Lockups ATI x800XT PE Help Plz

By ServerKing
Jul 16, 2006
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  1. I recently replaced the PSU I had which was a 250 for a 350 which solved random lockups in windows. Now I just started to play some FPS games again like Prey, CS, DOD and my system locksup after about 1hr of gameplay. The lockup basically I still see the picture of the game but the sound loops. I cannot ctrl-alt-del only pushing the reset button helps. I do NOT have overdrive enabled on the card but when I go back into ATI control panel my temp on the card is 53c which I thought isnt that high. Can someone help me figure out the problem?

    Shuttle EQ8001 Unit
    AMD64 754 Clawhammer 3700+
    2gig Ram
    ATI x800 XT PE
    80gig HD SATA
    External USB DVD-ROM
    Mouse/Keyboad USB
    350watt noname PSU

    My volt readings with Speedfan:

    +3.3V = 1.92
    +5v = 5.05
    +12v = 11.31
    VCOREA = 1.90
    VCOREB = 1.94
    -12V = .47
    -5v = 1.59
    +5VSB = 5.46
    VBAT = 0.00
    VcoreA = 1.50
    VcoreB = 1.51
    +3.3v = 3.31

    I heard underclocking the AGP to 4x could help. I havent tried that yet. Fast writes are OFF. If anyone has suggestions much would be appreciated.
  2. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    2hr dod straight no lockup with 4x agp any reason why that would have worked?
  3. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 8,385   +205

    Lower power requirement at 4X perhaps. It might be the no name power supply. You really should be using a quality brand name power supply.
  4. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    What would you suggest?
  5. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 8,385   +205

    Here is a quality one that I consider reasonably priced (Click here). I have an older version of this Antec 550W and I also have the Radeon X800XT PE and it has run fine. I have recently upgraded to a Radeon X1900XTX and it still runs fine. I've played HL2 (plus various mods, Episode One, etc.) and Battlefield 2 (single player) with no problems. However, I like to have plenty of margin so I will be upgrading my power supply shortly.

    There are other good brands such as Enermax, Seasonic, PC Power & Cooling, Sparkle, FSP (Fortron) and others. There is a new one from Mushkin I like but it's a little expensive (Click here to see it). Actually, I already bought it but I haven't installed it yet.
  6. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    Thanks for the suggestion but the prob is I am running a Shuttle PC. I need a smaller power supply and I havent seen many that have a high power output.
  7. Sharkfood

    Sharkfood TechSpot Guru Posts: 1,198

    As it works at 4x, but has stability problems at 8x... sounds more like a VIA chipset issue to me.

    Does your motherboard have a VIA chipset?
  8. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    NForce 3 chipset
  9. wolfram

    wolfram TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,605   +9

    Your 12V reading is a little low, you have 11.31V.

    I don't know if that may be the problem.
  10. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    I just finished running 3dmark06 demo looped for 9hrs agp 4x and my machine didnt lock up. Will try it at 8x later. My 12v read way about 12v in my bios so I think speedfans results arent correct.
  11. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    Well, I just ran 3dMark06 2hrs on demo loop mode with agp 8x came back and saw my comp did lock up. Now is this a PSU problem or a video card issue?
     
  12. wolfram

    wolfram TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,605   +9

    I'm not very sure.
    How many points did you get on 3dmark at 4x mode?
    I'm pretty sure that 8x mode isn't much faster than 8X mode. If the machine stays fine at 4X, leave it there. You won't notice too much difference.
  13. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    Yeah there's not much difference. Leave it the way it is and enjoy the games!
  14. Sharkfood

    Sharkfood TechSpot Guru Posts: 1,198

    Try two things:
    1) Get ATI Tray Tools. Install this and use it's Hardware Monitoring (in the Overclocking menu area) and monitor this to a file. This will produce a hw.log in the c:\program files\chris ray folder where it will write the gpu/env temps to that file like every second or so. Let this go while playing a game while reproducing the lock-up to rule out overheating GPU. I've got a few X800 series here and they return back to 50-55C down from 86-90C inside 1 second once back at the desktop, so flipping to the temp wont be accurate.

    2) Try running agp 8x with FAST WRITES disabled. You can do this preferrably in the BIOS, but only if your BIOS has no option to disable fast writes, do it in SmartGART (which will force a reboot, then re-verify it's disabled).
  15. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    Thanks for the info on the ATI control panel I will try that when I get home. The fast write are disabled bios and ati tools always have been. I will try this out later this evening see if 3dmark locks again and see if it writes anything. Let you guys know.
  16. CrossFire851

    CrossFire851 Newcomer, in training Posts: 1,058

    It's a power problem. The bigest power supply I have seen for a shuttle is 450 watts.
  17. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    Here are the results right when the system locked and when I rebooted back to normal.

