Microsoft finally admits its malware-like Windows 10 upgrade tricks "went too far"

[Nobina]

Now they just need to admit that the Windows 10 Updates are as bad or worse than malware themselves. I had one a few weeks ago that after rebooting and automatic logon on my HTPC left me with a black screen and a mouse cursor.


Running Pro on that beast?? gpedit.msc -> Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Update -> Configure Automatic Updates -> Disabled

No more automatic updates. However, if you want to you can run them manually.

Why stop at Windows Updates? What about Windows itself? If Windows didn't come by default on most computers and was the OS which got most support from game devs, few people would be using that junk lol.

Not even remotely true. Few computers come with Windows pre installed. They usually come with either no OS or some Linux OS which is then replaced by Windows. Windows is successful because, while it has some issues, is a good operating system for the masses. It isn't exclusive like OSX and isn't that expensive. It is peoples choice like it or not.

 

[cliffordcooley]

IMO you can't fault Linux for that. Firstly it's such a fractured entity and secondly, should they spend a ton of cash on a marketing campaign?

Being a fractured entity is precisely why you can fault Linux. If the Linux community would cut back to only a half dozen Distros, you would see a rise in their usage statistics.

 

[wiyosaya]

Now they just need to admit that the Windows 10 Updates are as bad or worse than malware themselves. I had one a few weeks ago that after rebooting and automatic logon on my HTPC left me with a black screen and a mouse cursor.


Running Pro on that beast?? gpedit.msc -> Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Update -> Configure Automatic Updates -> Disabled

No more automatic updates. However, if you want to you can run them manually.

Why stop at Windows Updates? What about Windows itself? If Windows didn't come by default on most computers and was the OS which got most support from game devs, few people would be using that junk lol.

it's not like any linux distro is doing a good job at attracting casual users.

I run openSuSE leap on one of my PCs, and I have to agree that even as good as openSuSE has become, I know people who would not be able to handle it even with the fact that it has an advanced, easy to use GUI.

Even on my beast, an X5-1650v2 with 32GB of RAM and a dated but still pretty good GTX 580, I cannot say at all that I am impressed by the virtualization capabilities of the machine - I've tried, it is just not like running an OS on a dedicated machine - and that is for "simple" things or the OS just running virtualized on its own. Maybe when we get to 16-core/32-thread procs where you can reasonably dedicate 4 or more cores to a virtual machine, virtualization will catch up; not ATM, though IMO. I think it far more likely, though, that native software will always be faster on a non-virtual OS.

There is still the problem that windows is ubiquitous and lots of companies write software specifically designed for Windows, and lots of companies out there still use it.

For the most part, software in any company is controlled by the IT department. Given the ubiquitous nature of windows, most people who work at any company are going to be familiar with operating Windows while a rarity of users would be familiar with Linux. And for the reasons above, I think it highly unlikely that all but the IT departments in serious tech companies would consider replacing Windows with any variant of Linux. And, as I see it, it is the business world that drives OS adoption.

 

[Kunming]

Being a fractured entity is precisely why you can fault Linux. If the Linux community would cut back to only a half dozen Distros, you would see a rise in their usage statistics.

It's a well known strength and weakness. Cutting back, as you know, would limit freedom, which is one of the core traits of Linux. Luckily there's Ubuntu and co, who draw in the new people.

@Nobina
Maybe it's just confirmation bias. I maintain it's only a "good OS" because people don't know any better; which many found out thanks to the Windows 10 updates. If you only ever had a fork to cut your bread with, you might also think it's a good fork. Until someone shows you how a knife works.

I like when you say "has some issues" hahaha ;D.

"Doctor how's the patient"
"Well, he recently developed brain cancer, which comes at a time when his HIV is flaring up again and that of course further complicates the fluids gathering in his punctured lung, after he broke 3 ribs in a fall yesterday. However, on the plus side, his dementia keeps him from being too worried about these setbacks."
"Okay so what you're saying is..."
"All I'm saying is that the patient has some issues."

 

[wiyosaya]

Being a fractured entity is precisely why you can fault Linux. If the Linux community would cut back to only a half dozen Distros, you would see a rise in their usage statistics.

It's a well known strength and weakness. Cutting back, as you know, would limit freedom, which is one of the core traits of Linux. Luckily there's Ubuntu and co, who draw in the new people.

