Microsoft accused of deceiving people into upgrading to Windows 10 with updated pop-up

Because it has spyware and a keylogger enabled by default for one. Anyone who says otherwise can never refute this when you ask them about the T&C that Win10 captures arbitrary typed data. They never refute that arbitrary includes potentially password fields or you writing sensitive information on your computer or commercially sensitive information in word documents etc. There is no reason for this to be on by default.

Here is a direct quote from the T&C:


They should never use arbitrary typed text for autocomplete. This is horrendous security practice. There should be a lawsuit for this.

Windows made it's mark by being a productivity tool and one we can trust. It is not supposed to be the same as Android or iOS. Microsoft are trying to make it a hybrid. Myself like many other Windows users want to use it for business productivity and for it to be secure by default. Not some modern social networking experiment with voice recording, analytics about my actions recorded by default. And my data being partially captured and analysed by Microsoft analytics.

I'm not disputing this fact, and while I know about the "spyware" and keylogger, all of those "features" as they would probably call it, can be turned off. Do I agree with them being on by default, no, I absolutely do not. Is it easy for a user know this right out of the box with little or no tech knowledge? Probably not. Do I still enjoy many of the new products that follow the same path? I do. Performance wise, it is an extremely smooth experience and we have had great success incorporating it in business environments thus far. With group policy and Imaging to large environments turning those settings off becomes much easier.
 
I'm not disputing this fact, and while I know about the "spyware" and keylogger, all of those "features" as they would probably call it, can be turned off. Do I agree with them being on by default, no, I absolutely do not. Is it easy for a user know this right out of the box with little or no tech knowledge? Probably not. Do I still enjoy many of the new products that follow the same path? I do. Performance wise, it is an extremely smooth experience and we have had great success incorporating it in business environments thus far. With group policy and Imaging to large environments turning those settings off becomes much easier.
I'm not so sure about that. The auto updates and some of the telemetry apparently can't be turned off entirely except via router DNS blocks. Unconfirmed but I have read that Windows will ignore host file entries for some of these components.

Here is a thread discussing this very thing:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r30...m-Spying-On-You-36-DNS-Addresses-to-host-file
 
Maybe so but you will need to configure it. There is potentially a lot to block and you'd want to do it on every Win10 machine!​
 
At the corporate level you would do it at the firewall to avoid needing to touch every machine. As long as you figure out what ports the data is transmitting on. Unfortunately, some are standard ports that you can't block. In that case you would edit windows firewall in your default image before pushing it out, or do it in group policy on the server. Regardless we can agree that what Microsoft is doing isn't good practice.
 
To all those people pissing and moaning about not upgrading because of MS's telemetry ("spying") there are ways to turn it all off very easily might I add all you need do is download and run O&O Shut up 10 it's completely free no ads no spy/malware so stop being sticks in the mud about some perceived issue which is totally fixable and do the upgrade
 
To all those people pissing and moaning about not upgrading because of MS's telemetry ("spying") there are ways to turn it all off very easily might I add all you need do is download and run O&O Shut up 10 it's completely free no ads no spy/malware so stop being sticks in the mud about some perceived issue which is totally fixable and do the upgrade
Nice to know but there is nothing to stop Microsoft from working around 3rd party solutions to their spyware. We only have to look at the myriad of attempts to trick people to upgrade from Win7. It's disgraceful they are pushing Win10 as an important update for many users on Win7.

For me this is an attitude problem with them. They think they have the right to ram spyware down our throats at every opportunity. I'm not having a bar of it.
 
To all those people pissing and moaning about not upgrading because of MS's telemetry ("spying") there are ways to turn it all off very easily might I add all you need do is download and run O&O Shut up 10 it's completely free no ads no spy/malware so stop being sticks in the mud about some perceived issue which is totally fixable and do the upgrade
Maybe you cou8ld answer a question for me. Why does every low post count wonder come through here demanding people upgrade to Windows 10?

Does having Windows 10 installed make you feel special?

Are you doing it for the attention?

Do you work for M$?
 
