Microsoft files suit against US government over customer data request gags

[Raoul Duke]

Everything electronic spies. To bring up microsoft, did you know that that update 2 months ago for windows 10 still doesn't work, rendering all new computers partially useless? Can't turn updates off. Furthermore, computers bought since 2008 with windows 7 or above automatically upgrade to win 10 and are rendered partially useless. Didn't I always tell you to stick with vista like I did? It will not get upgraded to windows 10. Had to turn updates off on vista tho or it's a cpu hog. I just went thru that. Don't know how I got my computer back.

Did you even read the article? I'm assuming no...

My electronic calculator is spying on me? How about my electric can opener? Is my lawnmower spying too?

And if everything electronic spies... doesn't Vista spy too?

I'm beginning to suspect last time I went to the dentist 'they' put in devices in my teeth
and then there was that concussion, while I was out you KNOW they put microchips in my head
I only use a mechanical can opener and moved to an apartment so I could take apart the lawnmower, I used to use pen and paper, but then I became worried about what's inside the pen, so I switched to one of those transparent ones, but then you never know what is in the ink. Polonium perhaps....can't be too sure

 

[tonylukac]

In case you'd like to have a go, try out a live USB of Linux Mint Mate. You'd probably like it. Imho.

I have slackware linux installed on one machine and ubuntu on another in quadruple boot mode. I really like slackware linux because it is so liberal. Don't care too much for ubuntu. If firefox ditches vista linux is a good idea, but they're still supporting xp. Windows 7 was the best build of windows in a long time and we were installing it when I worked at the library, but someone's computer in the little business I have of supporting home people's computers upgraded to windows 10 overnight this week, and I think she had updates turned off. She may have that only partially usable win 10 where, get this, the start menu doesn't show up. Deja vu. I just never got to installing win 7. Win 7 may upgrade to 10. Installed win 8 becoming 8.1 on the two machines, and installed windows 10 to have 64 bit and be able to support users on the phone, all dual/sometimes quintuple boot. I really got burned this week with win 10 as I tried to use bcdedit to switch to the legacy boot screen and make another the default, but bcdedit is buggy on win 10 and by coincidence I took a hard drive hit. Tried sfc then the updates after chkdsks, but the updates still left it unusable. Tried to reset it by following the menus to reinstall win 10. It then went into a mode where it would only boot to the partially unusable win 10 (after updates.) I really like that computer, it cost $1500, and I don't know how but it went back to the quadruple boot so I could boot vista. Was fiddling with turning on and off the win 10 windows update service in msconfig and that got it back. Will not touch win 10 again on either computer. Can remotely connect to my brother's win 10 machine if someone has a question over the phone. Somehow knew to disable the windows update service on his computer in msconfig before those faulty updates so his win 10 remains fully usable.

 

[Squid Surprise]

10 is buggy, for sure. I've had to help many people either roll-back or fix 10. Some, which wanted to roll-back, ended up borked & had to factory reset (assuming they didn't wipe it upgrading in the first place!). And yes, there was indeed a "stink" about the upgrade "auto-rolling" on some PC's (Google "microsoft, win 10, without consent")- that is true. However, Vista is already running in trouble RE: browser support/security on banking sites, etc. IE & Chrome have ditched it already- which means Firefox is next-- then what do you do? If it were me, I'd go to Linux-- but some folks don't know about it. In case you'd like to have a go, try out a live USB of Linux Mint Mate. You'd probably like it. Imho.

99% of the people who want to roll back Win 10 are just people who don't like change... suck it up!

 

[GirlDownunder]

99% of the people who want to roll back Win 10 are just people who don't like change... suck it up!

Wow- why the aggression? These were people who were excited to see the "new" OS. The ones who rolled back didn't appreciate the terrible screen issues (partial blurring of text in many) or no network support, no printer/peripheral support, or they didn't appreciate the injected advertisements--> for everything!

The "not liking change" claim is old, old, old. Besides, change for the better is one thing, change "for the sake of it" does NOT = "better". Many of the changes in 10 were seemingly arbitrary (removing/moving items/renaming them for no real purpose). Imho.

 

[GirlDownunder]

I have slackware linux installed on one machine and ubuntu on another in quadruple boot mode. I really like slackware linux because it is so liberal... Will not touch win 10 again on either computer. Can remotely connect to my brother's win 10 machine if someone has a question over the phone. Somehow knew to disable the windows update service on his computer in msconfig before those faulty updates so his win 10 remains fully usable.

