Microsoft deploys full screen Windows 10 upgrade nag

Many of you are wasting lots of potential posting such drivel, I was reluctant at first .but once I got into 10 I absolutely love it ,no 10 driver for saitech cyborg KB, my webcam ,and some programs are hit and miss with the insider builds,

the flip side, stick to 7 ,wait for EOL, and no more support, then try to find a cheap way to get 10 on my 1/2 dozen or more rigs.Many of you sound like the same crowd that used xp well past EOL.. you are part of the problem , not the solution.quit holding back innovation ,and move on.
living in NFLD, I only understand ,if your poor and can't afford to upgrade to supporting hardware ,otherwise theres not much excuse for not upgrading to 10...
they are still using socket 478/940 generation pc's here...picked a 1.6 gig p4 machine up on the side of the road just yesterday,no landfill for you..I'll patch it up for some kid,or senior, that can't afford any pc..
 
Boilerhog146, I'm not grammar nazi, but DAMNNNN! Your punctuations are all over the place - literally!

I think we need someone smarter than myself to help off-set the drastic reduction in the average IQ of the TechSpot reader base!!! someone...please!!
 
What windows 7 features are you missing? You have them all and then some. Don't tell me that you could not find the control panel or something stupid like that.
well off the top of my head, in the photo app you could set the time before it switches pictures, gone
In the browser you could open a new tab with your homepage, gone
In Win 7 the start menu was much more useable. Now I have to click the start button, hit 'all apps' then I see a alphabetically done list such as 'A' then Adobe Acrobat appears (imagine that, that A heading was sure useful), many items are unnecessarily in folders in the start menu, the ability to configure the start menu usefully is gone
The ability to choose what I want the GUI to look like is gone (Aero etc) then there are all the disjointed style screens, control panel is old school, click on Action Centre>All Settings, it is all completely different so you have to go between both.
Before you used to be able to "Turn Windows Features On or Off", now win 10 is filled with apps I don't need and they are uninstallable.
That enough for a start?
 
OK, so limiting consumer choice (from UI to what data Microsoft collects to unwanted ads) and unresolved bugs are innovation, now? MS must've come out with its own Reality Distortion Field when I wasn't looking. "Wasted potential" refers to the fact that Windows 10 could've been amazing but MS is completely tone-deaf when it comes to certain decisions. I was in the Insider Preview from the start, and I wanted to love it, but for every reason to do so, there was another one to roll my eyes.

When even some of your biggest supporters are calling you out, maybe it's time to listen:
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/wi...fts-upgrade-deceptions-undermining-windows-10
 
Against my better judgement, I'm backing up my C drive on my Win 8.1 PC and preparing to do a clean install of Win 10 within the next week. At least I still have the Win8 (and Win7) licenses if I ever want to go back. I might as well see what the fuss is about and decide for myself. But I've already lined up replacing the Start button and putting desktop gadgets on my screen.
 
Win Vista ... trail shortly behind.
So you mean Windows 7 is one of the worst OS's ever? Since, y'know, it's literally SP3 for Vista with minor UI adjustments.

But god forbid people ever get off the "hate Vista" bandwagon.
 
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Not to mention WIndows 10 users are not in control of how their system updates. Forced driver updates are NOT group policy, nor reg hackable. As a gamer, that should be a big turn off. Installing a driver for your video card of your choice, will always be upgraded to the one MS thinks you should have. Having less control over my hardware, and my system is not my idea of an upgrade. Its a "dumb" OS for the not so technical user, and it will be "dumbed" down with each new iteration of it. You want 10, have at it. I for one, will stick with 7 until EOS, then Microsoft can kiss my a**. I will find something else to use.
 
Sorry bud, I never said that.

I think he meant me... and yes Vista was terrible. Win7 is what Vista should have been in the first place. Vista was unstable and had loads of driver related issues. It was getting better around SP3, and maybe if they had made an SP4 it would have been essentially the same as 7, but they didn't. So, 7 is a lot better than Vista.

Raoul Duke had some good points up there... there is a lot more features missing from 10 that were in 7. The control panel / system settings thing is a complete cluster flunk. They still need to recreate everything in the control panel for the new interface. It is a lot like their Active Directory tools, they keep adding stuff here and there but keep the same old crap at the core. The control panel is just like that. They never want to go back and fix the small bugs or annoyances that are there. For example when you are supplying a driver for a device from the device manager, when you click Browse and it brings up the UI to browse to the folder, every time you click on the next folder it scrolls the view so the folder you just opened is now at the bottom of the screen. You have to keep repeatedly scrolling down!!! Every new folder you go into, it does this. This has been this way since Vista, through 3 major "new" OS's an it has never been fixed. M$ doesn't give a crap to fix broken things in their UI, all they want to do is introduce new "features" (some of which suck terribly, and or remove customization ability) and force people to upgrade to what they deem is better.

Not that long ago, Apple sucked because they were so proprietary and limited the user... but Microsoft was great because they put customization in the hands of the user, letting us change tons of stuff. Now, they are slowly taking that away and basically becoming the same as Apple. Honestly the only thing keeping M$ in the game is no one has bothered to make a full fledged alternative to Acitve Directory. If there was another big player in the game that could do everything AD does and possibly more for Windows, and/or Linux, and possibly Mac then I guaran-damn-tee you Windows would lose its grip on the market. It is too bad Novell Netware died because it had the potential to become a lot more.

Now all that being said; Windows (and yes even 10) is still the most complete, flexible, customization desktop OS out there. So it will remain on top, for now...
 
