Got the 4870 and it seems like an excellent card... the problem I'm having is the card crashes whenever I play UT2K4. The crashes are pretty bad to... crashes results in alot of gibberish around my screen... different colors with letters and numbers everywhere. Whats strange is that it doesn't do this in other games. Just ut2k4. I had a 7900GS video card installed the first time. I used the add/remove to remove the drivers and installed in the ATI drivers. Could it be that some NV drivers that are still lurking in my system could be causing the crashes? Perhaps a full reinstall of xp is needed.