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Can't wait for 939, getting a socket 754 board. Which one???

By Arris
Apr 6, 2004
  1. Can't wait any longer as I've promised my old Abit NF7-S v2.0 board and overclocked 2100+ Tbred to someone at work for a reasonable price.

    I'll probably change system again within a year (which this should last me) when BTX, DDR2 and PCI-e have matured.

    Anyway the initial benchies I've seen with the 939 in single channel mode are quite on par with the larger cache 754 benchies.

    Therefore I think I'm gonna get one of the following: (unless someone can suggest the best 754 board to get at the moment)

    Abit KV8-Max 3
    Asus K8VSE Deluxe
    Epox 8HDA3+
    Gigabyte GA-K8NNXP
    MSI K8T Neo FIS2R

    Recommendations please :D
     
  2. Didou

    Didou Bowtie extraordinair! Posts: 5,899

    That is quite odd as there is no Socket-939 Athlon64 with a SingleChannel memory controller scheduled ( & I've looked at the latest roadmaps ).

    All Socket-939 chips will have a DualChannel memory controller & the only difference will be the L2 cache ( 512 for Athlon64 & 1MB for Athlon64-FX ) & so far the Athlon64-FX chips do not have a locked multiplier unlike the Athlon64.

    If you're not too busy, have a read :

    Generation Change: Eight Motherboards For The Athlon 64 @ Tomshardware

    Socket754 Platform: 13 Mainboards Roundup @ Xbitlabs

    If I should choose fro the boards you listed I would go for the Asus board ( but that's just me ;) ). It's just a shame it doesn't have Gigabit ethernet which could certainly become very usefull in about a year.
     
  3. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,627   +113

    Just read the Xbit labs roundup before checking here :D

    Thanks for the info.
    Of course the 939 A64s don't have a single channel memory controller. They would have just tested it with one stick of ram in :D

    I think I'll go for the Asus, or the Soltek which is nice and cheap but with more limited features. I really want a powered firewire port on it to charge my iPod.
     
  4. Didou

    Didou Bowtie extraordinair! Posts: 5,899

    Do you allready know which chip you're gonna buy for it ? The Athlon64 2800+ just came out & is almost as cheap as cotton candy.:D
     
  5. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,627   +113

    Oops.
    Ordered already.
    Didn't notice the 2800+ online.
    Plus with locked multis I wanted a slightly faster default chip and then up the fsb a bit.

    I ordered:
    -AMD Athlon 64 3200 (Socket 754) - OEM
    -ThermalRight SLK-948U (Socket 754/940 & Socket 478) Cooler
    -Asus K8VSE Deluxe (Socket 754) Motherboard
     
  6. Didou

    Didou Bowtie extraordinair! Posts: 5,899

    & would that be a 2.4ghz/512K 3200+ or a 2.2ghz/1024K 3200+ ? :giddy:
     
  7. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,627   +113

    2.0Ghz/1024k 3200+ (which I plan to try and run around 2.2Ghz) :D

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/amd_64_bit.html
     
  8. Masque

    Masque TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,212

    You'll like your board. I use the Asus K8V-Deluxe with the 3200+ 64-Bit and a Gig of ram.....love it. What are you using for vid card?
     
  9. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,627   +113

    Voodoo 3 3000.





    Only kidding :rolleyes:
    I've got a ATI 9800 with Samsung 2.8ns ram overclocked to close to Pro speeds.

    To be honest I wasn't really finding any games slow on my 2100+ overclocked to 2.0Ghz but, call me a masochist, I fancy trying the XP 64bit beta and just felt the need for a change :D

    New spec (with new CPU and motherboard):

    AMD Athlon 64 3200+
    ThermalRight SLK-948U with ThermalTake SmartFan II @ 2000rpm
    Asus K8VSE Deluxe
    1Gb OCZ EL-DDR PC3500
    ATI 9800 128mb (355/350 Samsung 2.8ns))
    Creative Audigy 2
    1 x WD SE 8mb Cache 80gb
    2 x Seagate Barracuda IV 40Gb 7200rpm
    Sony 4x DVD+/-RW
    17" Hyundai Q17 TFT, 19" Samsung 957DF Monitor
    Logitech DiNovo Desktop with MX900 Mouse
     
  10. Masque

    Masque TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,212

    What's the diff with the SE version of the mobo?
     
  11. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,627   +113

    Luckily I just answered this on another forum

    Ok managed to get two different links by going to K8V Deluxe from the Wi-fi @ home link.
    K8V SE Deluxe
    K8V Deluxe

    All I could see that was different was:
    K8V
    Scaleable hypertransport
    K8V SE
    800Mhz hypertransport

    Same thing basically with 754 based chips as they run 800Mhz.


