Gentoo Linux -- Tackle it

By acidosmosis
Oct 22, 2003
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  1. I get bored sometimes and I like to try and tackle something challenging just for the fun of it so I started working with Gentoo linux last night to see if I could get it installed. I got about half way through and ran into two or three problems. One being my partitions seem to have gotten corrupted half way through the installation and the second time I couldn't get the tar files to uncompress without getting some errors which stopped it from completing. I will eventually get it and I'm sure if you have a decent amount of knowledge anyone can eventually get it done. Anyway, I thought it would be nice to have a thread for people wanting to tackle Gentoo.


    Gentoo Linux Official Site
    www.gentoo.org

    Download Gentoo Linux (and other distro's)
    http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=45

    You will need at least Disk 1. I assume most of you will want the Pentium 4 GRP Install Disk(s) or the Athlon XP GRP Install Disk(s).

    Installation Instructions (for x86 users -- thats for most of you)
    http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml

    Comment: If you don't know whether you fall under x86 I honestly suggest you don't try to install Gentoo because you need to learn a bit more. No offence but you don't want a huge headache over this for nothing. (Although that Gentoo loading screen when you boot from the CD is pretty durn cool I have to say so it might be worth checking that out).

    You can also install Gentoo on a MAC if you wish by downloading the PPC Disk's here http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=45 and consulting the PPC installation instructions
    here http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-ppc-install.xml
  2. MattG

    MattG Newcomer, in training Posts: 147

    Yes, i tried to install Gentoo back when i didnt know anything. I printed the entire install manual and still couldnt get it right...its very difficult. But Gentoo is a powerful OS once installed, updates and packages at the type of a command.

    Portage system rocks.
  3. deus

    deus Newcomer, in training

    Gentoo is pretty tough to install, but if you start with a stage 3 tarball it should be fairly straightforward. I do love the portage system though. One of these days I'm going to install it again on a system just to play around with it some more :)

    --deus
  4. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Topic Starter Posts: 1,574

    Deus, I started out with 3 then gave 1 a try.

    I know that whatever I did wrong was just a stupid mistake each time I tried and it's going to take a few times to get it right but I'll eventually get it :p.

    Of course, if you can tell me exactly everything to type and save me the time that would be even better :p.
  5. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

    Uh...I installed Slackware and got it right easy, and it's a whole lot harder than Gentoo...and it's quite a bit better as well:

    http://www.slackware.com
  6. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 Newcomer, in training Posts: 6,504

    I thought that Gentoo was harder than Slackware. Slackware is not bad at all.

    These things are interesting, but if you want to get into UNIX, I would just install Red Hat or Mandrake and start looking at what it actually does, how it works, etc.
  7. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Topic Starter Posts: 1,574

    It wasn't so much about learning Linux, but more that I wanted to just give Gentoo a try, curiosity mostly.

    We decided to run Red Hat on a PC at work, and I am running Linux most of the time on at least one PC at home.
  8. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 Newcomer, in training Posts: 6,504

    oh, i dare say if you get that (gentoo) working just fine you will learn a bit - you will certainly sharpen your UNIX skills.
  9. Justin

    Justin Newcomer, in training Posts: 1,595

    I installed gentoo on my first try a long time ago. I adore it.

    wicka wicka, what are you talking about? If you call slackware more difficult to install than gentoo, you've never even attempted to install gentoo.

    Gentoo is by far my favorite distrobution.
  10. MattG

    MattG Newcomer, in training Posts: 147

    Yes, Gentoo is very hard to install, and very time consuming as your compiling well the entire OS lol.

    Slackware can be installed in like 10 minutes, very simple.

    Im running mandrake, and am loving it so far.
  11. filthy_mcnasty

    filthy_mcnasty Newcomer, in training Posts: 89

    i just installed mandrake and found it very easy and have had only minor problems (w/ mouse and such).

    my friend is a very computer savy person and he just tried installing gentoo and he failed miserably. he had to get someone else to install it for him. so yeah, apparently it's pretty hard.
    i use mandrake at home and red hat at school and i like them both. they do what i need just fine.
     
