Hi i want to know is there are performance diferences with these cards, cuz i know there are tech diferences, but at last what a gamer whants to know if is going to give more fps in games.

thanks =)

ps: i know the gf4 gives more fps but is it worth it?

I think the GF4 is above and beyond the GF3 and the ATi Radeon 8500. Between the GF3 and the Ati its a toss up. Personally I go with the Gf3 because of Nvidia's excellent driver support. They are both very fast cards with excellent imaging. I feel that Nvidia's AA is better than Ati's.

I Know that you know GeF4 will give more fps .so if you have the money to buy gf4 why are you looking for radeon.

Look at this review:

http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/vidcards/ati/8500_revisited/

See how your view will change about the 8500. Although it's not as fast in some cases, but I suppose it's fast enough

"Is the Radeon 8500 better than GF3 or GF4?"

The GF4 beats all the current available video cards in all areas in terms of specifications and performance. The real "battle" is between the R8500 and the GF3, I think. The GF3 outperforms the R8500 in some areas while the R8500 outperforms GF3 in others. Once ATi actually releases some BETTER drivers (the leaked one's are ok), the R8500 might pull ahead of the GF3.

On a more personal level, I'm quite content with my R8500.... though I'd be even more happier if I had better drivers.

Some of the related links you can check out that has some opinions on this:

eVGA Ti4600 worth it?
Any positive experiences with GeForce4 MX-440 ?
Best Graphics Cards on the market!?!
Are the vid-cards worth the money???

I believe Per Hansson will release an article pertaining to the performance of the R8500 and its drivers in the future. I'll be looking forward to that.

The Radeon 8500 is a great board. It's very good in the long run, with it's DirectX 8.1 support.

Interesting Note:
GeForce4 Ti 4600 - 378$ OEM
Radeon 8500 - 135$ OEM

Try http://www.3dspotlight.com/vb/showth...hreadid=395 this thread for a related topic. (use theSearch Feature next time)

I'd say right now the choice is very difficult to make (unless you'd go for a GF4, of course). The GF3 and the 8500 are rather on a par. Of course, Radeon has several advantages (dual display etc.) and it looks more futureproof actually. It's also cheaper than the GF3 Ti500. And ATI's drivers HAVE matured finally. But nVidia should be a little more reliable. Tough choice...

By the way, for a GF Ti500 review I'd suggest you check 3DSpotlight's Visiontek article http://www.3dspotlight.com/reviews/hardware/xtasy_ti500/index.shtml
For an 8500 review and comparison with a wide range of other cards, I'd suggest
http://www.digit-life.com/articles/gigar8500/index.html

And since we're at it, some info about ATI drivers at
http://www.subzerotech.com/articles/drivers/ati8500comparison/

thankx for the info guys!
i actualy own a gf3 so i was going to upgrade to a rad but with all the info ill stay with my gf3.

=)

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