PCs for video editing class and have a question

By ingeborgdot
Jun 5, 2013
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  1. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,062   +919

    Oh xD.
     
  2. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder TS Evangelist Posts: 2,294   +547

    Lol, well as long as you have the adapter before hand, otherwise you can rig it up lol.
     
  3. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    Okay, have not pulled the trigger on the haswell stuff yet. I bought all of the other gear but I am reading a lot about the problems Haswell is having right now. I will be using a lot of USB 3.0 stuff and that is one of the issues it is having. I had already ordered the PSU and that is another issue Haswell is having. If it is not a CERTIFIED Haswell PSU you may run into problems. I had never heard of that until I did some reading first. Crap, what is everyone's take on this stuff???
     
  4. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,946   +728

    If you use an external drive (connected by USB 3.0) plugged into system while it is in a low power state (S3 sleep), the system may not recognise the drive on resume. If you keep your OS on a flash drive, or keep an external drive attached at all time that uses USB 3.0 then I'd hold off on buying a Haswell board and processor
    Blown out of proportion. IF you enable low power (and power saving in the OS) C6 / C7 states in the UEFI then you'll need a zero-load rated PSU since the system draws pretty much no load in the C6/C7 state. Not having a zero-load PSU means that the system likely wouldn't resume from sleep and would need rebooting.
    Bear in mind that poorly specced PSU's are likely to be the issue here. The list of compatible PSU's is very extensive (Here's a partial list). If you're planning on buying a cheapo PSU, don't enable C7.

    So, in brief. If you use a system with a USB3.0 drive connected while the system is in S3, and you plan on buying a cheap PSU, then Haswell might not be for you.
     
  5. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,062   +919

    I think you should put a reliable PSU behind a video editing workstation. I always do. I recommend getting the Corsair HX650.
     
  6. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    I have bought a tier 2 PSU for the system. Not a tier 1 or 2b, or 3 or 4 or 5 but a good tier 2 rated PSU from the list of tier rated PSU. It just happens that this tier 2 does not qualify.
    From this list
    http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
     
  7. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    I will have an internal usb 3.0 card reader attached all the time. Does that count?
     
  8. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder TS Evangelist Posts: 2,294   +547

    All your going to have to do if it does not support the low power state of haswell is on each machine, go into the bios and disable the C7 Power state. Its not really gonna make that much of a difference since I doubt the machines when they are on will be idle too much at least.
     
  9. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,062   +919

    I think you should have went with my suggestion of a reliable PSU. Like I said, I have been building workstations for years.
     
  10. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,946   +728

    That list doesn't seem that up to date to me. The Antec TruePower Quattro are on that list for example, and is Haswell approved.
    What PSU do you have?
    And as GhostRyder mentioned, disabling C7 is very much an option even if the PSU isn't certified for zero load.
    The USB3.0 card reader would be more of an issue. If it connects to the motherboards internal USB 3.0 header then it could be affected. If the card reader connects via other means (usually a SATA port) then you will be fine.
     
  11. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    I got a reliable PSU it is not the PSU's fault but intels. It would work great in anything other than a Haswell. It would still work great if I just turn of C6 and C7 I guess. This thing is a good PSU it just does not do what it needs to do because of an intel thing. I would have been over budget with the Corsair PSU. I am pushing the limit as it is. The HX650 is running $120. I got a PSU that I was told would work. Then I was told after the fact it would not. I am going to contact newegg and return them I guess. I need to find something that fits the bill at around the 70-80 buck range if possible.
    What about the stupid Haswell 3.0 thing? Will the internal card reader have any affect on it?

    It is a little outdated but still you can get some good ideas from it. Not for Haswell though, so for that, it is really outdated.

    I had not seen your usb answer. It will be connected to the internal usb 3.0 header so a problem may be at bay. Looks like my best option is to go to the 1155 board and Ivy Bridge and lose a whole 7%. I think that would be my safest bet since these things need to be done by the middle of July so we can get them tested and programs installed for school in August.

    Oh, as for the PSU I got. It is the Rosewill Hive 650. I talked to many and they said it was a good PSU, but not for Haswell.
     
     
  12. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder TS Evangelist Posts: 2,294   +547

    You will be fine, I have a rosewill (Lightning 1300) and its been great for me. Just make sure to disable that feature and you will have nothing to worry about.
     
  13. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    But I will have usb 3.0 card readers in all the machines. Dividebyzero seems to think this could make a difference. How will this affect the machine? I am just so frustrated now. I have never had any issue like this before.
     
  14. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,062   +919

    I never use PSUs from anyone but Corsair, Seasonic, and XFX. A lot of companies buy from OEMs that are reliable, but I have my batch of preferred PSU manufacturers. Remember man, it is the backbone of the system. You should also look into warranties since the workstations you are making are public.
     
  15. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    And these are a very good PSU. It's not like I bought junk. Rosewill is a very good company. I can go and find people that have had problems with Corsair, Seasonic, XFX and swear to never buy them again. It's all a matter of luck with these things. Rosewill is a very reputable company. Probably more so for what they are offering to do. I have been in contact with them and they are going to have newegg take back my PSU's with free shipping and let me buy what I want within reason for any inconvenience they say they have caused me. Service is as important as anything and they just proved to me that service with them is important. I don't know what I will do for a PSU but I will look at the tier list and see which ones match that and the Haswell list if I find out that card readers don't make a difference for USB 3.0 which I don't know where to look for that answer.
     
  16. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder TS Evangelist Posts: 2,294   +547

    Ok heres the deal, the USB 3.0 controller problem is that if a device is plugged into that controller and the Machine goes into S3 Sleep mode, the device would not be recognized until a restart. They are going to release an update that will fix the issue, simple disabling the mode will stop it from happening of course.
     
  17. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    Do just disable sleep, S3, will solve the problem? Okay, then we're on. I will go and check on PSUs and get one I like that works. Rosewill is helping me out with returning the ones I got so I don't have any problem ever with this build. I have never had any company do anything like this before.
     
  18. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder TS Evangelist Posts: 2,294   +547

    Yea as a temporary fix, but you will just have to update the motherboard when the fix comes which shouldn't be too long knowing intel, then it will be 100% fine.
     
  19. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    They said I don't even have to buy their PSU if I can't find any that fit my budget.
     
  20. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    I am getting ready to RMA all 6 of my PSUs back to Rosewill. They are having me send them to them I guess. I then in turn will get a refund. I am now free to purchase any PSU that will fit my bill. I have gone into PCPicker and it says with all of my components, fans etc. that I will be using only 351 Watts. Is there a place on there that tells what the recommended size of PSU should be? Just curious if I need to go bigger then 550 Watt? Thanks.
     
  21. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder TS Evangelist Posts: 2,294   +547

  22. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    It does not have a Xeon on there so I used the i5 along with a high performance mobod. I am using an SSD and 1 WD Black for HDD but there is no choice other than to put the WD as 2. But with all of that it says 488. What say you about that?
     
  23. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder TS Evangelist Posts: 2,294   +547

    Sounds about right, unless your running a gtx 780 or something. I would recommend a 650.

    Gives you plenty of room to avoid heat and unnecessary wear along with add on potential.

    More hdd's and ssds, will not make much of a difference in power consumption.
     
  24. ingeborgdot

    ingeborgdot TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 759

    So a 650 should be the way to go. Okay. I am on it. Thanks.
     
  25. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,062   +919

    What GPU did you decide on?
     


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