  12. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Topic Starter Posts: 1,574

    Yea, RH and Mandrake are pretty easy distro's to install. Also very easy to dual boot a Windows installation with both. Easier if you install Windows first though since Windows will install it's own bootloader over Linux's.
  13. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

    I'd say you're right, but then again ya gotta wonder why I get Gnoppix confused with Gentoo.../smacks self.

    No I've never tried Gentoo but it seems that I'm gonna have to now ;) Slack is working fine for me tho.
  14. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 Newcomer, in training Posts: 6,504

    If the Linux you have is working for you, there's much to say for sticking with it and learning more about UNIX, rather than learning how to install more operating systems. But then, that's fun too, so you could always do both.
  15. Justin

    Justin Newcomer, in training Posts: 1,595

    Quoth the dreamer,

    "Linux is the future"
  16. Justin

    Justin Newcomer, in training Posts: 1,595

    And speaking of gentoo, I installed it tonight from stage 1 on an athlon xp 2000+ machine w/512mb PC2100. It's now running beautifully, compiling kde.
  17. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

    Wow, I just talked to one big Linux-know-it-all guy, and he told me even he couldn't get Gentoo installed...I think I'll pass on that...
  18. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 Newcomer, in training Posts: 6,504

    I've been into UNIX for 5 years and probably am shortly going to get a job working with it, and I thought Gentoo was... well, not hard as such, more awkward.

    Personally, when viewing the finished product, I didn't really see the advantage. You can doctor a red hat install to the extent that its just as tweaked, and all you will basically learn is how to work the gentoo installer, which is all text based pretty much. I'd be more likely to recommend that you get a good linux on your machine that will support all of your hardware well, and then learn to work it - start messing with Apache, Tomcat, programming in C and C++, BASH, learning how to alter scripts, etc. That's going to teach you more (much!) and going to do you better then basically learning to install some obscure OS that you will probably never see again outside of your own PC.

    However, as an exercise in OS hacking, its a good bit of fun if you have the patience. Personally, after fooling with it for most of a weekend, I decided to stick with Red Hat, Slackware and Mandrake.
  19. Justin

    Justin Newcomer, in training Posts: 1,595

    That isn't the point. The point is the optimization level potential far exceeds other distros and, once installed, gentoo is incredibly easy to keep fully up to date.

    One simple command, emerge -u world, and suddenly your entire system is now fully patched with all current bug fixes and security fixes.

    And gentoos installer isn't an installer - It's about as close to LFS as you're going to get. Basically it is giving you a shell, some tools, and a tar'ed base... then of course it gives you emerge.. theoretically you could use it just as easily to prep any linux installation. I personally use my gentoo liveCD as a rescue disc for my other machines.
  20. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 Newcomer, in training Posts: 6,504

    You raise some interesting points, which as a computer enthusiast and a UNIX enthusiast, I do take on board.

    Red Hat, Debian, even FreeBSD have exactly similar things. I would say that that's not a benefit of gentoo - its a benefit of open source software. With lots of legal barriers broken down, we can provide systems that are as efficient at updating and patching as windowsupdate.microsoft.com , but are there to provide updates for ALL of your installed system - word processors and programming tools and source code - in one go - NOT JUST the OS. But these things are a feature of linux in general, and the open source movement - not something which gentoo exclusively brings.

    Red Carpet, an update delivery tool for XIMIAN GNOME, which installs on several Linuxes, has an excellent graphical interface and command line tool.

    Doesn't Debian have apt-get... that update tool that you just point at some server and don't have to worry any more??


    I am interested to know why you said this:

    I am not contesting, agreeing or disagreeing, but could you elaborate further??? If there's something interesting I am not aware of, I will gladly install this OS again. I always keep an open mind with computers. I've been very surprised before with some things.
  21. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

    Yeah Phantasm, I think I'm gonna stick with Slackware from now on...as for programming I'm gonna learn Python probably, because it is pretty easy and yet quite powerful.
  22. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 Newcomer, in training Posts: 6,504

    That sounds like a good plan. Look at Perl as well, that would be nice.
  23. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

  24. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 Newcomer, in training Posts: 6,504

    Funnily enough, I read that very document for the first time today.
  25. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

    Wait, you mean you read it before I posted it?
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