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Interested in the Computer Science Field

By greatman05
May 3, 2007
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  1. Hello! I'm considering getting a Degree in Computer Science. Can you tell me what would be some suitable careers in Computer Science? I also want to know if there are ANY computer science jobs that exist in Detroit, MI. I don't want to relocate. Also, what would be some entry level jobs in Computer Science/Programming?

    (p.s. As you may already know, I am a youngster considering his career options.)
     
  2. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,266   +42

    wow, someone from Detroit, made my day. I'm actually at Wayne State, and I have many computer science friends here, might help you out since you're local. I'll ask them about it
     
  3. greatman05

    greatman05 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 536

    Thanks! :D :D
     
  4. Nodsu

    Nodsu TS Rookie Posts: 9,431

    With a CS degree, you can do anything with a little bit of extra learning for the specific job.

    The beauty of the thing is that CS teaches you how stuff works. Once you know and understand the fundamentals, you can catch the specifics of any computer-related field on the fly. Of course, you have to have the time and will to teach yourself in this specific area. I suggest you focus on some area you really like and that suits you best. When possible, take courses in that direction and maybe get something extra too.

    Don't worry about the career just yet.. It will take years for you to get that degree and things can change a lot in that timeframe.
     
  5. greatman05

    greatman05 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 536

    Thanks. I was kind of considering being a computer programmer... Are game programmers and computer programmers the same thing? If I were to take courses in college for programming, what language would you advise me to learn in college and now while I still have the want to?
     
  6. Nodsu

    Nodsu TS Rookie Posts: 9,431

    C and C++ are the languages for performance applications like games and complicated software suites. But then again, major programming techniques are the same in every language - you only have to figure out the way to do stuff and then look up in the manual how exactly it is done in this specific language. The only dividing factor is whether the language happens to be object-oriented or not. I recommend you try to keep to the OO side of things.
     
  7. greatman05

    greatman05 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 536

    So...do you know of any computer science jobs that exist in Detroit, MI? Also, what college would you suggest has the best Computer Science program?
     
  8. Shaw23

    Shaw23 TS Enthusiast Posts: 102

    If you want to learn game programming you would most likely have to go to a specialized school. From my experience with this degree, they teach you the basics of a few different languages in a public college. In most, you dont get to pick the languages that you want to learn... you just learn what they offer. The hardest thing about finding a job after you get the degree is that most employers want experience, usually like 4 years. Entry level jobs are very hard to come by. Also most places want a bachelors, so if you get an associates it will be more difficult also. At least that is how it is in Ohio. Jut get on like Monster.com or something like that and look at the jobs availible in your area and look at thier requirements, it should tell you alot.
     
  9. ravisunny2

    ravisunny2 TS Ambassador Posts: 2,062   +8

    Go for Mechanical Engineering.

    You can develop a lot of useful s/w with mechanical applications.

    You don't need to get a Computer Science degree for s/w development.
     
  10. greatman05

    greatman05 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 536

    Guys, you are making me worried....maybe I shouldn't enter into the field of Computer Science....considering that there are VERY FEW CS jobs in Detroit.....and very few entry level jobs.....I mean, I don't want to relocate....I LOVE the Motor City...
     
  11. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,266   +42

    he asked for information about CS, dont make the man change his major, its his life, jeez.
     
     
  12. Shaw23

    Shaw23 TS Enthusiast Posts: 102

    I gave my opionion to prepare him for what its like after shool. He could be like me and go to school for a couple of years and be excited about getting a job dealing with computers then when he gets out he is discuouraged about not being able to find a job and feels like he wasted his time. I have been out of school for 3 years and havent been able to get a job without experience or a higher degree. Granted, I am in Ohio and the job market could be different in Detroit, I just suggested that he look into it a little more and see what the field is like in his area before making a concrete decision.
     
  13. ravisunny2

    ravisunny2 TS Ambassador Posts: 2,062   +8

    "dont make the man change his major"

    He apparently doesn't have a major yet.
     
  14. greatman05

    greatman05 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 536

    See, I want to major in CS, but you guys are scaring me with the fact that there aren't many computer jobs in Michigan...and I don't want to relocate because Detroit, MI, The Motor City is my home, and I don't want to leave my city....no matter what reputation it has...Can anyone help me with finding jobs in Detroit that can use a Computer Science degree?
     
  15. Nodsu

    Nodsu TS Rookie Posts: 9,431

    Really, do you want that job tomorrow? This year?
    Things can change a lot in a year or more. EA may decide to move all its game development to Detroit; you may find a pretty South Korean exchange student and move to Far East.. Would you rather spend your life in Detroit doing something you hate or spend your life somewhere else doing something you like?
     
  16. RamenNoodles

    RamenNoodles TS Rookie Posts: 108

    What about computer networking. They make bank. Thats what I am majoring in. It definitely takes work, but it's well worth it. I know people in the business who make upwards of 200K a year. A friend of mines dad works for Lockheed Martin and I can see by the way he spends his money. He's got a 2004 Mustang GT, 2005 Mitsubishi Evo 8, 2006 Mazda Speed 6, Chevrolet Colorado, and a few other cars and 2 motorcycles and a 4,000 sq foot house. Of course hes the lead guy in his department, but still. Hes very comfortable. And my friend is going to have his college fully paid for by his parents which is 30k a year.

