completly new comp on a budget

By flavin
Nov 9, 2005
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  1. hey im building a new comp for gaming. the only game i play right now is COD2. im on a budget like i said. as of now i have NO PARTS NO NOTHING

    heres what ive found online so far that i PLAN to buy
    amd 3500 venice ($201) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103533&ATT=Processors&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r
    asus a8n-sli premium ($163) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131540
    antec true power 550w ($51.92) http://www.buy.com/retail/product.a...05472&Type=PE&Category=Comp&Gad=0&dcaid=15890
    advance modules 1gb ram stick OEM (62) http://www.linemicro.com/product.php?id=13274
    POSSIBLY evga 6800 (219.. 189 after rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130231

    so can u guys tell me how this looks so far. what im missing. whats good bad or over priced. and especialy about the ram and the video card. thanks
  2. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,565

    You could save over 50 bucks on your mobo by getting this one:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131530

    It has the nforce4 ultra chipset which is a great one. The difference between the one you are looking at and this one is that it isn't SLI. There are some other differences but not really worth the money for the average user IMHO.

    I personally have the SLI version, as I want the option of adding an extra card in the future, but thought I'd offer this as soemthing to think about, as you are on a budget. You could then get some higher quality ram with the extra 50 bucks.

    By the way, I notice that the specs for the ram you are looking at says:
    Advanced Modules Chip
    High Density (Compatible with Via and Sis Chipsets Only)

    I don't know exactly that that means (someone will be able to answer this) but your chipset is nforce4.
  3. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,565

  4. flavin

    flavin Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 110

    yes i do want to have 2 pci-e x16 slots so i can upgrade to x2 7800's one day. also one thing i wanted to do was upgrade to a x2 or fx thats why i chose the sli-premium cause it can use either of those but the the sli one u gave me can only us 64 and fx.

    so my question is which processor is best for gaming a x2 or a fx?
    and anything im missing like a case and any other kind of cooling
  5. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,565

    Well, from all the reviews and benchmarks I have read, the fx processors are winning the race right now for gaming, but this is expected to change once game programmers start making use of dual core CPUs. As to WHEN this will happen....
  6. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 829

    You're at almost $700, and still haven't picked up a case, hard disk(s), optical drive, monitor, keyboard/mouse, or speakers. Exactly what kind of budget were you expecting to maintain?
  7. flavin

    flavin Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 110

    originally this was suppose to be an upgrade for everything but a modem, harddrive, and case. but then i figures i wanted unlimited acess and then started thinkin about sli and preparing for upgrades(mobo vid card) now rather than later. hopefully i will get a job at walgreens the end of this month. if i do i will probably be able to up my budget if i can get above 500 from newegg.com alon so i can get 6months financing. also if i get that job i will be buying a 7800 gt.

    so a really important question i got for u guys is. What is the most important parts to have in a comp to max out ur games?

    ps. if u think about it it would be cheaper in the long run to get a better vid card now than later.
  8. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 829

    Setting yourself up for debt when you have no income is a really bad idea. If you're looking to upgrade now, why don't you just give us a detailed list of your current PC and your current available PC upgrade funds. There may be a solution that will work for you know that won't be repo'd in 6 months.
  9. flavin

    flavin Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 110

    i dont really wanna upgrade cause my mom uses this one comp for a tlong time thats y i want a new one. and plus this comp here only has a good modem ant thtas preety much it. and a case with a sign that says "FAN" on it. so i really need everything NEW
  10. flavin

    flavin Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 110

    yea so any help would be appreciated. 2 things that r a must to have would be a mother board that supports SLI (for futur upgrade) and a nvidia 7800 gt.
    everything else would just have to improve my gaming especially anything to deal with graphics. thanks. and o yea this is my first actual computer besides the peice of junk i have now.
  11. C_Conqueror

    C_Conqueror Newcomer, in training Posts: 217

    I think that the three most important things for gaming are CPU, graphics card and ram, but you don't want to skimp out on the power supply, but you look safe with your antec.

    If you have a little extra money you might want a good sound card too I just bought a sound blaster augidy 2 zs

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102178

    but the sale ends soon :)
  12. spartanslayer

    spartanslayer Newcomer, in training Posts: 464

    If you have the cash

    I have a great customized system for gaming that I'm planning on buying. It's around $1400-$1500. If you want the specs say so.
  13. flavin

    flavin Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 110

    lol no. i cant really afford a 1500 dollar comp. if i had 1500 i think id buy a HDTV.

    look its chef :chef:
     
  14. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 829

    Ok, so your budget is sub $1500?

    While C_Conqueror is right on when it comes down to FPS, your single most expsensive component will be a gaming monitor. There's really no point in building a machine that can display 100 FPS at 1600 x 1200 if your monitor is a 15" 30ms screen.

