In leaked benchmarks, AMD Zen falls short of Intel Haswell, but shows promise nonetheless

[yRaz]

I already provided much more detailed analysis. Author says:



So author is strictly saying that 58% increase on IPC compared to AMD's last generation part is "not great start".

"(y)"



Once again:



Author clearly states that IF these benchmarks are accurate, THEN it's not great start to Zen.

Now, IF 58% increase on IPC over last generation is not great start, THEN what is?

Look, you obviously know a decide bit, but you should use that information differently. You could be a significant contributor the the community, but this is not how you go about it. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

 

[Squid Surprise]

What IS would be it outperforming old tech.... Which it didn't.... Just go away and stop trolling....

 

[yRaz]

What IS would be it outperforming old tech.... Which it didn't.... Just go away and stop trolling....

He's putting too much work into his posts to be a troll

 

[cliffordcooley]

What he is doing is putting too much stress in a review of an engineering sample. He needs to shut up and then come back with his points of view in the final release.

 

[yRaz]

What he is doing is putting too much stress in a review of an engineering sample. He needs to shut up and then come back with his points of view in the final release.

That's not a good way of inviting intelligent people to the community. Perhaps he is immature in his knowledge, but he DOES know what he's talking about.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Sure, but all that over an engineering sample. Save it for a topic that deserves critical thinking.

 

[yRaz]

Sure, but all that over an engineering sample. Save it for a topic that deserves critical thinking.

Allow him the freedom to redeem himself in further posts. He's obviously capable, you don't need to be as much of a **** as he was.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Was? That seems to suggest he stopped and if that is the case I will to. So which is it? Is he still needlessly rambling or not? He can redeem himself when Zen is released.

 

[lazer]

Maybe I missed it, but how does it compare to i3?

 

[HardReset]

Look, you obviously know a decide bit, but you should use that information differently. You could be a significant contributor the the community, but this is not how you go about it. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

Differently? How? This is another example where Techspot article contais serious errors and despite proof for those errors are provided, about only thing that happens is that Steve says "there is nothing wrong in article".

Despite at least 15 users in this thread think there is something wrong in article.

What IS would be it outperforming old tech.... Which it didn't.... Just go away and stop trolling....

Using your logic, Intel's octa cores always suck because they cannot outperform old tech "(y)"

You are zero knowledge about this CPU's, you constantly say other users are trolls... WTF is your contribution to this thread? Upvoting Intel fanclub users' posts but nothing else.

What he is doing is putting too much stress in a review of an engineering sample. He needs to shut up and then come back with his points of view in the final release.

This thread is about Zen engineering sample results. If what you said is the case, then why this thread is still open to write? Or perhaps it's better to ask why this thread even never existed?

 

[HardReset]

Maybe I missed it, but how does it compare to i3?

i3 is generally slower than i5 when using at least 4 cores so Zen should win larger margin than it wins i5-4670K.

You can also get results from Ashes Of Singularity website. Category metaverse. You can find that website just copypasting Google what I wrote at end of first sentence. Then you cna compare results to those given on article.

 

[yRaz]

Was? That seems to suggest he stopped and if that is the case I will to. So which is it? Is he still needlessly rambling or not? He can redeem himself when Zen is released.

You're right, I was trying to give him an out and he didn't take it.

 

[bluto 2050]

At my age I have grown tired of this type of article where a tech site, tech writer and even the tech editor are willing to "go out on a limb" with dubiously leaked info on an ES part and speculate on what it means for the "future of AMD". I am afraid you have just lost two doses of respect from someone who has watched tech news from when clock speeds were measured in Mhz.

Tip my hat to "Hardreset" for his comments but I realize that for some it is an exercise in futility.

ha ha........ my first home PC was an NEC IBM AT clone 386SX 33 Mhz with a math co processor ,ega graphics and 1MB sim card I upgraded to 4MB total ram and SVGA before my AMD 486 DX2 /66 biuld and many after that and it was nearly new and had Windows 3.0 back then ☺

yea I've seen all kinds of hype that never happened and poor speculation in the opposite direction also and journalism is all but dead these days anyway and I'm old enough to see the difference ☺☺

 

[bluto 2050]

At my age I have grown tired of this type of article where a tech site, tech writer and even the tech editor are willing to "go out on a limb" with dubiously leaked info on an ES part and speculate on what it means for the "future of AMD". I am afraid you have just lost two doses of respect from someone who has watched tech news from when clock speeds were measured in Mhz.

