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Few questions regarding gaming PC build

By Obzoleet
Aug 12, 2013
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  1. Hello there

    I am looking into buying a gaming PC and since I am not very PC hardware savy I figured id post and check with you guys,

    I have looked around since I found a lot of threads with similar questions but I would still need some more answers,

    My budget is around max 750 pounds, I am currently using a laptop which runs like crap at the moment and I am just sick of playing on low settings.

    I would like to be able to play games like skyrim on max ( even ultra with a few addons if possible) and then BF4 when it comes out and so on, hoping that my budget is able to do that.

    I have all the needed peripherals already, I am playing on a 27 inch LED screen which has been working fabulous with my laptop ( On low graphics -.- )

    So far I have been looking around on a website named www.pcspecialist.co.uk since I live in UK and it seems like ok prices. (I have no idea tbh)

    First I went to the AMD custom build section on http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/amd-fm2-richland/
    and set myself up with this build :

    Processor : AMD A10-6800K Quad Core APU (4.4GHz) & Radeon™ HD 8670D Graphics
    Motherboard : ASUS® F2A85-M: (M-ATX, DDR3, USB 3.0, 6Gb/s)
    Memory (RAM) : 8GB KINGSTON HYPERX BEAST DUAL-DDR3 2400MHz X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT)
    Graphics Card : 3GB AMD RADEON™ HD7950 - DVI,HDMI,2 mDP - DX® 11, Eyefinity 4
    Memory - 1st Hard Disk 500GB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 16MB CACHE
    Power Supply 650W FSP RAIDER SERIES RA-650 80 PLUS® BRONZE
    Processor Cooling : Super Quiet 22dBA Cooler TITAN

    This roughly ended up on 722£

    When I grew up it was always said AMD is the best for gaming...As you might figure out that was quite some time ago :)

    [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]I read around and apparently Intel is the stuff you want right now so said and done, I headed over to the Intel custom PC builder on [url]http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/intel-haswell-pc/[/url][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]

    I tried building it and it basically blew my budget away , I have no idea what parts are good and if they are overpriced.

    So first off, Is the AMD build I made solid for gaming or is Intel actually the **** you want today and if so, can you go to the site and build me an awesome computer within the 750£ budget?

    Any tips or recommendations are very welcome, for example if there is a better site I should use of if I should just browse amazon for the single parts and order them and build it myself (I can build it np, I think..:D )

    Thanks for taking your time with this!


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    Oh and I forgot, I am gaming at 1920x1080 :)
     
  2. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    With that budget, you can easily get an Intel based system. I think AMD is a better choice though since it leaves room for a better GPU. This is what I recommend: http://goo.gl/JW4Tt6. If you need Windows 7, I will need to downgrade some components.
     
  3. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,370   +125

    I like your choices except the power supply and the RAM.
    I can't check now but for example, at least from newegg, you can sometimes find GSKill 8GB 2400MHZ RAM for about $50.
     
  4. Obzoleet

    Obzoleet TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 167   +7

    I do have a windows 7 copy already. Also I am thinking that I would only need a 500 gb HDD, I am aiming of buying a 120 gb SSD aswell, I will only do gaming on the computer aswell as casually web browsing / watching movies so I don't think I need a whole TB of HDD.

    What I did was that I went to check Crysis 3 max setting performance test and I could see that Geforce GTX 680 was in a clear lead, is the GTX 760 better or atleast as good?

    Oh and also, when I was younger I was always advised to not mix AMD CPU and GeForce and instead always go with a Radeon graphic card instead since otherwise my hardware would go BSOD on me (Bluescreen of death)

    Is that just a myth or could there eventually be problem with that?

    Thank you so much for taking your time to have a look at this!

    I see, I will definitely look into it, but I do really like the choices that JC713 set me up with so will try to build from the list he gave me instead :)

    I Have been looking through your list and the PSU had mostly bad reviews so I looked up another one,

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Gam...F8&qid=1376380468&sr=1-9&keywords=650 corsair

    Would this be viable?

    Oh and also, with this motherboard and all, will I be able to fit in an SSD?

    Thanks! :)
     
  5. Obzoleet

    Obzoleet TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 167   +7

    I have decided to go with the items provided by JC713 in the https://www.dropbox.com/s/cwktmsueqrkb48c/Build.png build exept the PSU.

    Also I am wondering, there are 2 different motherboards on this list, what is the difference between them exept the price? Do they both support SSD and if so, can you recommend an 120 ish GB SSD that I should buy with this?

    On top of that I looked into the graphic cards some more in same priceclass and came upon

    [​IMG]
    Sapphire AMD Radeon HD 7950 Graphics Card with Boost (3GB, GDDR5, PCI Express 3.0, HDMI, DVI-I, 2x Mini Display Port, 384-Bit, AMD HD3D Technology)

    and

    EVGA Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 Superclocked ACX 2GB GDDR5 Graphics Card


    Is it better with 3GB Radeon 7950 instead of the GTX 760? if not, should I got with the GTX 760 ACX that I linked? the price difference is only 12 pounds.

    Sorry for all the questions, I hope I am clear enough in my questions :)
     
  6. slh28

    slh28 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,925   +170

    That's a myth.
    Although actually I reckon you can get an i5 4570 + H87 motherboard for around the same price which will run cooler and use way less power, not to mention far superior single threaded performance.
     
  7. Obzoleet

    Obzoleet TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 167   +7


    So for gaming, I would want an i5 4570 + the H87 motherboard instead of the FX8350 4.0/4.2 and the M5A97 motherboard?
     
  8. slh28

    slh28 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,925   +170

    Yeah that's what I would go for, considering it would only be about £20 more.
     