    19.07.2006 12:09:31 GPU: 74.13, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:33 GPU: 74.75, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:35 GPU: 74.38, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:37 GPU: 74.50, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:39 GPU: 74.63, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:41 GPU: 74.88, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:43 GPU: 74.75, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:45 GPU: 74.88, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:47 GPU: 74.75, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:49 GPU: 74.75, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:51 GPU: 74.88, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:53 GPU: 74.75, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:55 GPU: 75.13, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:57 GPU: 75.00, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:09:59 GPU: 74.13, Env: 63.00
    19.07.2006 12:16:54 GPU: 54.38, Env: 56.00
    19.07.2006 12:16:56 GPU: 54.13, Env: 56.00
    19.07.2006 12:16:58 GPU: 53.88, Env: 55.00
    19.07.2006 12:17:00 GPU: 54.00, Env: 55.00
    19.07.2006 12:17:02 GPU: 53.88, Env: 55.00
  18. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    Are those temps? If so, then it's an overheating problem.
  19. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    Hows is that an over heating problem? My roomates 7800GT runs hotter then this playing fear all day long and he doesnt have a problem? hell his card runs over 60c without gaming. How can mine be running hot? Thought 80-100c would be considered way too hot?
  20. wolfram

    wolfram TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,605   +9

    Those temps are high, but nothing bad either. GPU's tend to run hotter than CPU, and have more tolerance for those high temps.

    I still think you have a PSU related problem.
  21. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    74C For a GPU is too high according to me. If it's the PSU, swap urs for ur mates and see if the problem remains.
  22. wolfram

    wolfram TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,605   +9

    What about the X1900XTX? It runs EXTREMELY hot with the stock cooler.
  23. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    I would try it but i am running miniatx and he isnt. Plus dont think he would like removing his case and stuff because of all the stuff he has hooked up LoL But yea i heard the 1900xtx runs really hot from my experience 75c isnt that hot when it comes to newer vid cards. I dont think its a heat issue if it was 4x agp would have done the samething because its running the same demo.
  24. Sharkfood

    Sharkfood TechSpot Guru Posts: 1,198

    Hi again and thanks for the hw.log.

    I have several X800 based systems on the LAN here and your GPU temps are fine.. actually quite good!

    On very powerful system able to push them hard, X800 R4xx GPU's can reach peak temps of 90C and higher. They do not start to experience problems until about 100C. Normal peak temp under heavy, heavy load on one with a good fan/heatsink usually hits around 80-85C.

    Your ENV temps though are really high. The ENV is the therm sensor on the front of the board and indicates the ambient system temp. This should never be over 60C and indicative of poor case cooling. While your GPU and CPU may be running well, your memory and mainboard chipsets are likely overheating. This could very clearly cause the symptoms you are experiencing (8x locking up, but 4x not.. as this stresses the mainboard chipset greater).

    If your motherboard also has an ambient temp sensor, it would be best to see if you have a mainboard temp monitor to ensure the ENV sensor on your X800 is accurate. 63C sys env temp is HOT. Most shoot for <50C env temp with the cases I setup here shooting more for 33-35C env temps for best, stable operation.

    The most common cause of this is poor case cooling.. or improperly configured case cooling. Cases need airflow in the form of intake and/or exhaust fans to create air-pressure/airflow to remove trapped hot air out the case. Even with proper fans, if you leave the case open or it has lots of openings, the fans cannot generate an airflow. Also, having fans incorrectly oriented cause the same problem (i.e. all fans blowing inwards).

    For a test, I'd suggest taking the side of your case OFF and pointing a floor or house fan about 1 foot or so away on full power directly at the motherboard.. then run your tests/log. If your env temps drop sub-50s and the lockup goes away, you know you're cooking your mainboard chipset/memory and need some case fans to remove trapped heat.
  25. ServerKing

    ServerKing Newcomer, in training Topic Starter

    thanks for the info i will try that toinght. it sucks i have a shuttle unit not sure how much more flowage i can get if this is the case. i will run 3dmark06 demo looped, cover off, 8x agp, with a small deskfan on full blow and let you guys know the results. i had a suggestion from another forum to run prime95 and something else for 12hrs? but i will try this first. thanks
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