I do computer servicing & have run into soooo many Win 10 upgrades that either go bad at the start or, as you found, after-the-fact that simply will NOT repair itself. I have a desktop, right now, that refuses to boot to any Windows DVD/USB even though they will boot in other machines. I know it used to boot to media because I reinstalled Win 7 into this unit a couple of years ago. However, it WILL boot up to a live Linux DVD/USB? Go figure. Def something is effed-up in Win 10/it's updates.

RE: dual-booting-- I've gone the VM/Virtualbox route. Find it easier & I have access to any OS I need from the desktop. Imho.

 

[GirlDownunder]

I'm beginning to suspect last time I went to the dentist 'they' put in devices in my teeth
and then there was that concussion, while I was out you KNOW they put microchips in my head
I only use a mechanical can opener and moved to an apartment so I could take apart the lawnmower, I used to use pen and paper, but then I became worried about what's inside the pen, so I switched to one of those transparent ones, but then you never know what is in the ink. Polonium perhaps....can't be too sure

Everyone is labeled a conspiracy-theorist until they are proven not to be. Google "samsung tv spying". It's not the same thing as the sarcastic exaggeration you posted above, but never forget the "slippery-slope".

 

[Squid Surprise]

Wow- why the aggression? These were people who were excited to see the "new" OS. The ones who rolled back didn't appreciate the terrible screen issues (partial blurring of text in many) or no network support, no printer/peripheral support, or they didn't appreciate the injected advertisements--> for everything!

The "not liking change" claim is old, old, old. Besides, change for the better is one thing, change "for the sake of it" does NOT = "better". Many of the changes in 10 were seemingly arbitrary (removing/moving items/renaming them for no real purpose). Imho.

Not so much aggression as a response to your aggression... Win 10 is buggy for sure?!!?? Really?

Try googling for answers - 99% of your bugs are either user error, incompatible hardware/software, or simply easily fixed...

EVERY time a new OS comes out (for any platform), there are always people saying "I hate this new OS, it sucks, it's buggy, wah wah wah!!"

Yet every time, the VAST majority of people upgrade to it anyways, and a few years later, complain about the new OS, which "sucks" compared to the one they complained about back then....

And lastly, this thread really has nothing to do with the bugginess of Windows 10... it's about MS fighting the US government about the legal obligation to release client information.

 

[captaincranky]

Not so much aggression as a response to your aggression... Win 10 is buggy for sure?!!?? Really?

Try googling for answers - 99% of your bugs are either user error, incompatible hardware/software, or simply easily fixed...

EVERY time a new OS comes out (for any platform), there are always people saying "I hate this new OS, it sucks, it's buggy, wah wah wah!!"

Yet every time, the VAST majority of people upgrade to it anyways, and a few years later, complain about the new OS, which "sucks" compared to the one they complained about back then....

And lastly, this thread really has nothing to do with the bugginess of Windows 10... it's about MS fighting the US government about the legal obligation to release client information.

Are you sure you don't work for M$?

 

[GirlDownunder]

Not so much aggression as a response to your aggression... Win 10 is buggy for sure?!!?? Really?

Try googling for answers - 99% of your bugs are either user error, incompatible hardware/software, or simply easily fixed...

EVERY time a new OS comes out (for any platform), there are always people saying "I hate this new OS, it sucks, it's buggy, wah wah wah!!"

Yet every time, the VAST majority of people upgrade to it anyways, and a few years later, complain about the new OS, which "sucks" compared to the one they complained about back then....

And lastly, this thread really has nothing to do with the bugginess of Windows 10... it's about MS fighting the US government about the legal obligation to release client information.

Excuse me, but YOU are the one who replied to me. I wasn't even speaking to you. And this most def is not an "I hate the new OS", in any way. Win 10 IS buggy-- & I'd say worse, than Vista (which is saying something). When it upgrades, it wipes drives so the lay-person must rely on a "roll-back" feature which is defective a LOT of the time. Worse, a simple "system restore" feature was replaced with a "refresh"- which erases all of your installed programs (if it works & doesn't error).

Lastly, the average consumer shouldn't have to go through what's happening now. It's ridiculous. Imagine you buy a new car, the maker says you need an "upgrade", & afterwards it stops running. To fix it, you must learn all about auto-mechanics & "try Googling". It's *****ic for MS to be putting this cr*p out after having decades & billions of $$$$ to do it right.

