You know more than me then, but I am sure that is hardly surprising
If I had a dollar for every time a fan of the red team cried immature drivers, I would have many more dollars than I do now. The Fury X was released 6 weeks ago now and since it doesn’t use a new architecture how long do we have to wait for mature drivers? Since you are telling us to wait please put a number on it. Also how do you suppose HBM and drivers are in any way related?
As others have already pointed out there isn’t going to be a non-reference Fury X, at least not according to AMD so how long do we need to wait for that?
Obviously if something drastic changes we will re-evaluate but it is crazy to suggest we hold off telling our readers which the better buy is right now on the off chance that something changes in the future, something unlikely I might add.
"Also how do you suppose HBM and drivers are in any way related?"
Entirely new memory architecture is going to be much harder that simply changing the timings for a GDDR5 interface. I don't really get how it's hard to grasp that new technologies like this have taken awhile to optimize for. Remember when multi-core processors first came out? Hyper-Threading? Tessellation Units on GPUs?
I hate sounding like a broken record but I did NOT say this article should be held and no amount of "fanboy this or fanboy that" is going to change it. It's shameful to play the fanboy card. In general, the driver card shouldn't work. In this case, when introducing a new technology like HBM, AMD deserves some slack.
Newsflash guy. Most graphics hardware has driver issues at launch, or with new games/game engines/features, or a combination of both - the difference is most people don't resort to saddo straw man arguments.
Show me an instance where I have applied a different metric regarding Nvidia graphics cards.
When you don't find me making excuses and calling unfair because of drivers, I hope you'll have the good grace to offer an apology as quickly as throw around accusations.
/wont be holding my breath.
I'm guessing you don't either.
Moreover, there is more than enough anecdotal evidence to show that enthusiasts place a higher value on overclocking and performance in the days and weeks following launch. Any perusal of enthusiast forums and benchmark result ladders would tend to reinforce that point. Check out any enthusiast card thread and see what kind of activity is evident 4, 5, or 6 months after it was initiated.
So based on your first paragraph, why are you even complaining? If AMD drivers are having issues and you expect it, what are you doing singling them out for it.
"the difference is most people don't resort to saddo straw man arguments."
I've "conversed" with you many times on this forum and you always to result to petty generalization when you can't tactfully provide a cogent reply. This adds nothing to what has been said.
"Show me an instance where I have applied a different metric regarding Nvidia graphics cards."
This conversation isn't about you, nor would me doing so add anything to the conversation. Chance to derail denied.
"When you don't find me making excuses and calling unfair because of drivers, I hope you'll have the good grace to offer an apology as quickly as throw around accusations."
You're a rather conceited person, aren't you?
Your last paragraph completely avoid the topic. You said
"I'm guessing you don't either.
Moreover, there is more than enough anecdotal evidence to show that enthusiasts place a higher value on overclocking and performance in the days and weeks following launch. Any perusal of enthusiast forums and benchmark result ladders would tend to reinforce that point. Check out any enthusiast card thread and see what kind of activity is evident 4, 5, or 6 months after it was initiated."
but it doesn't make any sense given the conversation was this
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"they will think"ok, what card is the best I can get RIGHT NOW, given the budget?" People who buy $650 cards expect them to work when they are purchased, not at some random point."
So what your saying is that people don't care about their rig's performance in the future? Cuz everyone has $600 to drop on a top end card every year. Fact is, expected future performance does play a factor in buying a card. Any notion otherwise is just shortsighted stupidity. I'm guessing that you don't speak for every enthusiast.
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You complete avoid the great blunder you made and refuse to even try talk about the fact that you said enthusiasts don't care about future performance. As if the longevity doesn't matter on a card as expensive as that.
"Moreover, there is more than enough anecdotal evidence to show that enthusiasts place a higher value on overclocking and performance in the days and weeks following launch. "
Look who's speaker for others again. Of course, you made sure to avoid the issue I pointed out above and add "in the days and weeks following launch" to avoid this point from being subject to the same problem.