    K8V
    The AI Series supports Gigabit LAN by integrating the 3COM 3C940 controller, equipped with a unique net-diagnosing utility-- VCT (Virtual Cable Tester). The controller intelligently detects net connection status up to 100 meters from a remote location and reports the distance of bad cable.

    K8V SE
    The AI Series supports Gigabit LAN by integrating Marvell 88E8001 GbLAN controller, equipped with a unique net-diagnosing utility-- VCT (Virtual Cable Tester). The controller intelligently detects net connection status up to 100 meters from a remote location and reports the distance of bad cable.

    Looks like they switched from a 3COM chip to the Marvell one.

    Doing a quick google shows Linux problems with 3com NICs. Maybe Asus were just trying to provide a more Linux friendly board for those wanting to run a 64bit Linux system. Although doing a search on the Marvell controller shows nothing but links to the K8V SE.

    So unless your bothered about the possibility of getting a slightly newer revision board which might get less bios updates (unless the same updates will be used for both models), if the K8V Deluxe is significantly cheaper then I'd go for that. I only saw the K8V SE Deluxe at my favorite online retailers when I was ordering mine.
     
     
  12. Masque

    Masque TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,212

    Interesting read. Thanks for the info......and enjoy your new setup.....I know I do. :grinthumb
     
  13. MrGaribaldi

    MrGaribaldi TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 2,802

    Not to put cold water in your blood or anything, but you might have some problems using that 9800 in the 64-bit edition of windows...

    ATI doesn't release any BETA drivers, and with the exception of the drivers being shipped with the 64-bit windows, all 64-bit drivers are classified as BETA...

    Normally, when using an OS that is on the market for everyone to use and driver development is releasing new drivers often, this is a good thing, but since this is a beta test of the windows, I do feel that ATI should've chosen not to follow their guidlines, and released special 64-bit BETA drivers to those enrolled in the MS Beta program...

    Dunno if this was interesting for anyone, but I just felt like typing it ;) :D

    Oh, and congratulations on your new setup!

    But you do realize this means I might have to kill you for having too much money? (Allthough if you're in Italy you're safe, since I have no idea on how to make myself understood down there) ;)
     
  14. Masque

    Masque TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,212

    I think he's staying with the current version....I don't think I read anything above about him using the 64-bit version of XP. Outside of that I know that the 9800XT rocks with that setup so he should be fine.

    Also, by the time the 64-bit version is released, the drivers should be as well. :)
     
  15. MrGaribaldi

    MrGaribaldi TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 2,802

    Hmm.. I thought I saw a message by Arris asking about 64-bit XP, but I could be mistaken.

    I posted the info/rant here, since it was here I saw that he was using an ATI card (though it didn't really surprise me ;))
     
  16. Masque

    Masque TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,212

    Actually, I think he did....but in a diff thread. But we're always happy to take your rants, Mr. G. :D
     
  17. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 830

    It's Arris's 5th post down.

    I'm running the MSI board with a 3000+. So far it's been excellent, but I really do need to upgrade my Geforce 2 GTS. I fully recommend this board for anyone concidering the AMD64 solution.
     
  18. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,627   +113

    Thanks for your concerns MrG.
    I might wanna try XP 64bit even if I can't play games on it :D

    I need to get on the beta CATALYST driver test team :D
     
  19. Greeno

    Greeno TS Rookie Posts: 394

    speak to CatalystMaker on the Rage3D forums
     
  20. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,627   +113

    Apparently he left the Rage3d forums after being hassled too much (read this on another forum that I stumbled across while looking for info on 64 bit ATI drivers) :S
     
  21. Masque

    Masque TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,212

    Yer right. I stand corrected. :eek:
     
  22. Steg

    Steg TS Rookie Posts: 422

    Just a comment on the 754 v 939 benchmarks.
    I think that its quite impressive that the 939 3400+ is performing very close to the 754 dispite having half the cache - i would love to see the performance difference when a second stick of ram is added. I think AMD have made a good few optermisations on the 939 from the looks of the early benchmarks - the nf3 250 is looking quite impressive as well - it looks like nvidia could finally beat off via in the A64 chipset arena.

    The wait is not long now - this month all will be uncovered when the 939 chips come out.

    Steg
     
  23. MrGaribaldi

    MrGaribaldi TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 2,802

    Apparantly they've been having a bit of a problem with fanATIcs these last months...

    Too bad, as it used to be an ok place to go for ATI info.


    Arris, you could allways visit another board CM posts on and ask him there (though he might not be too happy about it...) Or apply for beta member status on ATI's hp...


    And Arris, you know I keep a lookout for you ;) :D
     
  24. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,627   +113

    In a stalking kinda way???? :eek:
     
  25. MrGaribaldi

    MrGaribaldi TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 2,802

    Just trying to make sure the next time I go to Scotland, you won't have time to run back to Italy.. ;)
     
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