first of all, thanks to all of you for your help. i learned a lot from you dudes . now what ive decided to do is get the powercolor Radeon 9800SE. ill give you guys the link. http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-131-249&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE since most reviews ive seen say that this sucker can be OC'ed to the same quality as a radeon 9800 pro or even the xt, this is what ive decided to get. this is the cheapest price ive seen so far. if anyone can give me a cheaper link, i would appreciate it. thanks again for your help guys. one other thing. ive found a company called jetway. they have extremely cheap prices for their cards. now price is not always the most important thing. since ive never heard of the company, i was wondering if anyone here has a product by jetway and can tell me if they are any good.