@Nobina
Maybe it's just confirmation bias. I maintain it's only a "good OS" because people don't know any better; which many found out thanks to the Windows 10 updates. If you only ever had a fork to cut your bread with, you might also think it's a good fork. Until someone shows you how a knife works.

I like when you say "has some issues" hahaha ;D.

"Doctor how's the patient"
"Well, he recently developed brain cancer, which comes at a time when his HIV is flaring up again and that of course further complicates the fluids gathering in his punctured lung, after he broke 3 ribs in a fall yesterday. However, on the plus side, his dementia keeps him from being too worried about these setbacks."
"Okay so what you're saying is..."
"All I'm saying is that the patient has some issues."

I don't think anyone here would disagree that Windows has issues. I certainly won't. A migration to Linux for anyone but the tech savvy, even with as good as Linux has become, would likely have more issues than Windows does on its own.

 

[Nobina]

It's a well known strength and weakness. Cutting back, as you know, would limit freedom, which is one of the core traits of Linux. Luckily there's Ubuntu and co, who draw in the new people.

@Nobina
Maybe it's just confirmation bias. I maintain it's only a "good OS" because people don't know any better; which many found out thanks to the Windows 10 updates. If you only ever had a fork to cut your bread with, you might also think it's a good fork. Until someone shows you how a knife works.

I like when you say "has some issues" hahaha ;D.

"Doctor how's the patient"
"Well, he recently developed brain cancer, which comes at a time when his HIV is flaring up again and that of course further complicates the fluids gathering in his punctured lung, after he broke 3 ribs in a fall yesterday. However, on the plus side, his dementia keeps him from being too worried about these setbacks."
"Okay so what you're saying is..."
"All I'm saying is that the patient has some issues."

You are comparing cancer and HIV with automatic updates. I'm just gonna say reasonable.

 

[Kunming]

I don't think anyone here would disagree that Windows has issues. I certainly won't. A migration to Linux for anyone but the tech savvy, even with as good as Linux has become, would likely have more issues than Windows does on its own.

In some respects yes, in others no. IMO Linux is "hard to get to", while Windows is easy to get to. Due to all the "Find a distro. What's a distro? Burn it to a USB, how? Change BIOS bootorder, what's BIOS?" jazz. While Linux is "easy to live with", while Windows can be "hard to live with", if you think of:

- All the security & privacy issues. Constant threat of malware.
- Issues getting software you need and from the right sources.
- Issues picking the right software (which anti-virus? etc.).
- Constant maintenance. Drives get slow, registry has leftover files, runs horrible on aging PC etc.
- Constraints on actual choice. Then you can't uninstall IE, easily move the OS to another comp, etc.
- Getting help can be hard, as can fixing it yourself.

Sure, many people will then be super casual about that stuff. But that's just ignorance and apathy a lot of the time isn't it? Which not only makes them insecure, but puts the rest of us at risk too, in all manner of ways. From getting infected emails, to having governments run by people who never consider the security aspect of their actions.

I bet if Linux was the default in schools, people wouldn't have an issue.

But honestly, most people live inside a browser and that experience is near-identical between the OS's.

 

[Kunming]

You are comparing cancer and HIV with automatic updates. I'm just gonna say reasonable.

Not just the updates, but Windows and MS themselves. They're unwanted, dangerous, affect many people and are pretty much just terrible. And when a Windows 10 update causes some hospital or business computer to update, it can in fact ruin someone's life. So yeah, cancer and MS/Windows do have a lot of similarities. But hey, let's look at the bright side, at least Windows doesn't have any backdoors or such things, which would allow a state-level actor to spy on people at will and subvert democracy right?

http://techrights.org/2013/12/22/rsa-and-microsoft-germany/

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/140310104147-edward-snowden-1024x576.jpg

Ah f**ck me...

 

[captaincranky]

Some of it is decent software. But then again, people say Windows is decent too. How much of this is borne out of ignorance of the alternatives?

GIMP is garbage, even when compared to the cheapest Adobe imaging software, "Photoshop Elements".

IMO you can't fault Linux for that. Firstly it's such a fractured entity and secondly, should they spend a ton of cash on a marketing campaign? Haha. It would be hard enough to get this simple message across "Linux is not MacOS or Windows". . . Aka, Linux is different, so expect some changes.

