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Dell Inspiron 1525 and Windows 7's XP Mode

By eyemfedup2
Feb 13, 2010
  1. i just acquired a dell 1525
    specs



    Intel Celeron M 550
    Windows 7 (6.1) Ultimate Edition (Build 7600)
    CPU Arch : 1 CPU - 1 Cores - 1 Threads
    CPU PSN : Intel Celeron CPU 550 @ 2.00GHz
    CPU EXT : MMX, SSE (1, 2, 3, 3S), EM64T
    CPUID : 6.6.1 / Extended : 6.16
    CPU Cache : L1 : 32 / 32 KB - L2 : 1024 KB
    Core : Conroe-L (65 nm) / Stepping : A1

    Freq : 1994.92 MHz (132.99 * 15)
    MB Brand : Dell
    MB Model : 0U990C
    NB : Intel GM965 rev C0
    SB : Intel 82801HBM (ICH8-ME) rev B0

    GPU Type : Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM 1.1)
    DirectX Version : 11.0

    RAM : 4096 MB DDR2 Dual Channel
    RAM Speed : 266 MHz (1:2) @ 4-4-4-12
    Slot 1 : 2048MB (6400)
    Slot 1 Manufacturer : Elpida
    Slot 2 : 2048MB (6400)
    Slot 2 Manufacturer : Elpida
    7200rpm sata HDD

    i put win 7 ultimate 64 bit on it and it seems to work well except the reason i purchased the ultimate 64 ver. was i wanted to be able to run vxp

    i downloaded the xp mode drivers but it wont support the virtual mode

    i understand this is because of the CPU

    does anyone know what i need to do this?

    i would like to max this machine out without melting it down

    it seems to be a pretty good machine so far

    I'm having a little trouble finding the right drivers for everything though
    such as the touch pad does not show up in device manager so I'm running in mouse properties so to speak because i don't know what touch pad dell uses
    in the 1525
    example: synaptics or what and which ver.

    i did get the web cam going but I'm sure it could be better

    i bought it at a mom and pop computer shop and don't know who the previous owner was to transfer the warranty
    still working on that one it would be nice to be able to use customer support

    anyway i think I've maxed out the memory but would like to upgrade CPU to a good duo core if that's possible and either more or faster memory or both

    all the drivers i have I've found at dell.com but switching to win 7 ultimate 64 seems to be making it a little hard

    thanks as always :wave:
     
  2. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    Here is a link for your notebook drivers. But unfortunately it doesn't list windows 7, hence no windows 7 drivers either.

    Now about replacing CPU; I am unable to comment on it because Inspiron 1525 comes in so many flavors; you are better off consulting with Dell anyway as you commented about warranty over there. Hence, if the thing is under warranty don't void it by fiddling around with it; instead take it to dell and ask them what they can do with it; it may cost bit more; but you will retain your warranty.

    Also you may have to update your notebook's bios for a new CPU (if the motherboard supports it in the first place)

    However, having said that, I am not sure what is the dell's policy about replacing CPUs or memory etc. in your locality.

    Lastly, download CPUZ and check motherboard type /revision / bios info etc. I believe you can upgrade to C2D easily if the Motherboard model you gave me is correct.
     
  3. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    please forgive my ignorance but what do you mean by c2d? duo core?
    also i did find out that it is out of its 1year warranty it may still be possible i guess to extend it
    over to me but finding out her info is probably going to be next to impossible as they probably would see it as a privacy issue giving me her info at the mom and pop place especially since I'm a he a she is a she.
    I'm obviously not completely satisfied with this systems options so I'm not sure extending the warranty is in my best interest anyway
    i want to play with it
    i didn't know when buying a dell i would have to pay bucks just to talk to them
    i realize it sounds silly but i have always pretty much had hp for my personal systems and have experimented with other brands to learn
    hp gives you no problems that i have ran into with other brands
    i bought a gateway NV52 for about 540.00 (black Friday )
    it came with win 7 pro and was very impressive to look at i must say
    it was a dog very slow i even payed geek squad to do their optimization
    a little better but not much
    this 1525 is a much faster machine it is a single core and out performs it like you would not believe.
    but live and learn i do miss the speed of the wireless n built in it as i have N setup at home
    much faster downloads
    anyway the 1525 does not support vxp and i had not tried it on the NV52 because it was so slow anyway (i installed ultimate 64 bit on it also) and everything i have read says it could slow it down more.
    i wonder if i would be having these driver issues which have really been mostly resolved
    nothing missing in device manager, if i installed 7pro 32 bit on it?
    or would it really make a difference either way
    my thing is like everyone else i have loads of incompatible or 32 bit software i really like.
    as for the system info i displayed, it was from CPU-z
    that's really the only program i know to use for that sort of thing
    if i have to ill probably pay dell to talk to me about upgrading the CPU but if anyone has had a similar experience with upgrading a socket 479 m class CPU in a laptop I'm open for discussion and advice
    also any info on the process of dealing with dell would be much appreciated as I've been spoiled to the ease and open mindedness of their tech support but i cant live in a box if i want to learn even if i get get burned at times.
    thanks for replying to my post so quickly
    have a great weekend whats left of it LOL
    ps. anybody know what bran of touch pad dell uses?
     