RE: MS & data privacy- a joke. They're fighting the gov't for control/ownership of the data so THEY can use it themselves.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Excuse me, but YOU are the one who replied to me. I wasn't even speaking to you. And this most def is not an "I hate the new OS", in any way. Win 10 IS buggy-- & I'd say worse, than Vista (which is saying something). When it upgrades, it wipes drives so the lay-person must rely on a "roll-back" feature which is defective a LOT of the time. Worse, a simple "system restore" feature was replaced with a "refresh"- which erases all of your installed programs (if it works & doesn't error).

Lastly, the average consumer shouldn't have to go through what's happening now. It's ridiculous. Imagine you buy a new car, the maker says you need an "upgrade", & afterwards it stops running. To fix it, you must learn all about auto-mechanics & "try Googling". It's *****ic for MS to be putting this cr*p out after having decades & billions of $$$$ to do it right.

RE: MS & data privacy- a joke. They're fighting the gov't for control/ownership of the data so THEY can use it themselves.

Yes.... REPLIED.... Do I have to explain the meaning of that word? That means you spoke first... And I replied....

The average consumer DOESN'T have to go through what is happening now - the average consumer is quite happy with Windows 10! Note that the adoption rate is higher than any previous version of Windows....

I can tell that YOU are having issues with Windows 10 - that doesn't mean that everyone else is.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Note that the adoption rate is higher than any previous version of Windows....

That might be note worthy, if Windows 10 wasn't the only version of Windows given as a free upgrade. And if Windows 10 wasn't pushed so hard as an upgrade from the Taskbar of the previous two OSes.

 

[GirlDownunder]

Yes.... REPLIED.... Do I have to explain the meaning of that word? That means you spoke first... And I replied....

The average consumer DOESN'T have to go through what is happening now - the average consumer is quite happy with Windows 10! Note that the adoption rate is higher than any previous version of Windows....

I can tell that YOU are having issues with Windows 10 - that doesn't mean that everyone else is.

I wasn't speaking to you- get the diff? And yes, I see about 20 - 30 pc's a week, so have a good idea of what the real world is seeing, & this is about 50% an issue w/10. These are issues for which the end-user is having to "pay" someone else to help them get their computer back to a working state. It was never like this with other OS's, ie Vista-- you mightn't have liked it as much, but it didn't break everything. The "adoption rate" is more like a "forced adoption" & many articles dispute it even then, if Googling "Win 10 problems" is any indication...Imho

 

[tonylukac]

I do computer servicing & have run into soooo many Win 10 upgrades that either go bad at the start or, as you found, after-the-fact that simply will NOT repair itself. I have a desktop, right now, that refuses to boot to any Windows DVD/USB even though they will boot in other machines. I know it used to boot to media because I reinstalled Win 7 into this unit a couple of years ago. However, it WILL boot up to a live Linux DVD/USB? Go figure. Def something is effed-up in Win 10/it's updates.

RE: dual-booting-- I've gone the VM/Virtualbox route. Find it easier & I have access to any OS I need from the desktop. Imho.

There's something called uefi and you may be able to turn that off in the bios. Usually repeatedly pressing esc key or delete key when first booting.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I wasn't speaking to you- get the diff? And yes, I see about 20 - 30 pc's a week, so have a good idea of what the real world is seeing, & this is about 50% an issue w/10. These are issues for which the end-user is having to "pay" someone else to help them get their computer back to a working state. It was never like this with other OS's, ie Vista-- you mightn't have liked it as much, but it didn't break everything. The "adoption rate" is more like a "forced adoption" & many articles dispute it even then, if Googling "Win 10 problems" is any indication...Imho

Of course you weren't... you spoke first obviously... I REPLIED... to YOUR aggression.... I didn't really think it was that complicated...

Again, 99% of your "bugs" can be easily solved - one kind poster has already given you a solution... And regardless of WHY someone has adopted Windows 10 is largely irrelevant.. they HAVE adopted it, they'll get used to it, and I'm sure they'll complain if Windows 11 ever comes out...

 

[cliffordcooley]

they HAVE adopted it, they'll get used to it

Now you sound as if you believe the OS will never mature, and the problems people are facing will never go away. If that is the case, what the hell is Windows Update and new revisions for? On second thought don't answer that, I'm fairly certain it will blindly give MS a gold star.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Lol, it will mature... but as I already stated, the vast majority of people unsatisfied with Windows 10 are just unhappy because they dislike change... so yes, they'll get used to it... they'll end up liking it... but if/when there is a new Windows OS, they'll complain again, because it will be that "dreaded change"...