I had no issues with Vista. I think a majority of issues with that OS, were driver related, or lack of drivers. I had fairly new hardware when I was using it, and did not have any stability problems with it. However, it was a beautiful OS, compared to XP. Aero, and transparency made it look fabulous. By far the worst OS I ever used from MS, was the dreaded "Me". Thank goodness for Windows 2000!!
 
Sorry bud, I never said that.
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and yes Vista was terrible. Win7 is what Vista should have been in the first place. Vista was unstable and had loads of driver related issues. It was getting better around SP3, and maybe if they had made an SP4 it would have been essentially the same as 7, but they didn't. So, 7 is a lot better than Vista...
This just shows that you haven't used Vista and 7 side by side, or apparently at all, since SP3 doesn't exist, unless you count Windows 7 as being SP3.

7 fails at the most basic things like TEXT PAINTING ON THE WINDOWS UI. Not to mention it removed a whole bunch of things and spawned the creation of Classic Shell and 7+ Taskbar Tweaker. So much for an upgrade.

The only thing 7 does better is let you move stuff around on the taskbar. The taskbar itself is arguably worse than Vista's. Oh, and uninstall IE I guess, which breaks a bunch of applications.

Here's my really old UI comparison between the two: http://imgur.com/a/DXZ0G

Vista's failure was due to computer manufacturers and driver developers. They caused the global "hate Vista" bandwagon. It was nothing more than complete ignorance that made 7 the "holy grail" that it was on release. The two OS's were basically identical at the time, except Vista's UI wasn't as terrible. Hell, it even got DX11 support like 7 did before Microsoft stopped supporting it.

Go reinstall Vista if you think 7 is amazing. They're the same damn OS with a slightly different UI. There is zero performance difference between them, and Vista actually has classic features that 7 removed.

This ignorance will never end.


Source: I'm an IT consultant who personally used Vista since its beta and managed/repaired dozens of Windows 7 PCs. I was forced to switch over to 7 when I upgraded my hardware, as Intel dropped support for Vista, but even before that I ran a Win7 VM for many years. Even Linus from LTT used and defended Vista. Like I said, only the uneducated think Vista is a "terrible" OS.
 
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This just shows that you haven't used Vista and 7 side by side, or apparently at all, since SP3 doesn't exist, unless you count Windows 7 as being SP3.

7 fails at the most basic things like TEXT PAINTING ON THE WINDOWS UI. Not to mention it removed a whole bunch of things and spawned the creation of Classic Shell and 7+ Taskbar Tweaker. So much for an upgrade.

The only thing 7 does better is let you move stuff around on the taskbar. The taskbar itself is arguably worse than Vista's. Oh, and uninstall IE I guess, which breaks a bunch of applications.

Here's my really old UI comparison between the two: http://imgur.com/a/DXZ0G

Vista's failure was due to computer manufacturers and driver developers. They caused the global "hate Vista" bandwagon. It was nothing more than complete ignorance that made 7 the "holy grail" that it was on release. The two OS's were basically identical at the time, except Vista's UI wasn't as terrible. Hell, it even got DX11 support like 7 did before Microsoft stopped supporting it.

Go reinstall Vista if you think 7 is amazing. They're the same damn OS with a slightly different UI. There is zero performance difference between them, and Vista actually has classic features that 7 removed.

This ignorance will never end.


Source: I'm an IT consultant who personally used Vista since its beta and managed/repaired dozens of Windows 7 PCs. I was forced to switch over to 7 when I upgraded my hardware, as Intel dropped support for Vista, but even before that I ran a Win7 VM for many years. Even Linus from LTT used and defended Vista. Like I said, only the uneducated think Vista is a "terrible" OS.

My mistake there was no SP3 for Vista... and perhaps you are right, drivers were the reason for its instability (makes sense). My experience with it wasn't so good. I didn't use it very much and stuck with XP. I tried it again later on before 7 came out and it wasn't any better. A lot of the issues I had to fix with it were driver based, for sure. So I didn't have much exposure to Vista, you are right about that, but I did use it. And now thinking about it I do remember some features in Vista UI that were removed in 7. The Classic Shell brought all that back and then some. Still use it to this day... Windows has been progressively going down in terms of pleasing the power user.
 
The higher system requirements also put a bad taste in peoples mouths, which led to more Vista bashing. As I said before, I had no issues with Vista. Loved the UI, and was happy to switch from XP.
 
I had no problems with XP, Vista and Windows 7 - they were all good or decent OSs. Having said that, they were a long time ago so I may be forgetting annoyances :) But Windows 8 was a problem. The OS itself was fine but that UI had to go. Even after I got rid of the Metro interface, I still missed the curved corners of Aero. Ahh, it's often the little things that get to us!

I took the plunge and did a clean install of Win 10 on Saturday. After an hour of BSODs I eventually removed Avast (my preferred anti virus) and that restored stability. I still get a few crashes but it's mostly ok. I haven't yet replaced the Start button as I find that Win+X or right-clicking the Start button meets most of my needs. I've used 8GadgetPack to restore my gadgets. But some of my software refuses to work with Windows 10 due to driver issues (such as Gigabyte EasyTune6) so I'll need to look for an alternative software to manage my custom fan profiles. Overall it's been an ok move but it's nowhere near as smooth as it could have been.

I'm also annoyed that my GTX 780 apparently isn't DirectX12 compatible - which was my main reason for going to Windows 10.
 
Sorry to interrupt, but this is important, MS will not be able to spy, profile, and pakage your personal data for the highest bidder if you've rudely denied us access your system with our invasive software by July 31. How dare you say no! -Sincerely
Microspy, er, Microsoft
 
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