  4. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    1. Sorry, C2D is Intel Core 2 Duo Processor(s) which was launched in 2006 to succeed Pentium 4.

    2. I don't know for sure what is the make of touchpad on that notebook, although I suspect it probably is Alps

    3. I would advise you to step down to 32bit Version of OS which came with this notebook; it will not only improve performance a notch for you, but also your driver issues will be resolved. Because, Dell has no Windows 7 drivers up on their site; and you'll be forced to make do without some hardware (e.g. touch pad in this case).

    Now having cleared that out of the way, as this machine is out of warranty:

    4. Extending its warranty is not the best bang for your buck; nor is simply replacing the processor, I mean the onboard vga in that machine is 'awful' beyond the point of normal business/productivity software related use.

    If I can be of any further help, please let me know.
     
  5. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    bummer

    thanks for the info
    although a bit of a let down i must say
    I'm one of the many waiting on the promise of a true 64 bit system

    i got all excited when i bought win 7 64bit software knowing i could still run my old stuff too

    laptops are so proprietary

    i miss the ability of customizing your own setup like the desktops

    i guess ill install 32bit OS still win 7, i do like it although why they got rid of my classic view ill never understand

    ill continue my quest for a laptop system that can handle the 64 bit OS and operate the vxd mode any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

    i did find a list of the different inspiron 1525 CPU's but i guess i would have to buy it from dell to get the motherboard software correct?

    thanks :dead:
     
  6. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    Well I have been looking around since my last post, and here are few options as I was kind of suspecting you want to fiddle around with this machine ;)

    1. Intel Core 2 Duo T7250.
    2. Intel Core 2 Duo T7400

    Both of these processors support Intel Virtualization Technology & EMT64 (64 bit capability).

    Precautions:

    1. Dell uses same motherboard as yours for Core 2 Duo CPUs as well; but I have been unable to find if there may be some sort of board revision from where onward new CPUs are supported (so its something you need to get checked from dell)
    2. If that board supports the new processors, you may need to upgrade your BIOS.
    3. Also ask them to advise about the Power supply capability of handling a more powerful CPU; I hope Dell has used the standard components used for Core 2 Duo notebooks though. (Both of these processors has TDP of 34 & 35 watts respectively).

    Regards.
     
  7. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    i have done some research and it seems some inspiron 1525's come with a t8100
    my bios is set for duo core enabled
    do i need to have anything else or is that it
    i found the cpu for 89.00
    just waiting for more info
    as always thanks
     
  8. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    As long as your Bios/motherboard supports it, I think you should be fine according to info about this processor at Intel's site.
     
  9. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    1525 t8100 reply

    ok how do i find out
    965 chipset
    479 soket
     
  10. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    Here is Intel's specs page for this CPU. In all probability it should work with your board IMHO.
     
  11. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    hi all thanks for the link very helpful
    OK here is a chart of my candidates

    Compare Intel® Products
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    Name Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T7250 (2M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)
    Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T7400 (4M Cache, 2.16 GHz, 667 MHz FSB)
    Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T8100 (3M Cache, 2.10 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)
    Intel® Celeron® Processor 550 (1M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 533 MHz FSB)

