coin flip

By wiscountryboy
Apr 2, 2006
  1. i accidentlly damaged my CPU on the last motherboard replacement and i need to know what you guys think about my 2 options currently i have a Asus P4P800S-X

    1 being i get a new CPU


    2 being new mobo and cpu

    i use my computer primarily for gaming....

    i am at a loss on which way to go......ive heard good things about AMD but i dont know about the ULI northbridge ...or does it matter that much
  2. akaivan

    akaivan TS Maniac Posts: 470

    i think you should go with the mobo and cpu, because its a great deal and a amd! :)
  3. SOcRatEs

    SOcRatEs TechSpot Paladin Posts: 966

    Howdy to the bug and cheese state...HD's too

    How are you certain the CPU is fried?

    Well it depends on what you want to spend, they seem close in price but
    Uli tends to be a lower end chipset and you currently have a very good MoBo.
    Did you just buy the Asus?

    IMO: you'll get more bang for your buck with 800fsb.

    What ram and video card do you have now?
  4. wiscountryboy

    wiscountryboy TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 60

    i think the CPU is fried for a couple reasons, 1 being that during the last mobo switch when seating it i was pushin a little to hard on the fan with the clips and heard a pop type noise and since then it idles at 60-65 degrees C and i noticed a huge preformance drop.....i added a bit mroe thermal grease and tried a different fan with no avail to either problem

    yes i bought the asus mobo separatly from everything else to replace a soyo motherboard that i was unhappy with, (no sata and bios crash)

    i currently have 1 gb of Patriot ram (2x512)
    and a XFX Geforce 6600Gt graphics card
  5. SOcRatEs

    SOcRatEs TechSpot Paladin Posts: 966

    This is a P4? Did you replace the fan housing?
    I've had them break right where the arrow is pointing. This would cause higher temps. Are the lock levers snug or is one loose?
    Also check the four posts that stick up around the socket.
    Look for any cracks or breaks. Have you tested this cpu in another system? I would before buying anything you may not need.

    The more I think about it;
    P4's have a large solid copper sink, I think would resist any physical damages. Look at the bottom of chip, see if any pins are bent over or missing.
    Also take a very close look at the socket itself. Make sure when you place the cpu into the socket, that the lever is up, also make sure when the lever is locked down, check the cpu is secured by it.
  6. kirock

    kirock TS Rookie Posts: 1,221

    SOcRatEs makes a very good point. If the CPU actually "popped" as in die crack, then there's noway it would work and you'd have no post and fans spining. Clearly the CPU is working and SOcRatEs is on to something very important.
    IMO, cheers.
  7. wiscountryboy

    wiscountryboy TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 60

    alright thank you for the insight, i inspected all of the above mentioned stuff and everything is in order...i tried another fan, no improvements and i do not have another motherboard that i could test the cpu with..

    i am now at a loss for what may be wrong, ive tried reformatting a while back with no improvement to system preformance...
  8. kirock

    kirock TS Rookie Posts: 1,221

    Are your temps still high (60-65C) at idle? With them this high the CPU will automatically clock down (throttle) to reduce the heating effect and prevent self destruction. If you think all is in order with the HSF and mount and thermal paste then I guess there's nothing much more to do then replace. Shame bc if you could get temps bk to normal I'm pretty sure your system performance will be bk to normal too. It's all bc of the underclocking, bc of the over temperature.

    Getting bk to your first post, I'd recommend the AMD 64 skt 939 with the nVidia3 chipset (AGP). ASUS, ABIT, Gigabyte and MSI are all good brds. I see your Tigerdirect is actaully .ca, are you from Canada?

    If so:

    Are a few good stores.

  9. wiscountryboy

    wiscountryboy TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 60

    ok that would make a lot of sense, with the cpu throttling back...

    a few of my friends convinced me that i should just get it over with and spend some serious money, so whatdo you think about this motherboard/gfx card/cpu

    i already have a gig of ddr 400 ram and a sata hard drive as well as my optical drives

    also im from the states...not canada tho it is a beautiful country
  10. SOcRatEs

    SOcRatEs TechSpot Paladin Posts: 966

    I have'nt gotten to play with 1g fsb but hear it's awesome!
    That should make for a very nice system, good prices too. :bounce:
  11. kirock

    kirock TS Rookie Posts: 1,221

    Those choices look good. I see you're leaving the AGP 6600GT out and going PCI-E, also a good choice. PCI-E is the new interface and you'll soon start seeing AGP disappearing from store shelves or the price become uncompetitive. Newegg has good prices, makes me jealous of Americans :p

    I pretty sure the FSB is still maximum at 250MHz or so and what they are listing is the HT bus which is 1GHz for the Athlon64. This derives from the FSB X HT multi (usually 5 at default). So default settings on 939 mobos are 200(FSB) X 5(HT mulit)=1GHz HTT. The CPU multi for a 64 is anywhere from 9-12 at default, so 200X11=2.2GHz for my 3500+. I think the 3000 has CPU multi of 9, so 200X9 =1.8GHz. Suddenly I'm getting very sleepy again. :zzz: Sry didn't mean to get so boring.

    Cheers and have fun with your new system.

    PS 1 person said the mobo didn't have stand-offs (cons) I wonder how he/she mounted it? Be careful with that to avoid alot of aggrevation.
  12. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,345   +11

    Sounds like the integrated heat spreader got loose, the CPU overheats and triggers thermal throttling.
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