    In anycase, its your money, so its your call.
    I'd recommend the $165 DFI Lanparty SLI over the ASUS board, because its noted to be faster in terms of gaming performance and the Kajaran(sp?) audio is superior to the point of making a Sound card unnecessary for all but audio enthusiasts. Another $15 adds RAID functionality, but its unlikely you'll use it on a budget machine.

    Then throw in the best AMD chip you can afford (venice or san diego core recommended).

    You'll want at least a gig of RAM. Check out this special at Newegg

    You should also try to score a WD Raptor Hard Drive as they're also the best SATA drive currently out for gaming.
  15. C_Conqueror

    C_Conqueror Newcomer, in training Posts: 217

    hey PanicX I have a question of my own for you what makes those hard drives so good I see them for around $150 but I don't know why since they are only 74 gb. I am sure that there is something I am missing.

    Just curious
  16. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,565

    By the way, since you are looking at setting up an SLI system there is some new news for you. Asus has come out with a new generation SLI board.

    Up until now all the SLI boards use the PCI-e slots at only x8 when in SLI mode.

    The new Asus board opens things up so both slots are running at x16. Some other new improvements as well. Looking like a nice board. Then again, it BETTER be a nice board with a price tag of $250 bones.

    Link to the board is here: http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=15&l3=0&model=744&modelmenu=1
  17. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,565

    It is the fastest ATA drive on the market. 10,000-RPM spindle speed and five-year warranty. Still, they are EXPENSIVE on a GB/dollar basis, but that's the price of having the best.

    The new caviar drives have more storage space, but are at 7,200 RPM.
  18. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 829

    Being that they spin at 10,000 rpm rather than 7200 rpm, they've got excellent seek times and some of the highest transfer and burst rates available in SATA. While they're somewhat limited on capacity they're the best performing drives available that aren't SCSI
  19. C_Conqueror

    C_Conqueror Newcomer, in training Posts: 217

    So being 10,000 rpm does that mean that they are just able to install programs faster or does it help your performance when playing games. As you can my hard drive is kinda small and I have been looking for another one probly won't get one until after christmas though.
  20. Vigilante

    Vigilante TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,120

    It's all in the seek times my friend. Observe:

    This is the 10,000rpm WD:
    Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
    Average Latency: 2.99ms
    Average Seek Time: 4.5ms
    Cache: 8MB

    This is a 160gb 7,200rpm WD:
    Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600JS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 300MB/s Hard Drive - OEM
    Average Latency: 4.2ms
    Average Seek Time: 8.9ms
    Cache: 8MB

    As you can see, the lower the ms, the faster it is. The 10,000 is almost considered TWICE as fast, by those numbers. This means when data is requested, or written, it does it much faster, and can get on to the next task.

    Man I wish I had one of them!
  21. flavin

    flavin Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 110

    do hardrives really affect gaming though?

    and also what r some other good socket 939 boards that dont use SLI.

    i plan on getting a 2nd card next year and will only be using 1 till then so i was thinkin i could get a non sli board now to save money now
  22. Tedster

    Tedster Techspot old timer..... Posts: 10,067   +13

    hard drive speed really doesn't affect gaming that much. Don't believe the hype about burst rates - often advertised on the packages. What really counts is SUSTAINED rates. A regular 7200rpm hard drive will be fine for most people. IF you MUST have a faster hard drive then sure, a faster speed is better.... you might shave a second or two.... a WHOPPING second or two..... whooppee....
  23. Vigilante

    Vigilante TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,120

    Very true, but deny a second here, a second there, and pretty soon your hardware is lagging behind by 30 seconds!

    I would think it could help for games in the sense of, when the game first loads, and all those hundreds of megabytes are being dumped into RAM. And when levels change and so forth, when new data is being retrieved. But it would be debatable whether it helps your FPS any, I doubt it.

    Still, a faster hard drive, think of it, Windows boots up faster, your programs load faster, defrags are done quicker, drive searches finish faster. Almost every task you perform on your PC, starts with some data being retrieved from the hard drive. The added speeds, over time, could very well be noticeable.
  24. vika09

    vika09 Newcomer, in training

    THE RAPTORS ARE GOOD BUT THE MEMORY IS KINDA LOW FOR GAMING, I suggest getting western digital 160 GB if u r a hardcore gamer,

    my computer is for gaming and video editting hence i use 2 seagate 400 GB SATA's which are very good and large storage as u can see.

    but within your budget i would suggestv the Western Digital SATA 160GB

    if u r changing your mind and wanna break your budget :D

    then get wat i have, my gaming computer is in the IS this a good computer thread, my video editting computer is just 4 GB ram with the 400 GB memory :D

    Good luck with your computer choice anyways!!! ;)
  25. Tedster

    Tedster Techspot old timer..... Posts: 10,067   +13

    well if one has the buckazoids to spend money ad naseum on technology then sure, get a faster drive. As far as I am concerned a few seconds isn't worth the added expense and it isn't really noticable.
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