    Status Launched Launched Launched Launched
    Launch Date Q3'07 Q3'06 Q1'08 Q1'08
    Processor Number T7250 T7400 T8100 550
    # of Cores 2 2 2 1
    # of Threads 2 2 2 1
    Processor Base Frequency 2 GHz 2.16 GHz 2.1 GHz 2 GHz
    Cache 2 MB L2 Cache 4 MB L2 Cache 3 MB L2 Cache 1 MB L2 Cache
    Bus/Core Ratio 10 13 10.5 15
    Bus Type FSB FSB FSB FSB
    System Bus 800 MHz 667 MHz 800 MHz 533 MHz
    FSB Parity No No No No
    Instruction Set 64-bit 64-bit 64-bit 64-bit
    Embedded No Yes No Yes
    Supplemental SKU No No No No
    Processing Die Lithography 65 nm 65 nm 45 nm 65 nm
    Max TDP 35 W 34 W 35 W 31 W
    VID Voltage Range 1.075V-1.175V 1.1625V-1.300V 1.000V-1.250V 0.95V-1.30V
    1ku Bulk Budgetary Price $209.00 $295.00 $209.00 $86.00
    Memory Specifications
    Physical Address Extensions 32-bit
    ECC Memory Supported No
    Package Specifications
    TCASE 100°C 100°C 100°C
    TJUNCTION 100°C 100°C 105°C 100°C
    Package Size 35mm x 35mm 35mm x 35mm 35mm x 35mm 35mm x 35mm
    Processing Die Lithography 65 nm 65 nm 45 nm 65 nm
    Processing Die Size 143 mm2 143 mm2 107 mm2 143 mm2
    # of Processing Die Transistors 291 million 291 million 410 million 291 million
    Sockets Supported PBGA479, PPGA478 PBGA479, PPGA478 BGA479, PGA478 PBGA479, PPGA478
    Halogen Free Options Available No No Yes No
    Advanced Technologies
    Intel® Turbo Boost Technology No No No No
    Intel® Hyper-Threading Technology No No No No
    Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) Yes Yes Yes No
    Intel® Trusted Execution Technology No No No No
    Intel® 64 Yes Yes Yes Yes
    Idle States No Yes No
    Enhanced Intel® Speedstep Technology Yes Yes Yes No
    Intel® Demand Based Switching No No No No
    Execute Disable Bit Yes Yes Yes Yes

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    the Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T7400 (4M Cache, 2.16 GHz, 667 MHz FSB)
    obviously has more cache and is a fsater cpu but it only has a 667 FBS rateing
    and a 32bit Physical Address Extension
    it is embeded like my m550 (whatever that means) and no idle states???

    they all seem to support gm965 chipset
    the T8100 supports socket BGA479, PGA478

    the others , as does my m550 support the PBGA479, PPGA478 socket

    so
    as it seems the T7400 seems to be the best match for my upgrade except the 32 bit thing right? and the slower FSB which means slower memory 667 instead of 800

    so i guess what do you guys think is the best choice ?

    does the socket still match the T8100 ?

    what does embedded mean ?

    and what exactly does a 32 bit physical address extension mean?
    it sounds to me like a step backwards from 64 to me?

    no turbo boost?

    i cant find out what my max FBS is on my motherboard anywhere.

    i know this is allot of info but i know you guys eat this stuff

    as always thanks for your help
     
     
  12. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    Well to doubly make sure, download CPUZ and run it, it will tell you details about your processor/socket/fsb etc. as well as motherboard name/model. That will help in clearing any doubts about this possible upgrade.
     
  13. LookinAround

    LookinAround TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 8,373   +167

    I haven't read through the whole thread, so forgive me if any of this info is redundant/ was already covered but thought these links might be helpful in general

    See this post and the links within
    => Don't know which CPUs you are looking at but beware that some CPU model numbers may or may not support virtualization based on its version even tho the model number is the same (you must be careful to check the model's version level)

    Also, see this link MS
     
  14. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    @LA
    Thanks for the links; when I advised on his query about T8100, I did checked intel's site for VT and other info, and that CPU do support VT.

    The problem lies in one thing; the time his current notebook was shipped Dell was also selling this model with T8100 processors, so I believe this is the same motherboard; however, I want to ensure it, also he may have to upgrade BIOS. Hence, I requested him to give me info about motherboard above.

    @eyemfedup2
    You have win7 Ultimate and if you use some old applications (e.g. games); you may end up needing VT, so I would suggest you to go through links provided by LA, as they should help you in making a more informed decision.
     