Well the internet requires some uniformity. So do customers. Besides, Linux is very prevalent behind the scenes, just nolt as a desktop OS. I'm told I might need an AV product when using Linux these days. Where do I get a free version of that? Hell, I can't even install my VPN software easily on a Linux distro.

The average customer is an imbecile, and for better or worse, Windows has been striving to make itself "imbecile proof". In some respects I should probably include myself in that category. When I see command lines or lines of code, my eyes glaze over and start to roll back in my head. But then, why should I bother with such things, when it's more fun to come here and argue with you? I figure if the other guy, "knows it all", I don't have to....

Adobe is still a horrible company. Like most of those american tech giants.

I take it that you're not from around here then?

What's most horrible about Adobe, is they put a bunch of Indians to work doing the programming on their lower priced software, like "Photoshop Elements". If you think that's "racist" in any way, read the credits when you launch the program. It's stone cold fact, whether it's politically correct or not.

 

[wiyosaya]

Sure, many people will then be super casual about that stuff. But that's just ignorance and apathy a lot of the time isn't it? Which not only makes them insecure, but puts the rest of us at risk too, in all manner of ways. From getting infected emails, to having governments run by people who never consider the security aspect of their actions.

I bet if Linux was the default in schools, people wouldn't have an issue.

But honestly, most people live inside a browser and that experience is near-identical between the OS's.

Obviously, you haven't met my father-in-law.

I really do not think that linux is any more secure than any other OS if we are judging by updates. Almost every time I log into my openSuSE machine, there are updates waiting for me to install - some at the kernel level. These generally are not for improvements, but security patches.

One of the reasons that I see that Windows draws so many hacking attempts is because of its ubiquity. If Linux were to become ubiquitous in the way that Windows is, hackers, desperate to find something to do or try to grab some bitcoin from the unsuspecting, would turn their eyes to Linux, and the problems of such hack attempts would surely be of the same magnitude as they are with Windows. Linux might appear more secure, but it is not in the public eye as Windows is. Change the focus of that eye, and Linux would certainly be flogged as much as Windows and maybe more so because of its open nature.

I get you like Linux, and for what I use it for, I like it, too. However, I do not see it as miracle cure for all computer problems.

 

[Kunming]

GIMP is garbage, even when compared to the cheapest Adobe imaging software, "Photoshop Elements".

Well the internet requires some uniformity. So do customers. Besides, Linux is very prevalent behind the scenes, just nolt as a desktop OS. I'm told I might need an AV product when using Linux these days. Where do I get a free version of that? Hell, I can't even install my VPN software easily on a Linux distro.

The average customer is an imbecile, and for better or worse, Windows has been striving to make itself "imbecile proof". In some respects I should probably include myself in that category. When I see command lines or lines of code, my eyes glaze over and start to roll back in my head. But then, why should I bother with such things, when it's more fun to come here and argue with you? I figure if the other guy, "knows it all", I don't have to....

I take it that you're not from around here then?

What's most horrible about Adobe, is they put a bunch of Indians to work doing the programming on their lower priced software, like "Photoshop Elements". If you think that's "racist" in any way, read the credits when you launch the program. It's stone cold fact, whether it's politically correct or not.

Feeling GIMP'ed by the GIMP huh ;D. Haha. There's yet again alternatives. Given what their funding must be like, GIMP is excellent.

I agree about behind the scenes. Which is the funny thing with Linux.

Which Linux distro do you use? I haven't heard anything about needing an AV. Also, which VPN software? If it's like a .deb package for instance, it's easy to install (I mean it lol - gdebi does half the work for Ubuntu people).

Yea imbecile proof. Until they get a virus, need to defrag their HDD and so forth.

You shouldn't bother with such things! Come here and argue with papa!
Good knows it all comment, I like it lmao. Has a nice burn to it.
It's no secret that a lot of proprietary software is made by indian kids copy/pasting codes ROFL. But then again, it's proprietary, so who knows?

Don't worry, I don't care about PC either - america is a terrorist state and the biggest threat to world peace!

See?

 

[Kunming]

Obviously, you haven't met my father-in-law.

I really do not think that linux is any more secure than any other OS if we are judging by updates. Almost every time I log into my openSuSE machine, there are updates waiting for me to install - some at the kernel level. These generally are not for improvements, but security patches.

