Thats just it, they are not giving us a reason to think good or bad of them. I will never trust an organization that closes the door on a discussion that will adversely effect everyones lives. If the organization wants me to stand behind them, they will include my opinion in the discussion. From a personal stand point; any organization that will not include my opinions in a discussion that effects my life, does not deserve my support. But you see we don't even know which opinions to offer, because we never know what is being discussed. The Gettysburg Address "new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people" What a load of hog wash!! We are no longer being governed by the people. And freedom was also freedom from governmental control which is why we were also given the right to bear arms. We are no longer free and lose more and more of our freedom each day.