Microsoft accused of deceiving people into upgrading to Windows 10 with updated pop-up
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There are thousands of reasons NOT to upgrade. We'll start with $$$ because that's going to be several hundred, we'll continue with spyware times 1,000, AND we'll add "I DO NOT WANT WINDUHS 10 ON MY COMPUTERS!!!!!" That last reason is the only one I need. Besides, Linux is constantly in a state of improvement in all of it's various iterations. Winduhs just gets more greedy, resource hogging, and burgeoning at each new iteration, but then, that's Micro$oft anyway. Why shouldn't Bill Gates' company reflect his sub-sewer-level conscience?
It takes one to call one.
Is Winduhs 10 still uninstalling/disabling third-party software?
I have hundreds of programs STILL running on Winduhs XP on 4 computers and I know how to tweak it just as I learned to tweak Winduhs 2, 3, 3.1, 3.11, NT, Media Edition, 98, XP, and 7.
I once wrote a 3 1/2 page Word Basic macro for MS Word. It took me somewhere around 28 or 30 hours. When I upgraded MS Word, it no longer ran, so I went through the troubleshooting process and fixed it (12 more hours, over 30 bugs introduced - all of them DLL routine calls). As soon as I upgraded Winduhs, I had to re-rewrite my code (18 more hours). After upgrading Word once more and finding the same predicament, I quit rewriting and gave up on that dream realizing that's just the way Micro$lop writes software. If I write any macros now, they are written for OpenOffice or LibreOffice word processors. I no longer trust M$ with upgrades (if I ever did).
Had it not been for a world of stupid people who bought into IBM and Micro$haft, we would be using computers thousands of times faster by now. The Texas Instruments 99/4a (having a 5MHz 16-bit processor and being 4 years older) could run assembly-language benchmarks over 600 times faster than the IBM PCs because the IBMs were running a 3.586 MHz 8-bit processor and the TI had a built-in video co-processor to assist. Each TI could address 4096 different pieces of hardware and each TI peripheral had it's own co-processor which made it even faster. There is not currently ANY personal computer which can access even 200 hardware peripherals without serious bog-downs. Even the Commodore 64 was faster than IBMs.
I have hundreds of programs STILL running on Winduhs XP on 4 computers and I know how to tweak it just as I learned to tweak Winduhs 2, 3, 3.1, 3.11, NT, Media Edition, 98, XP, and 7.
I once wrote a 3 1/2 page Word Basic macro for MS Word. It took me somewhere around 28 or 30 hours. When I upgraded MS Word, it no longer ran, so I went through the troubleshooting process and fixed it (12 more hours, over 30 bugs introduced - all of them DLL routine calls). As soon as I upgraded Winduhs, I had to re-rewrite my code (18 more hours). After upgrading Word once more and finding the same predicament, I quit rewriting and gave up on that dream realizing that's just the way Micro$lop writes software. If I write any macros now, they are written for OpenOffice or LibreOffice word processors. I no longer trust M$ with upgrades (if I ever did).
Had it not been for a world of stupid people who bought into IBM and Micro$haft, we would be using computers thousands of times faster by now. The Texas Instruments 99/4a (having a 5MHz 16-bit processor and being 4 years older) could run assembly-language benchmarks over 600 times faster than the IBM PCs because the IBMs were running a 3.586 MHz 8-bit processor and the TI had a built-in video co-processor to assist. Each TI could address 4096 different pieces of hardware and each TI peripheral had it's own co-processor which made it even faster. There is not currently ANY personal computer which can access even 200 hardware peripherals without serious bog-downs. Even the Commodore 64 was faster than IBMs.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
The phrase "Jack of all trades, but master of none" fits Microsoft well these days.
List of bloat I don't use in Windows 10.
And as far as Office is concerned, MS would be crazy to loose their Office followers. Loosing the Office crowd would likely turn them belly up. Especially with game engines/drivers evolving to support cross-platform. That would leave very little outside of Office left in Windows ecosystem to hold consumers strictly to Windows.
I am coming to the same conclusion. Other than the OS itself and Office, there is very little MS software I use. I use a third party application as a replacement for most everything built in Windows. I'm surprised Windows Defender, Firewall, Task Manager, and Wordpad still seems to satisfy.
List of bloat I don't use in Windows 10.
