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Computer wont boot after Northbridge cooler change

Discussion in 'Processors and Motherboards' started by mturbo23, Oct 4, 2006.

  1. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    After purchasing a Zalman passive cooler i installed it into my computer only to find that now the system will not boot.

    The computer has been running fine for about a year now but now it wont boot.
    It has power and all the fans turn on + the hdd makes all the right noises but i dont get any signal to the monitor.
    Also the power LED on the case flashes when it is first started up and then stays on.
    I have taken out all the unecessary parts checked cables and replaced the original cooler but still not luck.

    On the D-Bracket at the back of the Motherboard i have orange and red leds on (2 leds at top 2 at bottom, orange then red at top then red then orange at the bottom) however orange is not in the manual! so cannot troubleshoot it.

    The specs are:
    MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum Motherboard
    2x512mb CL2 DDR
    X800GT PCI express graphics card
    AMD 64 3000 Socket 939
    250GB Maxtor SATA HDD
  2. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    The only possible thing i could of done apart from damaging the motherboard is accidently pushing one of the capacitors (i think thats what they are) but it didnt show any noticable damage.
    Unfortunatly i dont have any spares to test it so will prob hav 2 buy them and hope.
    Cheers
  3. jb444 Newcomer, in training Posts: 113

    What new parts are you going to buy? I wouldnt recommend just buying a new gear without getting the old stuff tested.
  4. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    Hi I am thinking of trying a new motherboard or graphics card, as i think these are the most likely causes.

    I will try the RAM in another machine later but that is the only thing i can test.

    Do you know if i could put my pci express graphics card in another machines normal PCI slot (but that has an AGP graphics card slot not a PCI express?)
  5. Rik Banned Posts: 4,987

    I have an msi manual and it says that the fault is either vga bios or base and extended memory test fail. Try removing ram first, use a pencil eraser on the edge connectors then carefully blow the dust away then refit and try, if that doesn't work then try the same thing with your graphics card.

    A pci express graphics card is called a pci express graphics card because it goes into a pci express slot, trying to fit it into any other slot is a really really bad idea as it will damage the graphics card or the mobo or both.
  6. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    lol ok wont try fitting it in another machine then!

    Will try your suggestions when i get back from work, i can also swap RAM with another machine.

    Thanks
     
  7. Didou Bowtie extraordinair! Posts: 5,898

    Have you properly cleaned the northbridge & re-applied some thermal paste on the northbridge & heatsink surface ? You can also try a clear cmos if you haven't already.
  8. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    Yea have cleaned the northbridge and re-applied the thermal paste.

    Have not tried to clear the CMOS yet, how do i do that?

    Thanks
  9. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    I have tried the RAM in another machine and it is fine as is the power supply.

    I have no other means of trying the rest of hardware.

    Might just take a gamble and go for a new motherboard.

    update: have just had a closer look at the motherboard and have noticed that is has a scratch on it on the underside of the circuitboard. Prob when taking it out of the case!
  10. Rik Banned Posts: 4,987

    Your mobo book will tell you how to clear the cmos!!!!!
  11. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    [IMG]

    here is a pic of the damage.

    what do you think?
  12. Rik Banned Posts: 4,987

    You never said there was any damage before!!!! Its hard to tell from that pic. You need to try to take another one without using the flash and having a lot of light on it instead.
  13. TimeParadoX Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,445

    Is that a glare or a big cold mark on it? It's sortof hard to tell if it's damaged or not, try what Rik said about the lighting
  14. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    [IMG]
    this is the best i can do sorry
  15. Rik Banned Posts: 4,987

    I had a little play around with paintshop pro and as far as i can tell none of the scratches look bad enough to cause a problem!!

    A picture taken in natural light may be easier to work with tho!!!
  16. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    They dont look too bad but the circuitboard is silver where the scratches are and not brown
  17. Rik Banned Posts: 4,987

    The brown stuff is called solder resist and ive seen much more badly scratched pcb's than that that worked fine.

    I spent 15 years in the electronics trade and the last 6 of it as a quality control inspector. If i had your mobo infront of me i recon i could get it working.
  18. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    [IMG]

    just found this on the edge of the circuitboard
  19. mturbo23 Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    So do you think that it could be the graphics card not the motherboard?

    Do you think i could of damaged the Northbridge by trying to put the cooler on? possible static electric? i did make sure the case was plugged in but switched off.

    Thanks for all the help
  20. Rik Banned Posts: 4,987

    That doesnt look bad either!!! The one thing that may help is to very carefully run a very sharp blade inbetween the tracks just to make sure they are not shorting out to one another. If you decide to try this, be very very very careful!!!!!!!!


    [Edit] This may sound strange, but, have you tried removing and refitting the processor? I used to have an MSI 745 Ultra mobo that i sold to a friend that would stop working every time it was moved. I remove and refit the processor and the pc works fine. It is now on its 5th owner, who is another friend, and doing the processor thing works every time.