Tip my hat to "Hardreset" for his comments but I realize that for some it is an exercise in futility.

ha ha........ my first home PC was an NEC IBM AT clone 386SX 33 Mhz with a math co processor and it was nearly new and had Windows 3.0 back then ☺it came with a 20MB HDD and 1MB sim card for Ram and EGA d/GPU .

I put it at 4MB ram and 100MB HDD and SVGA d/GPU before my AMD 486 DX2/66 build that followed all that before my first P5 Pentium and lots of others including Intel Celron 300A and AMD and overclocks and so on .

ppfftttt I've seen all kinds of hype that never happened and poor speculation in the opposite direction also and journalism is all but dead these days anyway and I'm old enough to see the difference and wait for credible benchmarks ☺☺

Microsoft Windows 10 fast ring Insider OS build 1607-14901.rs1 pre release on SSD

 

[Peter Farkas]

Wow this thread gone really wild...

I think the above benchmark shows that AMD is getting somewhere and lets just keep faith that they continue to do so.
Otherwise we could be paying $800 for an i3 at some point....
Imaging that one day AMD would release a CPU that beats Intel... hmmm....

By the way this sample did beat a prev gen i5. Isn't that something we should all celebrate?? When was the last time that happened?

 

[bluto 2050]

Wow this thread gone really wild...

I think the above benchmark shows that AMD is getting somewhere and lets just keep faith that they continue to do so.
Otherwise we could be paying $800 for an i3 at some point....
Imaging that one day AMD would release a CPU that beats Intel... hmmm....

By the way this sample did beat a prev gen i5. Isn't that something we should all celebrate?? When was the last time that happened?

I hope it works ad well I've had a number of AMD DIY builds over the years startimg with an AMD 486/DX2/66 before my first Intel P5 Pentium and some AMD builds after that . I don't care whats in the box as long as it gets the job done with a little headroom but AMD would be good to step up thier game and lower the wattage that's true and I hope they do .

I remember the Intel monopoly pricing when the AMD 586 and K6/K6-2 weren't all that if you were gaming or doing any graphics at all they couldn't do that very well and were pretty much relegated to office work and casual web surfing .and newbies that didn't know any better or have the pocket for an Intel build.

The AMD Athlon K7 500-600 MHz SLOT A CPU or whatever it was finally got AMD back in hunt

I have 3 Intel boxes a SB Core i7 upgraded HP P& mid tower and SB Core i7 HP elite book
,a core Duo Dell SFF business box and this this test mule dual boot HP P7 with an AMD 4 Core K10 and an SSD + 1TB of metal.

On the daily driver win 10 OS this is as fast or faster as either core i7 on most things outside of heavy lifting /hires rendering or gaming or transcoding on the Core i7 HP P7 mid tower because of the SSD .......that's a BIG bang for the buck upgrade on this aging AMD K10 box if I ever saw one and I been upgrading all my boxes since Windows 3.0.

I was going to get a new 6 gen i5 configuration in here but TBH for what I do in this box since I put an SSD in it ,it wont make any difference other than faster DVD trans-coding and file conversions and like that .

OTOH on the metal drive win 10 OS this aging AMD K10 box is significantly slower and wont multi task near as well and shows it age all around but with the SSD with windows 10 loaded it's fine .

 

[Squid Surprise]

Yep... we all WANT AMD to be competitive... but we don't have anything that PROVES this will happen... As they can't even beat an i3 with anything they have out right now, we will simply have to wait until Zen is officially released to see what happens.

My assumption (and it's only an assumption), is that AMD will attempt to compete in the price/performance department much like their mid/low tier video cards... What this would mean is that the i7 will still have no competition but the i3 and MAYBE the i5 will...