One of the reasons that I see that Windows draws so many hacking attempts is because of its ubiquity. If Linux were to become ubiquitous in the way that Windows is, hackers, desperate to find something to do or try to grab some bitcoin from the unsuspecting, would turn their eyes to Linux, and the problems of such hack attempts would surely be on the same magnitude as they are with Windows. Linux might appear more secure, but it is not in the public eye as Windows is. Change the focus of that eye, and Linux would certainly be flogged as much as Windows and maybe more so because of its open nature.

I get you like Linux, and for what I use it for, I like it, too. However, I do not see it as miracle cure for all computer problems.

Indeed I haven't met your father-in-law, I like to take it slow, you know? <3

Yes I get what you're saying. But even then..... How about safer defaults? Say Linux doesn't need to defrag harddrives, well, no more fake programs who do that perhaps . Not to mention the software center business. But as you know, at least if Linux had the same marketshare as Windows, more people would also work to improve it. Which would be easy, given its open-sourced nature. Thus I would imagine most threats would still be browser-based.

 

[captaincranky]

Feeling GIMP'ed by the GIMP huh ;D. Haha. There's yet again alternatives. Given what their funding must be like, GIMP is excellent.

That copuld be said of many things. For example."Hyundai is good on a budget, but if you want a real car, go with Maserati or Ferrari".

I agree about behind the scenes. Which is the funny thing with Linux.

Which Linux distro do you use? I haven't heard anything about needing an AV. Also, which VPN software? If it's like a .deb package for instance, it's easy to install (I mean it lol - gdebi does half the work for Ubuntu people).

I thought the Debian kernel was common to most distros, except maybe Fedora (?).

Yea imbecile proof. Until they get a virus, need to defrag their HDD and so forth.

Hey, the computer repair guy on the corner needs to make a living too.

You shouldn't bother with such things! Come here and argue with papa!
Good knows it all comment, I like it lmao. Has a nice burn to it.
It's no secret that a lot of proprietary software is made by indian kids copy/pasting codes ROFL. But then again, it's proprietary, so who knows?

OK then!(y)

Don't worry, I don't care about PC either - america is a terrorist state and the biggest threat to world peace!

That's because whichever Podunk sh!thole you're from, doesn't have the firepower to vie for the top spot!

See?

I do indeed!

 

[Kenrick]

I am in tears, I feel happy and glad that microsoft have realized how terrible their idea was. It took them months to realize this. Cortana must have been running the company for months until now.

 

[Kunming]

I am in tears, I feel happy and glad that microsoft have realized how terrible their idea was. It took them months to realize this. Cortana must have been running the company for months until now.

I would've loved to see Tay run MS.

http://www.businessinsider.com/micr...ets-from-ai-chatbot-tay-2016-3?r=UK&IR=T&IR=T

The question is though.....

Would anything actually change? Lmao. Guess we missed that boat sadly. But then again, we can take solace in the fact that Donald Trump is now president

 

[captaincranky]

I am in tears, I feel happy and glad that microsoft have realized how terrible their idea was. It took them months to realize this.

Yeah well, some things can't be undone. Those mutts trying to apologize for the way they handled Windows 10's introduction, is like trying to "unfire a gun".

I have all the software I need. All the software I use works with Windows 7. That's the end of the story. Besides, the "install Windows 10 now crap", was the same as any other malware, you had to click on a bad link to install it. I never got one BS notification about Windows 10, much less a screen crawl..

I guess that's because I'm stupid and ignorant enough to read what an update is supposed to do, before I install it.

So when you see an update where M$ says, "this helps you install Windows 10", and you click on it, whatever happens, you have nobody but yourself to blame.

ICortana must have been running the company for months until now.

No, they have some Indian kid running the company now, copying and pasting Apple's business practices into M$. Ask @Kunming , he'll explain it to you.

 

[Kunming]

Yeah well, some things can't be undone. Those mutts trying to apologize for the way they handled Windows 10's introduction, is like trying to "unfire a gun".

I have all the software I need. All the software I use works with Windows 7. That's the end of the story. Besides, the "install Windows 10 now crap", was the same as any other malware, you had to click on a bad link to install it. I never got one BS notification about Windows 10, much less a screen crawl..

I guess that's because I'm stupid and ignorant enough to read what an update is supposed to do, before I install it.

So when you see an update where M$ says, "this helps you install Windows 10", and you click on it, whatever happens, you have nobody but yourself to blame.

