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Intel guy looking to change

By PaulWuzHere
Jul 7, 2005
  1. Ok I have always used Intels processors. I did use an Athlon 1800+ but not for long. I am looking at ethier an Athlon 2900+ or Sempron 3000+. I can not afford a 64-bit. What processor is better? and how much better will it be than my Pentium 4 2.0Ghz?
     
  2. JimShady23

    JimShady23 TS Maniac Posts: 651

    Sure You can go 64

    Dont expect a whole new world. For general applications there will not be much of a differance. But in games the Athlon 2900 will out perform the P4 2.0 as will the sempron 3000+ but the sempron will be lacking do to a limited L2 cache of 256k vs. 512k of the athlon.
     
  3. PaulWuzHere

    PaulWuzHere TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 378

    By how much would the 2900 out perform the P-4? Cuz I need a good reason to spend the money :angel: as anyone can agree. I do some moderate gaming like Halo UT 2004 and a few other small titles. I just need a good bit more performance. As for this Mobo i am ready to get rid of it...
     
  4. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,195

  5. PaulWuzHere

    PaulWuzHere TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 378

    WOAH! I can't believe how terrible this P-4 is! So I would see a great increase in Fps if I get a good AMD processor... Hmm... Ok. Can you help me find the best AMD mobo and processor for under $250? Thanks
     
  6. JimShady23

    JimShady23 TS Maniac Posts: 651

    Cant afford 64-bit ? Foowie

    $250 buget ? No problem

    AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 1.8GHz, 512KB L2 Cache 939-Pin 64-bit Processor - Retail $146.00 - Free shipping

    http://www.newegg.com/OldVersion/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-537&depa=1

    GIGABYTE "GA-K8NSC-939" NVIDIA nForce3 250Gb motherboard $75.00 - $2.50 s&h


    $146.00
    +$ 75.00
    $ 2.50 s&h
    _____________
    $223.50

    $26 under your buget to go 64....Your existing memory and graphics card will work fine !!!!!! Newegg.com is the sh--
     
  7. PaulWuzHere

    PaulWuzHere TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 378

  8. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,195

    Why did you choose a socket 754? A 939 cpu/mobo would be better. Jimshady23's suggestion seems alright to me, maybe get a faster cpu if you want.
     
  9. JimShady23

    JimShady23 TS Maniac Posts: 651

    Um

    WTF happened to "I cant afford to go 64-bit" And "Find me a cpu and mobo under $250" ?

    Now your looking at a CPU alone for $270 ?
    Get lucky on a scratch off ticket or sum ? LoL

    Id stongly suggest against 754. Yes they are trying to keep it viable by releasing a few faster CPU's but it is a dead socket. Production of said CPU's will eventually be phased out soon. Definatly go 939, it is the new Socket A. You will be seeing it around for atleast another 2 years. Not saying that AMD will not have another socket before then but 75% of all athlon 64 systems in the end users hands are 939. That is enough to keep this line going for a LONG time.

    Plus you will not be able to upgrade to a PCI-E motherboard after your aging 9600XT AGP Becomes lets say extinct (Isnt that sad ? I remember that card release like it was yesterday.) without also buying a new CPU also.

    Thats were I kinda messed up. When I went 64, PCI-Express was still new. Only a few Nforce4 motherboards had been release and I was like hell I aint gonna be no ones beta tester so I baught the best AGP motherboard there was out there MSI KN8 Neo2 Platinum and the best AGP video card ( I could afford) the 6800 gt.

    Needless to say if I knew then what I know now I would have purchased a PCI-Express motherboard and video card. But the good news is that when I do see the need to upgrade my video card Im only out $130 for the motherboard not $385 for my A64-3800

    My Advise to you is this.

    Dont get all crazy and spend your wad from that scratch off ticket on the best CPU and and motheboard it will allow.

    Buy the 3000+ 64 for $146 (or a little better if you desire, hell you were looking at a fricken socket a sempron 3000 a couple posts ago, a A64 3000 would be a night and day difference.)

    A decent PCI-E mobo for around $100

    And spend that extra money on a deccent PCI-E video card. X600pro or 6600 gt they go for about $150 or so I think ? (Not bashing you video card or anytihing, but with one of the 2 cards mentioned alone your gonna notice the differnence in UT04 over your 9600XT.

    Hell sell your P4 2.0 and 9600XT on e-bay. There's atleast $150 right there.

    Dont get caught up in having to buy a new CPu and motherboard just to upgrade your Video Card. Saying to yourself "They will still make AGP video cards" Nope they are outta here. Try finding anything after a 6800 Ultra or X800 whatever in AGP. It aint gonna happen.

    Dont make my mistake.
     
  10. AtK SpAdE

    AtK SpAdE TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,851

    I agree with Jimshady. A socket 939 might cost a few dollars more, but it will help with upgradeability. BUt getting a 3700 is like putting a V8 engine on a 4cylinder transsmisson. Yoiur 9600 would become a bottle neck, and all that power in the CPU would go to waste.

    My suggestions is to go with a nice 939 3200, and take that extra money and invest in a decent video card, so that you can get a balance in your rig.

    Best of Luck

    Sean
     
  11. PaulWuzHere

    PaulWuzHere TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 378

    Ya I am going with a 3000+ 64 bit CPU, PCX5900 and a new mobo that supports a PCI-X card. I know the 5900 isn't all that great of a car but its good enough for a while.
     