 

[iGordii]

The rate at which cpus, gpus, and motherboards upgrade and roll-out is becoming superfluous. Unless a new architecture is designed to accommodate multiple sets of several together at once, Moore's law will diminish and cause bankruptcy among some players.

 

[SuperChargedMOO]

AMD Chips are pretty good overclockers if you have a beefy cooler that is, Personally I think that ZEN could have a good chance in possibly beating the current 6th gen intel chips Skylake. Saying that 8 cores and 16 threads might not overclock very well...

 

[upload420]

Looking at the frequency I don't see it that way. Still looks pretty competitive to me. We'll soon see one way or the other.

We have to see how well zen overclocks. In my opinion polaris didn't overclock hundreds over mhz either. I know this is totally different but if zen has high power draw and little overclock room then It could go south for amd. I am actually hoping that zen kicks major *** tbh. I want to build a new system that kills 4k/vr but don't want to support Intel and there thousand dollar octacores. Also with Skylake x and kaby Lake x coming Intel is looking to boost upon what performance they already have.

I mean look at the gpu side of things. Polaris looks faster clock for clock but nvidia cores and amd cores are totally different. I would assume it is the same on the cpu side. Even if it takes a 4.5ghz skylake to beat a 3.8ghz zen it won't matter if skylake x is hitting 5ghz all day and zen is barley touching 4.ghz. I think polaris is to power hungry and if that transfers over to zen it well reflect into there clock speeds.

I would say that in the end tho zen is looking pretty solid and should at least be a good smack in Intel face to bring em back to earth.($1800 for a cpu just straight ridiculous) I mean hell in the gpu regard I want the best money can buy if 10% performance b4 oc and 20+% performance after oc is worth it to me for an extra few hundred dollars. Now I will not pay triple the price for 10% performance on a cpu that I will have for 5 years.

I will say this though, my good ole sandy bridge e @ 4.7ghz has been well worth the $600 dollars I spent back in 2011. Yet I am kinda wanting to switch to amd on the cpu side where as I said on the gpu front I will buy what ever is fastest at vr and 4k.

 

[slamscaper]

Well considering that the Devil's Canyon 4790K is on average only 5% slower than a 6770K (actually equivalent in a lot of scenarios), the fact that Haswell is a 3 year old architecture is a moot point. To be fair, Devil's Canyon was a Haswell refresh, but even so if Zen can come close to that kind of performance, it certainly will turn some heads. AMD has been so far behind in CPU performance and this will put them a hell of a lot closer. I for one am intrigued now according to this info.

 

[Avenger001]

I would be curious to see the score of a 5960X clocked at 2.8 with the same setup

 

[cliffordcooley]

We have to see how well zen overclocks.

Why do you say that, when you don't even know yet what the base clock will be? Like I said, it is way too early for any judgemental responses.

 

[bluto 2050]

Yep... we all WANT AMD to be competitive... but we don't have anything that PROVES this will happen... As they can't even beat an i3 with anything they have out right now, we will simply have to wait until Zen is officially released to see what happens.

My assumption (and it's only an assumption), is that AMD will attempt to compete in the price/performance department much like their mid/low tier video cards... What this would mean is that the i7 will still have no competition but the i3 and MAYBE the i5 will...

most of this is plausible I don't expect the new AMD product to beat the better Core i7 product unless and unlikely that they came came up with some wildly more efficient cores or stack a lot of them together with lots of cache and like twice as many cores as a competing Intel but maybe just something significantly better than what they have now would be plausible and fit somewhere in the market less costly than an Intel to give the broad market a reason to buy it .

 

[bluto 2050]

Wow this thread gone really wild...

I think the above benchmark shows that AMD is getting somewhere and lets just keep faith that they continue to do so.
Otherwise we could be paying $800 for an i3 at some point....
Imaging that one day AMD would release a CPU that beats Intel... hmmm....

By the way this sample did beat a prev gen i5. Isn't that something we should all celebrate?? When was the last time that happened?

agree it looks promising from here maybe not a core for core core i7 killer and maybe betwen a core i5 and i7 but interesting and plausible in the marketplace if they price it right but even at a 6 gen core i5 performance and a competitive price *advantage it could be plausible especially in an APU configuration for the OEM market