    I know some of you may say spoiled but thats not the point, point is, Computer Networking makes money. There will always be businesses that need computer networks and servers to keep stuff running.
     
  17. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 6,504   +6

    There are literally hundreds of different jobs in the IT field.

    I do UNIX and J2EE (Java Enterprise Applications) - basically I build, test and configure Web Applications infrastructure, and then support that when it goes live. (Work with WebSphere, UNIX, Perl, etc.)

    Some other jobs that seem in demand a lot:

    Developer (J2EE stuff is big, i.e. writing .jsp, EJBs, etc... C++ or .NET is good too!)
    UNIX administrator (need to know Linux, Solaris, AIX, etc...)
    DBA (Become an expert in Oracle, Sybase, and especially SQL...)
    Network engineer (learn Cisco Routers and switches, TCP/IP, etc...)
    Windows Network Administrator (Windows domain controllers, Exchange, ISA server, get as many Microsoft Certs as you can.)

    Getting the Degree is just the beginning, you will be entering a field where lifelong study and commitment is paramount!

    But also, its a very rewarding field. Although the hours can be long, and it can be stressful (trying working in IT for a bank, or in telecommunications, etc) but the pay is GOOD (I am earning more than any of my friends, etc and am still underpaid), you can become a contractor when you get good (and double or even triple your income) and you will get access to all sorts of interesting hardware, software, courses, etc.

    All in all, I love being in IT, and if its meant for you, you will too.
     
  18. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 6,504   +6

    Games programming is quite good fun I hear, but

    1)its stressful,
    2)its hard to get into,
    3)your future can depend a lot on how the game sells.

    There are many other areas of IT that are potentially just as interesting, but offer more easy to obtain and steady work.

    Best thing to do right now is become a J2EE programmer, that's very in demand and pays well. But its important to pick something you will enjoy, coz you are going to be doing it a lot.

    Oh, and even although the CS course will teach you many good things, and will open your eyes about computers, you will also need to learn other stuff, because they don't really prepare you for the real world and the job market. For the job market, you need to get certifications if you can, i.e. Sun Java Programmer, Microsoft MSCE, Cisco Engineer, UNIX certs, Oracle Certified DBA, etc. These certs, plus your degree, will keep you in work and in good money.

    Oh, and in IT there are jobs all over the place, and things move really fast!!! The last two jobs I have done have lasted just 2 years each, and so much happened during that time. You can make relationships with IT recruiters and you start to get to hear about ALL the IT jobs going in your area, you can go for interviews often, just too see if you can get more money or something better.

    I'm glad to be in IT - its exciting. Just the other day, I was hearing about doing WebSphere work in Amsterdam. The pay was first class, and only for a few months, then I get back home and have enough money so that I don't have to work for months. Or, the other day I heard about a UNIX job where I could work from home.
     
  19. greatman05

    greatman05 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 536

    IT Stands for Information Technology, right? What does an IT representative do? They have IT jobs in banks?! Hmmmm....maybe I might be able to get a job in Detroit.....where else can I find IT jobs?
     
  20. halo71

    halo71 TS Rookie Posts: 1,289

    Well of course there are IT jobs in banks, there are IT jobs everywhere! I work for Kellogg/Keebler on their logistics side, mainly 3PL. I maintain part of their Warehouse Management System, which is RFID. Just about everywhere you look there is some IT.
     
  21. greatman05

    greatman05 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 536

    YES!!! I think I may have found a career that would allow me to stay in Detroit....so, what would I have to do to gain experience as an information technologist while still remaining open to becoming a programmer?
     
  22. greatman05

    greatman05 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 536

    Oh..another add-on (don't want to edit last post since this is unrelated), what's the difference between a Bachelor of Arts, and a Bachelor of Science degree?
     
  23. ravisunny2

    ravisunny2 TS Ambassador Posts: 2,062   +8

    A Bachelor of Arts, might get you there faster.
     
  24. greatman05

    greatman05 TS Maniac Topic Starter Posts: 536

    So in other words, they're both of the same merit when it comes to getting the job?
     
  25. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 6,504   +6

    In my experience, employers care about other work you have done, not what academic qualifications you have. They care about your skills.

    I've never been asked in an IT job about my degree. No one cares.

    Actually, you'd be far better spending that college money on getting a range of certifications, if I were you... Microsoft, Cisco, IBM WebSphere, learning to program, SQL, etc.

    In the meantime, try to get computing work. Get a job working fixing computers. Try to get involved in networking stuff - cabling, hubs, switches, all of that stuff looks great on your CV.

    If I had it over again, I would probably have done some maybe 2 year or so technical course at a college instead of a degree (maybe in networking or programming) and then sublimented that with certification. If I'd done that I would be about 5 years ahead at least in my career by now.
     


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