Maybe you cou8ld answer a question for me. Why does every low post count wonder come through here demanding people upgrade to Windows 10?

Does having Windows 10 installed make you feel special?

Are you doing it for the attention?

Do you work for M$?

You don't have to work for Microsoft or have a high post count to enjoy/appreciate the new operating system. It sounds as though he just would like people who haven't tried it to give it a shot. I'm not even going to go there anymore as I already know your view.
 
You don't have to work for Microsoft or have a high post count to enjoy/appreciate the new operating system. It sounds as though he just would like people who haven't tried it to give it a shot. I'm not even going to go there anymore as I already know your view.
Oh but you did just, "went there".

Plenty of people here have "my view" on M$ Gestapo tactics.

More importantly, I'm sick of mouthy noobs joining to make one of their first posts a commercial for Windows 10.

Talk down to me, I'll talk back down to you. Sounds fair to me.
 
Oh but you did just, "went there".

Plenty of people here have "my view" on M$ Gestapo tactics.

More importantly, I'm sick of mouthy noobs joining to make one of their first posts a commercial for Windows 10.

Talk down to me, I'll talk back down to you. Sounds fair to me.

Plenty of people also have a different opinion, but as I've said point taken. I guess I can't argue that you shouldn't make your first post one arguing with someone who has 10,000+.
 
Plenty of people also have a different opinion, but as I've said point taken. I guess I can't argue that you shouldn't make your first post one arguing with someone who has 10,000+.
I'm simply trying to fathom and react to the motivations of new members. Do you want to join to become part of the community? Or do you just want to join to attempt to tell us how much you know, and how progressive you are? There are more than a few members here who have opinions diametrically opposed to my own, yet we still co-exist quite peacefully.

Here's a recent post from a 5 count member:

"The most ridiculous comment that I have ever heard relating to a a device which is basically a telephone with a poor excuse for a camera in the body of the deviceThe most ridiculous comment that I have ever heard relating to a a device which is basically a telephone with a poor excuse for a camera in the body of the device.
Never, ever in a thousand years should anyone be allowed the utter gall to make a hint of a comparison and post it in an article on a technical site.
Shaun Knight is probably a juvenile who writes about the dreams he had the (k)night before.
A basic $450.00 real camera (Nikon/Canon/Sony Compact) will leave a pathetic 'phone camera for dead.
Oh Shaun, wake up, try putting your mobile 'phone on a tripod in a high wind ..... my Nikon did not budge .....
...that in itself shoots your silly article down in flames".


.The fact that I covered camera movement quite thoroughly in a post well before this notwithstanding, "flame boy" here is just one more worthless troll added to the ranks. Do you want to deal with it? Let it slide? Give him some more trophy points?

Full story here: https://www.techspot.com/community/...t-outperform-dslrs.227443/page-2#post-1546030
 
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I'm simply trying to fathom and react to the motivations of new members. Do you want to join to become part of the community? Or do you just want to join to attempt to tell us how much you know, and how progressive you are? There are more than a few members here who have opinions diametrically opposed to my own, yet we still co-exist quite peacefully.

Here's a recent post from a 5 count member:

"The most ridiculous comment that I have ever heard relating to a a device which is basically a telephone with a poor excuse for a camera in the body of the deviceThe most ridiculous comment that I have ever heard relating to a a device which is basically a telephone with a poor excuse for a camera in the body of the device.
Never, ever in a thousand years should anyone be allowed the utter gall to make a hint of a comparison and post it in an article on a technical site.
Shaun Knight is probably a juvenile who writes about the dreams he had the (k)night before.
A basic $450.00 real camera (Nikon/Canon/Sony Compact) will leave a pathetic 'phone camera for dead.
Oh Shaun, wake up, try putting your mobile 'phone on a tripod in a high wind ..... my Nikon did not budge .....
...that in itself shoots your silly article down in flames".


.The fact that I covered camera movement quite thoroughly in a post well before this notwithstanding, "flame boy" here is just one more worthless troll added to the ranks. Do you want to deal with it? Let it slide? Give him some more trophy points?