No, they have some Indian kid running the company now, copying and pasting Apple's business practices into M$. Ask @Kunming , he'll explain it to you.

Absolutely, you're too intelligent of a user to be on Windows! I'm impressed you didn't get even one notification. But if we're honest, isn't that simply due to your datacaps forcing you to keep your PC disconnect from the net most of the time

I could tell you all about those beautiful Indian kids, I have watched Slumdog Millionaire, haven't you? In the movie, a lowly Indian boy rises to the top of the food chain and soon realizes, that everyone cheats, which by extension means Apple probably copied those same business practices from some Korean company and then patented it. Back home, we have a name for things like that.



Innovation.

:*

 

[captaincranky]

Absolutely, you're too intelligent of a user to be on Windows! I'm impressed you didn't get even one notification. But if we're honest, isn't that simply due to your datacaps forcing you to keep your PC disconnect from the net most of the time

No, it's actually because I have some nagging mental issues. I'm too solitary to need a cell phone. (I don't bother answering the landline I do have). I don't know how to work a cell phone, and I'm too cheap to buy one. I have FIOS home internet. So, I explained my baggage to you, now if you'll be so kind as to explain, "what's a data cap", to me?

I could tell you all about those beautiful Indian kids, I have watched Slumdog Millionaire, haven't you? In the movie, a lowly Indian boy rises to the top of the food chain and soon realizes, that everyone cheats, which by extension means Apple probably copied those same business practices from some Korean company and then patented it. Back home, we have a name for things like that.

Innovation.*

Am I to take that to mean you live in the country of Cupertino CA? I know they were talking about succeeding from the union when Trump was elected, I didn't realize that they actually went and did it.

 

[p51d007]

Get as many on Windows 10, THEN implement a subscription based OS. Pretty simple if you ask me.

 

[Kunming]

No, it's actually because I have some nagging mental issues. I'm too solitary to need a cell phone. (I don't bother answering the landline I do have). I don't know how to work a cell phone, and I'm too cheap to buy one. I have FIOS home internet. So, I explained my baggage to you, now if you'll be so kind as to explain, "what's a data cap", to me?

Am I to take that to mean you live in the country of Cupertino CA? I know they were talking about succeeding from the union when Trump was elected, I didn't realize that they actually went and did it.

It's okay, you can always unload all your baggage on me, I'm here for you. Please don't feel bad about not knowing how to use technology, whether that be the most advanced internets or even a cell phone. After all, the two presidential candidates consists of one who has someone else write all his Tweets for him and another who isn't very good with emails.

Data caps are when greedy ISPs such as Comcast(best to cast them aside), Verizon (no hope on the horizon) or Time Warner (who has no time for you), purposely limit your connection, for their own gain, such that they can then legally extort more money out of you, such that you inadvertently help subsidize the very people who are oppressing you. After all, it would be totally and completely logical if water and electrical companies limited your use, just to piss you off .

I can't even believe you have to ask! That's just so racist of you. I don't know how, but it definitely is, somehow. You're clearly a racist. So which part of North/South Dakota do you live in sir? Thanks to Trump, we will now fence off Texas, so they can secede from the union. After all, where else will all the Mexicans go once the wall has been built and they scale it?

But let's be honest with ourselves here. Innovation was patented by Apple when they released the first iPhone! Since then, they've made further carbon copies innovative products.

 

[captaincranky]

I tried to float this metaphorical tale in another thread, maybe someone will get it in this one:

In case you don't; the dragon drooling poison is the M$ corporation. The demon girl is "Cortana", and the "poison apple", is Windows 10!

 

[Kunming]

I tried to float this metaphorical tale in another thread, maybe someone will get it in this one:

In case you don't; the dragon drooling poison is the M$ corporation. The demon girl is "Cortana", and the "poison apple", is Windows 10!

Did that get you 2k likes?

 

[Yynxs]

A friend of mine wrote me a couple days ago. He has a new notebook with W10. I told him "I'm sorry you had to do that". After I explained the 'telemetry' and reporting back to MS and how it also betrays troops in the field with auto-tracking the same way Google does and that MS isn't being government monitored in the servers for abuse or that their sysadmins aren't security cleared either (also like Google), he asked why anyone would allow that. I said 'stupid is as stupid does'. He asked me what I was doing. I said, "I use Win7." He asked, "What about everyone else?"