     
  12. JimShady23

    JimShady23 TS Maniac Posts: 651

    Ok

    Could we all convince you on spending $50 more and getting a 6600 GT ?
     
  13. Merc14

    Merc14 TS Rookie Posts: 464

    Jimshady23 is giving you some very good advice here (plus he did the leg work LOL) I'd advise you to take it. The difference in performance will water your eyes. 6600GT is a very nice mid-range card.
     
  14. PaulWuzHere

    PaulWuzHere TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 378

    ya but i am only spending $50 on this card. newegg refurb. I have had nothing but good items from their refurb. I only do lite gaming remember? I have no need for a 6600gt for now. I will probly get one in about 10 months. Thats about when i will upgrade agian. yet when I do all this i will have a system that looks like this.

    AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Maybe 3200+)
    1GB 3200 RAM
    PCX5900 128MB
    80GB hd

    this is more than good for lite gaming. Here are the games I play UT2004, Vice City, Half-Life(not 2), BF Vietnam, BF 2(I can already play it at med settings with 40 fps), and just a few other small titles.
     
  15. zephead

    zephead TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,483

    i advise you get the msi k8n neo2 board, using a socket 939 platform. slide on down to your local pc shop and you could pick up any a64. stay away from newcastles, you'd be served well by the solid winchester core.

    and you mentioned unreal tournament 2004. your video card is going to be laggy unless you cut back a lot on the eye candy, as said game is very demanding.
     
  16. PaulWuzHere

    PaulWuzHere TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 378

    ok here are 2 things.

    1. local comp stores are no match for newegg.
    2. UT2004 is not very demanding. As my system stands now I can play it at higest everything, good res., and 4x AA and 12x AF.
     
  17. PaulWuzHere

    PaulWuzHere TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 378

    I have been reading around and I have heard that a mobile processor in a desktop can give the same and sometimes better performance with a good overclock and a higher voltage given to them. is this true? If so I have found a nice little Athlon 64 3000+ Mobile 754 for about $120. 800Mhz Fsb, but the selling point for this is the 1MB of cache it has on it. All other in that price range have 512KB. Would this be a good choice? And remember I have no desire to switch to 939.
     
  18. Justin

    Justin TS Rookie Posts: 1,595


    If it is the same core, at the same clock speed with the same cache and FSB, it is essentially the exact same processor. The only difference is that it was tested to be stable at that clock speed with a much lower voltage.

    I haven't had any experience using mobile64s in a desktop board though, only mobile bartons and mobile p-m. As far as overclockability goes you definately do have more headroom, but Venice-core and other earlier Athlon64s hit a clockspeed limit fairly soon.

    $120 for 1mb l2 cache mobile A64 is not bad at all.
     
  19. JimShady23

    JimShady23 TS Maniac Posts: 651

    Um

    I thought you decided to go with the 939 so you could have a PCI-E video card. ? PCI-E is not avaliable on 754 chipsets.

    As for the 1meg cache the 3800 939 with 512k out performs the
    3700 754 1mb cache
    But they still operate at the same speed of 2.4

    Same will hold true on any of the others. It is just SMART SMART SMART to go with a 939 over the 754.
     
  20. JimShady23

    JimShady23 TS Maniac Posts: 651

    I stand corrected.....

    They do make nforce4 motherboards in 754 so PCI-E is supported on a hand full of models
     
  21. PaulWuzHere

    PaulWuzHere TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 378

    I decided I want that monitor really bad so I am going with 754 with AGP 8x and keep my 9600xt for it is still a good card. I am going to get an AMD 3000+ so I will have good enough performance to last me a while. Any comments?
     
  22. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,195

    Are you still considering a mobile cpu?
    What parts exactly are you looking at now?
    This has changed so much I'm confused.
    I thought you were looking for a sempron, then it was a 939, then mobile cpu, then 754. ???

    Agp isn't dead, so if you like the 9600xt stay with it for a while. They make 6800ultras in agp, so agp is still good for a while.
     
  23. PaulWuzHere

    PaulWuzHere TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 378

    Ok the mobile processor I am looking at is an Athlon 3000+ with 1MB of Cache. a new mobo and i might as well get a new PSU. All together I have reverted back to my old budget since i bought this monitor today w00t w00t. 19in LCD. Its niiiccceee :D yet i feel sick spending so much on a new monitor... So I have $250 to spend on performance. I am open to any and all sugestions from intel and amd users.
     
  24. JimShady23

    JimShady23 TS Maniac Posts: 651

    Ok

    Why are you so stuck on the 754 line now ? There is no reason or logic to go that way....They are the same price.....$146 on newegg.com

    Yes ic you want to keep your currant video and that is fine with us....get that monitor you will be happy.

    But please inform us why despite all that everyone has said about the 754 you have decided to choose it ?

    Are you finding that 754 motherboards are cheaper ? Do you think 939 only supports PCI-E for the graphics interface ?

    Other boards on the net saying you are better off with 754 ?

    Do some reviews the 939 with a 512k cache still out performs 754's with a 1mb cache

    Take a look at the 3700 1mb cache 754. It has the same core speed 2.4 as the 939 3800 with half the cache but the 939 out performs it. Looking at the CPU you would say "hey why the hell didnt they name the 3700 754 a 4000+ 754 ? It sertainly has the same specs as the 939 4000+. But truth is the 3700 is beaten most of the time by the 3800.

    So please tell us why your going to go with a 754....Thanks
     
  25. PaulWuzHere

    PaulWuzHere TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 378

    I can just get a better deal with 754, thats all.
     
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