- Start Menu, Cortana, Search, Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer, or MS Edge
- Windows Backup and Restore, Partitioning Application, Defragment, or Disk Cleanup
- Windows Mail, MS Messenger, Skype, Windows Media Player, or Paint
And as far as Office is concerned, MS would be crazy to loose their Office followers. Loosing the Office crowd would likely turn them belly up. Especially with game engines/drivers evolving to support cross-platform. That would leave very little outside of Office left in Windows ecosystem to hold consumers strictly to Windows.
I took it to be sarcasm.
Do like a lot of people are doing - switching to Linux. Our state government is doing just that. Any new PCs they buy, IT deletes the installed Windows and installs Linux (and would you believe, Ubuntu - I would have thought Mint with MATE or Cinamon).
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Ian Slattie
This is such poor public relations. Do they not realise that there is a growing base of users beginning to hate Microsoft. It's bad enough failing to support so many of their projects, (like Money, all the email clients no longer usable, A/V progs etc) but now the way they are pushing customers about is pathetic. And if you want to continue using their email they WILL get your mobile/cell number so they have another vector to push stuff at you. I wonder if next we will start hearing of the same behaviour in their app store
I am so close to abandoning their constant annoyances and going over to Linux and no doubt many more would like to
I am so close to abandoning their constant annoyances and going over to Linux and no doubt many more would like to
DAOWAce
Posts: 325 +64
Meanwhile, those who pirated Windows 7 (or 8) don't get any upgrade notices.
Joke's on us?
Microsoft completely lost their way; I really hope Windows 10 crashes and burns after this along with Vulkan becoming the main gaming API. Microsoft needs to be dislodged from its position, fast.
Joke's on us?
Microsoft completely lost their way; I really hope Windows 10 crashes and burns after this along with Vulkan becoming the main gaming API. Microsoft needs to be dislodged from its position, fast.
Adhmuz
Posts: 2,342 +1,186
Ha, you must be using a different crack than I am, or should I say this guy I know... The upgrade notification happened on three out of five of the PCs I know of without official licenses. One I even, er my friend, even did the upgrade on and it gave him a legit copy of Windows 10... So yeah, even Microsoft can't tell the difference between a pirated copy (I hardly think of it as pirating, they put out the images for anyone to download free of charge) and a full legitimate license.
DJMIKE25
Posts: 183 +72
There is no reason not to take advantage of the free upgrade. I work in IT and completely understand that most people don't like or are afraid of change, but really it is going to cost you in the end when end of life comes and you are just now learning a product that you could have already had a handle on 4 years previous. Just because you don't want to doesn't mean that you shouldn't. Honestly I don't care if people upgrade or not. I have upgraded every desktop, laptop and tablet that I have and thoroughly enjoy 10.
Burningfeetman
Posts: 7 +1
Care to be more specific as to what the actual problem is when something is "showing its age"? Often that's a sign of a well developed product.
When you lose your job because things change, is that a good thing?
So you are an IT technician. I am a software engineer that works for military contractors and scientific research centers and I believe you are there to fix PC for people like me (although I can very well do it myself). We are your users, those you give you work. I have 10 years experience in software / hardware development and I can tell you that Windows 10 is just a bad hybrid OS that try to compromise between desktop and mobile device users. There is nothing more in W10, besides things nobody in their right mind would use such as Cortana but we all know nobody really uses things like that, besides lonely people that feel the need to talk to machines.
Banks are still actually using Windows XP and paying Microsoft to continue support for it. That is because heir hardware has shown to be incompatible with new version of Windows and Microsoft wouldn't provide drivers compatibility and big institutions such as banks cannot just go and replace billions in hardware and risking downtime that would paralyze everything.
If you really have problems fixing machines with w7 then you are a very lousy technician and by all mean, change job. You also seems to have no knowledge of real world professional computing, I assume you are a teenager fixing your friends machine for a couple of bucks.
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BreathlessTao
Seriously, I don't get all the hate for W10. Sure, there's the company using deception techniques (such as the one this article is about) and disregarding free will with forcing stuff on users (such as the upgrade, or crap like Cortana) - but that's a problem with the company's attitude. A huge problem sure, but the OS itself? Been using it since beta versions, and the worst issue I've run into is a few random crashes - yeah, it's annoying, but please don't act like that's anything new, because we all know it isn't. With pieces of hardware nearly 10yo, W10 runs very smooth and very snappy, without causing headaches.