Therein lies the rub. What about everyone else? So. I'm buying a copy of Win10 and setting about breaking the reporting/telemetry and still getting the security updates. Will I have to do this with router only blocking? Can it be done with a desktop application or process or disabling a/some service(s)? Now comes the research to find if someone is doing this without having to ask MS's permission.

This admission of error in the article is only because a $10,000 award was made and is a strategic attempt to ward off other more trivial suits. If even 1% of the "1 billion" installs caused similar problems, then more lawsuits are coming. I've read enough to believe, 1% of just the upgrades is a low estimate when it comes to users having problems and losing money. We'll see.

My wife spent a couple months just getting her music purchased from MS to work across her devices. I refused to help because I told her not to upgrade to W10. Now that turns out to be a good decision. I did not break the installs with pseudo-knowledge.

Look forward to class action damages coming. Hundreds of thousands of technicians and millions of manhours lost repairing Microsoft's day-to-day arrogance and one lone Travel Agency woman fights back and wins. There will be more. The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

 

[Kunming]

A friend of mine wrote me a couple days ago. He has a new notebook with W10. I told him "I'm sorry you had to do that". After I explained the 'telemetry' and reporting back to MS and how it also betrays troops in the field with auto-tracking the same way Google does and that MS isn't being government monitored in the servers for abuse or that their sysadmins aren't security cleared either (also like Google), he asked why anyone would allow that. I said 'stupid is as stupid does'. He asked me what I was doing. I said, "I use Win7." He asked, "What about everyone else?"

Therein lies the rub. What about everyone else? So. I'm buying a copy of Win10 and setting about breaking the reporting/telemetry and still getting the security updates. Will I have to do this with router only blocking? Can it be done with a desktop application or process or disabling a/some service(s)? Now comes the research to find if someone is doing this without having to ask MS's permission.

This admission of error in the article is only because a $10,000 award was made and is a strategic attempt to ward off other more trivial suits. If even 1% of the "1 billion" installs caused similar problems, then more lawsuits are coming. I've read enough to believe, 1% of just the upgrades is a low estimate when it comes to users having problems and losing money. We'll see.

My wife spent a couple months just getting her music purchased from MS to work across her devices. I refused to help because I told her not to upgrade to W10. Now that turns out to be a good decision. I did not break the installs with pseudo-knowledge.

Look forward to class action damages coming. Hundreds of thousands of technicians and millions of manhours lost repairing Microsoft's day-to-day arrogance and one lone Travel Agency woman fights back and wins. There will be more. The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Why buy a copy? Just download the ISO from their own site and install it lmao.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO

You can disable a lot of it during setup. But being closed-source garbageware you never know . If you mainly use a browser everyday, just switch to Linux lol. Save you the troubles. I still find it hilarious to think of "security" updates for "Windows".

 

[Yynxs]

Yeah well, some things can't be undone. Those mutts trying to apologize for the way they handled Windows 10's introduction, is like trying to "unfire a gun".

I have all the software I need. All the software I use works with Windows 7. That's the end of the story. Besides, the "install Windows 10 now crap", was the same as any other malware, you had to click on a bad link to install it. I never got one BS notification about Windows 10, much less a screen crawl..

I guess that's because I'm stupid and ignorant enough to read what an update is supposed to do, before I install it.

So when you see an update where M$ says, "this helps you install Windows 10", and you click on it, whatever happens, you have nobody but yourself to blame.

No, they have some Indian kid running the company now, copying and pasting Apple's business practices into M$. Ask @Kunming , he'll explain it to you.

Absolutely, you're too intelligent of a user to be on Windows! I'm impressed you didn't get even one notification. But if we're honest, isn't that simply due to your datacaps forcing you to keep your PC disconnect from the net most of the time

I could tell you all about those beautiful Indian kids, I have watched Slumdog Millionaire, haven't you? In the movie, a lowly Indian boy rises to the top of the food chain and soon realizes, that everyone cheats, which by extension means Apple probably copied those same business practices from some Korean company and then patented it. Back home, we have a name for things like that.



Innovation.

:*

And here in America we have a word for it 'Infringement'. Just because theft of intellectual property is embedded in your street vendors economic model and your country's methods doesn't make it morally correct or legal.
FYI, innovation is making something new, not stealing something from someone else, copying it, and reselling it as your own idea.