  9. Obzoleet

    Obzoleet TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 167   +7

    I looked the motherboard up and found one which has WIFI which Id like, Gigabyte H87N-WIFI Motherboard

    Will it work with the i5 4570 and the other items in the previous build that JC713 provided?

    Thanks! :)
     
  10. slh28

    slh28 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,925   +170

    That's a great motherboard but it's mini-ITX and only has one expansion slot which will be taken up with the GPU. This Asus H87M-PLUS is probably a better choice, if you need wifi then just get a cheap PCI or PCI-E wifi card. Either that or you can turn it into a neat little mini-ITX build.

    As for the PSU Corsair's GS line aren't the best and you don't need anywhere near 700W with a non-K Intel build so I'd go with this XFX 550W.
     
  11. Obzoleet

    Obzoleet TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 167   +7


    Oh I see, ill go with the Asus H87M-PLUS motherboard then := thanks for letting me know!

    However regarding the PSU ive read up on the graphic cards I am thinking of using and it seems they would require atleast 600ish PSU if I recall right, I looked around a little and found a 650w for the same price so I will probably go with something like that, just to make sure, cant hurt to have a little more right?
     
     
  12. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    The 8350 can be OCed though. If you can fit in an SSD, go for it! The 680 is out of your budget and is almost equivalent to the 760 in terms of performance.
     
  13. slh28

    slh28 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,925   +170

    Yeah but overclocking the 8350 means even more power, heat and noise, plus the cost of an aftermarket cooler brings it to the same as an i5 anyway. Since this is a gaming PC I don't think the OP is going to make use of the extra cores/threads.

    Be aware that the headline wattage figure on PSUs is misleading and quality varies hugely, you basically get what you pay for. A GTX 760 system uses less than 300W under load and that test was done using an i7 3960X.
     
    JC713 likes this.
  14. Obzoleet

    Obzoleet TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 167   +7

    Alright, well I was thinking of just putting in the extra money for the SSD.

    regarding the graphic cards,

    the EVGA Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 Superclocked ACX 2GB GDDR5 Graphics Card

    is the same cost as

    [​IMG]
    Sapphire AMD Radeon HD 7950 Graphics Card with Boost (3GB, GDDR5, PCI Express 3.0, HDMI, DVI-I, 2x Mini Display Port, 384-Bit, AMD HD3D Technology)

    Is the 760 more worth the money?

    Also I have decided to go with this case since I really like the looks of it, however I am not sure if everything will fit in it,

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aerocool-Sy...TF8&colid=1SVT3R4TWPH7D&coliid=I27PSS40ID586I

    Would the build we have discussed fit in this case?

    Thanks! :)
     
  15. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    Cool case. As for the 7950, it is probably a better choice over the 760, but I personally do not like Sapphire. But if you do not mind, then just buy it over the 760. The 7950 has 3GB of GDDR5 and a high memory bandwidth--this will allow for greater future-proofing.

    Tell me the parts you decided on for your final build.
     
  16. slh28

    slh28 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,925   +170

    Depends what games you play, check out the GTX 760 review. Nvidia's drivers are generally better but the 7950 is a very good overclocker and has the extra 1GB VRAM (which you most likely won't need at 1080p) and they both cost the same so it's a bit of a dead heat really.
     
  17. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,020   +913

    I think you should wait for the 9000 series since they will drive down 7000 series prices.
     
  18. Obzoleet

    Obzoleet TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 167   +7

    Hello again!

    I have decided what I would like to go for, it is all in an amazon wish list,

    Here is the link> http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/1SVT3R4TWPH7D

    If you could take time to look at it that would be great, is this all compatible?

    Is there something I have forgotten and do you have any suggestions?

    Any opinion is appreciated, I am not very savy in building a PC so I am fully aware of that this might not be a great build :)

    Thanks!
     
  19. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,370   +125

    Could do better on the CPU cooler and power supply.
    You don't need a K version of the CPU if you're not overclocking.
     
  20. Obzoleet

    Obzoleet TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 167   +7

    Okay, can you suggest anything better in the same pricerange?

    I wont be overclocking (I don't know how to)
     
  21. slh28

    slh28 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,925   +170

    Go with the i5 4570 I suggested earlier if you're not overclocking. The stock Intel cooler will be fine for that CPU as it runs very cool.

    The PSU is ok but you don't need 750W for your build, 500-600W is more than enough. If you're thinking of adding another card in SLI in the future then by all means get a 750W PSU but you need to change the motherboard to an SLI capable one.

    Either get the Samsung 840 Pro or the Crucial M500, the regular Samsung 840 is not really recommended.

    Anyway looks like a good build!
     
  22. Obzoleet

    Obzoleet TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 167   +7


    Alright, I downgraded the CPU to the 4570 as you said ( I was carried away by the higher numbers and there was a K in the end of the other, that must mean something cool :D)

    regarding the PSU I was on Asus website and they have a PSU check, so you can input your setup and they will tell you what PSU power you will need, and when I did that I was told atleast 700 . hence I put a 750w in the list.

    But I guess I could go with a 600w, but are you sure? :)

    I I have added the PRO SSD instead, but what is the bad thing about the usual 840 SSD? its 40 pounds cheaper so I guess there must be something?

    Thanks for taking your time with this :)
     
  23. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,370   +125

    There's nothing wrong with the regular 840.
     
  24. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder TS Evangelist Posts: 2,262   +541

    I personally think you should get the 7950 over the GTX 760, it comes with 3 free games and will be a bit better in gaming over the 760 (It is ranked around a 660ti from last gen ive seen and the 660ti was below a 7950).
     
  25. Obzoleet

    Obzoleet TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 167   +7

    I hope not since I would rather save a few pennies,

    Do you know what the actual difference is between those 2?

    Thanks!
     


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