I know it's become kind of a trend to hate anything new, and honestly after the schizophrenia that was Windows 8, I'm not saying it's entirely baseless. But don't jump on the bandwagon just to jump on the bandwagon, please - that's what I see 8 out of 10 people do, and it's really immature.
I know it's become kind of a trend to hate anything new, and honestly after the schizophrenia that was Windows 8, I'm not saying it's entirely baseless. But don't jump on the bandwagon just to jump on the bandwagon, please - that's what I see 8 out of 10 people do, and it's really immature.
Trillionsin
Posts: 1,910 +488
If you are in the tech biz then you need to adapt. You need to keep up with technology. For me, I HAVE to upgrade. It's not a matter of finding a reason not to, but that I need to learn to use Windows 10. Eventually it will be on the majority of PCs whether anyone likes it or not, and I'm going to have to be able to troubleshoot problems. The best way for me to learn is to use it for every day purpose to get those experiences. I have to support my customers and those who dont understand why their OS changed. Revert them back, because they accidentally clicked it. Did you know there is an option to revert back? So many people making a fuss of this. I almost didnt want to make a comment on this because any true tech is going to know better, and avoid this whole issue before it ever became a problem, or revert back like Microsoft so graciously added into some of the new features in Windows 10. But hey I guess we all see things differently. I've used Macbooks, several linux distros, even played around with a Raspberry Pi or two, you just have to keep learning new things, even if you dont like it. People fear change too much.
captaincranky
Posts: 19,667 +8,802
What exactly is your position with M$, if you don't mind me asking?
So far I have put one of my computers on Linux (Ubuntu) and I find that it works well. I will put the other two on ubuntu after I have a month or two running Linux.
Phr3d
Posts: 404 +87
"But the Balmery REE-Mainns.." apologies to Metallica
(good people were passed, crushed or encouraged to retire, robots were promoted for smooch-expertise)
I truly hoped that this epic tale that I've avidly read or been directly involved with since chapter ONE, had experienced a positive plot twist.
Chapter 243: Mimicking Malware's unintentional Accept for ongoing positive installation results..
not so much, so far..
(good people were passed, crushed or encouraged to retire, robots were promoted for smooch-expertise)
I truly hoped that this epic tale that I've avidly read or been directly involved with since chapter ONE, had experienced a positive plot twist.
Chapter 243: Mimicking Malware's unintentional Accept for ongoing positive installation results..
not so much, so far..
Athlonite
Posts: 476 +228
Because it is better example game start up times Skyrim + a few mods (less than 20) under Windows 7 x64 took 45 seconds just for the game window to appear where as under Windows 10 x64 it now only takes 10 seconds windows start up took 0h:01m:35s under 7 now its 0h:00m:45s under 10 exact same HDD it now takes 13 seconds on my new SSD though and last but not least Windows 7 is shortly to be EOL and the upgrade is free so just do it
Athlonite
Posts: 476 +228
What email clients are you talking about Outlook and Windows Live mail and every other client still works as do the A/V programs I don't know what rock you've been hiding under but it's time you came out into the light
Athlonite
Posts: 476 +228
WOW you must be using a **** crack then (must be one of those 30 day trial patches that just keeps reseting the trial) every pirated copy of windows 7, 8 and 8.1 I have seen have all gotten the GWX update and are now classed as legit windows 10 PC's
captaincranky
Posts: 19,667 +8,802
I'm sure this is really important s***, to you, and to anyone else sitting around obsessing with a stopwatch timing their computer loading some stupid game. But face it, to normal people, it's not that big of a deal.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
Haven't you been paying attention to all the complaints?
Yeah, dream on!
I'm assuming you were looking in the mirror when you said that.
And for the record I wouldn't have nearly as much against your comment if you didn't post in absolute. You are literally standing here and telling someone they don't know the color of their own hair, because it's not the color of yours.
Ziffel
Posts: 75 +62
Believe it or not, it's malware even by Microsoft's own standards. On their own Win development site, they have criteria for how UI's should be designed, and GWX violates virtually all of it.
As someone else in this thread pointed out, this is the behaviour of a monopolist. They're doing this sh!t because they can.
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