  15. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    thats ok but i do still have a few questions if you dont mind
    i know it was a long post but maybe you can answer this
    the Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T7400 (4M Cache, 2.16 GHz, 667 MHz FSB)
    obviously has more cache and is a fsater cpu but it only has a 667 FBS rateing
    and a 32bit Physical Address Extension
    it is embeded like my m550 (whatever that means) and no idle states???

    they all seem to support gm965 chipset
    the T8100 supports socket BGA479, PGA478

    the others , as does my m550 support the PBGA479, PPGA478 socket

    so
    as it seems the T7400 seems to be the best match for my upgrade except the 32 bit thing right? and the slower FSB which means slower memory 667 instead of 800

    so i guess what do you guys think is the best choice ?

    does the socket still match the T8100 ?

    what does embedded mean ?
    thanks

    and what exactly does a 32 bit physical address extension mean?
    it sounds to me like a step backwards from 64 to me?

    no turbo boost?

    i cant find out what my max FBS is on my motherboard anywhere.
     
  16. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    1. Don't worry about few %age of performance loss due to slower FSB (I'm assuming here you want T7400), think of it as data bandwidth of CPU (i.e. FSB), hence more can be better. Also, extra cache will help you in certain conditions; therefore, the more is better in Core 2's case, due to its wider execution pipeline.

    2. Core 2 Duo T7400 does have EMT64 i.e. its a 64bit CPU & supports VT as well.

    3. I doubt your CPU is embedded one; as its a Socket P processor as far as I know, hence you can replace it by just pulling it out, and putting in new one. However, you may have to upgrade your motherboard's BIOS before pulling out the old processor and putting in the new one.

    4. As I asked you earlier, please download CPUZ, it will give you details about your current CPU, the socket in which sits in, FSB details, motherboard's make/model etc.
     
  17. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    OK problem people
    after you would not believe i received a t7400 ordered for my inspiroron 1525
    the CPU wont fit
    what?
    i did allot of homework on this one but i guess not good enough
    i have 6 more days for a refund
    or i would just prefer an exchange to an adequate duo core

    i have a m550 in it now

    the whole deal is running win7 ultimate and vxp mode

    I'm at a loss

    i have a xps m170 but i don't believe that it will work in it either

    i want to upgrade my 1525 to a duo core and stay around the 2 ghz range

    what to do

    SOS
     
  18. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    Well I am unsure what you mean with 'won't fit'. As these Intel links clearly show both of these processors have same socket (only issue may have been bios upgrade/board revision; but not the socket).

    Core 2 T7400

    Celeron 550

    Specifically look at the socket types (i.e. PBGA479, PPGA478).
     
  19. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    yes
    i thought so too
    but without forcing it (i have replaced cups a thousand times by now)
    i line it up even noticing the pin configuration and the small notch in the corner of the
    socket where there are no pin holes (didn't know what to call them)
    it will not easily drop in at all
    its like its being held up not in the corner but close to it

    the pins are perfectly strait

    i didn't get in any hurry to put it in but i tried multiple times

    it just wont drop in??? (the pins are perfectly strait) and orientation is correct??

    as always thanks and i appreciate any help
     
  20. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    I am absolutely at loss; as the sockets are same, hence it should accept the CPU with no fuzz at all. If you can find some tech support about this from your local IT store etc. I guess it would be more prudent, as there is not much time for refund left now.
     
  21. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    i found a guy that will trade for a t7300
    any info about specs would be cool
    thanks again at a loss also
     
  22. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    Here is info about T7300. However, do consider my earlier advice in the last post.
     
  23. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    OK
    to clear the confusion
    i understood as you
    but one is socket p and one m
    obviously dell has more than one mobo they put in the inspiron 1525
    so it seems you where correct
    dell just doesn't seem to want to share info without charging an arm and a leg
    back to hp i guess for my own machines, great customer support
    cant live in a box though if i want to learn
    I'm only glad i can pass this on so as to avoid confusion for someone else. live and learn but sometimes it hurts. took a little bit of a loss.
    i like you, read the same stuff on the CPU it seems they have more than one mobo for my machine as i said earlier
    ill let you know how this works out, i should get the t7300 in about a week
    thanks again you guys are the greatest
     
  24. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    You are welcome; and thankyou for your update. Though, keep us posted whatever may be the result; and let us know if we can be of any further help.
     
  25. eyemfedup2

    eyemfedup2 TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 204

    can u send me the intel cpu comparison link again cant find it
    t7300 rocks in my 1525
    thanks
     
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