Full story here: https://www.techspot.com/community/...t-outperform-dslrs.227443/page-2#post-1546030

I have to admit, I wouldn't want to deal with it.
 
Maybe you cou8ld answer a question for me. Why does every low post count wonder come through here demanding people upgrade to Windows 10?

Does having Windows 10 installed make you feel special?

Are you doing it for the attention?

Do you work for M$?

1: no I do no not work for MS
2: atleast I know my support is not going to run out anytime soon and wont be left with an EOL OS the gets no security updates unless you pay for them
3: I may have a low post count but a newb I am not I been a long time lurker and tend to only post when I think I have something worth while to post and not just to grump like some I could mention
4: unless you have some specific reason (other than the so called spying which can all be turned off ) there really isn't a reason to not upgrade and if you hate MS so vehemently why do you still use there OS and not some Linux flavor
 
1: no I do no not work for MS
Oh, I think M$ is going to cut its staff soon, (again), so maybe it's for the best you don't work there.
2: atleast I know my support is not going to run out anytime soon and wont be left with an EOL OS the gets no security updates unless you pay for them
Well, if you can name any M$ OS which didn't require after market security software, whether or not it was fully patched, I'd say you have a point.. As it stands, you don't.
3: I may have a low post count but a newb I am not I been a long time lurker and tend to only post when I think I have something worth while to post and not just to grump like some I could mention
I guess like they say on the TV game shows, "the decision of the judges is final". Thus the contestant doesn't get the final say. And so it goes with a post. As it stands, your post was just one more nag. Or perhaps one more boorish nag about how everyone should upgrade because "Windows 10 is free".. They say you should, "never look a gift horse in the mouth". I happen to believe that's completely asinine, as you will be the one taking over some potentially useless nag's veterinary bills.
4: unless you have some specific reason (other than the so called spying which can all be turned off ) there really isn't a reason to not upgrade and if you hate MS so vehemently why do you still use there OS and not some Linux flavor
And here you go again, "use Windows 10 or else go someplace". I have every right to hate M$ if I choose. I have also bought and paid for every copy of Windows I own. Besides, who exactly do you think you are, telling me what OS I should use?

If you're happy with Windows 10, the post about THAT. Leave the hype and dictatorial conduct to the newly minted tyrants over at M$. They seem to be really good t it.
 
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Windows 7 Mainstream support ended on 13 January 2015
Extended support ends on 14 January 2020

Windows 8 It's all over (12 January 2016) you must update to:
Windows 8.1 Extended support until January 10, 2023

Windows 10 Mainstream support until October 13, 2020,
Extended support until October 14, 2025

this was the case last 08 Dec 15 when I looked
 
Windows 7 Mainstream support ended on 13 January 2015
Extended support ends on 14 January 2020

Windows 8 It's all over (12 January 2016) you must update to:
Windows 8.1 Extended support until January 10, 2023

Windows 10 Mainstream support until October 13, 2020,
Extended support until October 14, 2025

this was the case last 08 Dec 15 when I looked
Oh s***, does this mean I can't get updates for my Win XP machines? I may have to piss my pants tonight out of mock fear. (Or just for something different to do. :D Never mind, f*** it, I'll put that off too like I do everything else).
 
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Actually I just wanted to point out to the Win 10 evangelists that two previous iterations of windows are supported until 2020 and 2023 so if you like them and want to keep using them........
 
Actually I just wanted to point out to the Win 10 evangelists that two previous iterations of windows are supported until 2020 and 2023 so if you like them and want to keep using them........
Not only are they supported, but you can also get all the snooping and other, "telemetry", by simply updating Windows 7 with the "new free, comprehensive update", from the same wonderful people who brought you Vista and Windows 8! (y)

BTW, I know I can't get M$ to support my XP machines any more. It's like Scarlet O'Hara said to Rhett Butler at the conclusion of the US civil war, "oh Rhett, I am B-SOD myself with grief, now that I longer have the firm girdle of support that M$ so graciously provided me....:'(
 
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