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Mobo not reading Processor Type/Speed

By }{yBr!D^
May 5, 2006
  1. Ok, this current machine is running an AMD AthlonXP 2100+ and the board (MSI KM3M-V) can hold up to a AthlonXP 3000+ (333MHz FSB). I recently purchased one and put it in and the PC would shut off by itself... so I kinda figured that one out which must be that the temp is too hot... but my main problem is that the mobo isn't reading the Processor and keeps reading as if the old one is still in there. The BIOS is updated to v3.20 I'm pretty much stuck here...
     
  2. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    Hmmm, so no one knows how to fix this?
     
  3. 0009

    0009 TS Rookie Posts: 80

    are you sure thats the right bios version, it also could be something in the bios settings, im not sure, but try resetting cmos, and then updating the bios again.
     
  4. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    Yes, the bios is updated to the latest version. I'll try restting the cmos then after the fan comes in.
     
  5. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,566

    If the bios update and CMOS reset don't fix your problems, come back and give us your full system specs, including what kind of ram you have in there.

    We'll get you up and running ;)
     
  6. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    I plan on doing the switch again on Wed when the new HSF comes in... on another note the onboard USB/USB2.0 isn't working now for some reason, I did a quick switch of cases and now none of the USB's are functioning... this PC is driving me nuts!
     
  7. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    I was reading up on somethings from the MSI site and I see that for the AthlonXP 3000+ barton core its 166MHz FSB (Frequency) and I believe the 2100+ is set at 133MHz... I might have to switch the jumper to 166... maybe this will let it read and run at full power. By the way the USB's work now. I don't think I'll need to reset the CMOS.
     
  8. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,566

    What speed ram do you have in there?

    My guess would be you are running PC2100 ram (133Mhz) which would explain why your CPU is being underclocked.

    Get yourself some PC2700 (166Mhz) ram and you should be good to go.
     
  9. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    PC specs are as followed

    AMD AthlonXP 2100+ (FSB 333MHZ @ 133MHZ -Frequency)
    MSI KM3M-V motherboard VIA KM266 Pro / VT8237
    2GB of RAM DDR 333 (PC 2700)
    ATI Radeon 9600XT 256MB Video Card (AGP)
    Creative Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS 7.1


    -------------------------------------

    The RAM is at PC 2700 there are jumpers on the board that I'll need to change to alter the frequency from 133 to 166, the BIOS doesn't do it like other boards.
     
  10. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,566

    Well I just did some more googling for you. You are on the right track with the motherboard jumpers. I can't seem to find your manual anywhere online. Do you have your manual? If not, try contacting MSI and getting one.

    You'll need to set the jumpers to the 166mhz setting then trip the CMOS to reset it. If that doesn't work, then I'd update your bios and try again.

    Let us know how it goes!
     
  11. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

     
  12. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,566

    OK, I will assume that you have followed the directions in the manual and set the jumpers as it has stated, and this didn't work?

    I have read above that you have tried resetting the CMOS already, and that you have the most recent bios installed.

    I am almost stumped on this one. How about this? There are two Barton core XP 3000+ cpus. One is 166mhz and the other is 200mhz. Are you positive you have the 166mhz?
     
  13. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    I haven't done anything yet, I'm actually waiting on a new cooler since the system was overheating past 80 C... you'd expect this wouldn't happen when a HSF which is rated to cool down even up to a 3200+ heh.

    I will be trying these methods come wed... the bios is updated...

    If I put in the 200MHz barton into this system, the PC wouldn't boot up being that the motherboard only supports 333MHz FSB

    The 166MHz = 333MHz FSB as the 200MHz = 400MHz FSB

    I plugged in the processor last week, it booted perfectly then overheated, I wouldn't have the same results if I put in a 400MHz FSB Barton.
     
  14. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,566

    That is true. If your system booted up (and overheated) with the XP 3000+ cpu, then you can assume you have the 166mhz version, good news.

    Let us know how things go once you get that new heatsink on there! :)
     
  15. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    I'm sure the system is currently set as 133MHz for the 2100+ to function properly... once I put the 3000+ in it was working as a backwards compatible I guess and kept reading as if the 2100+ was still there... I'm guessing once I change the frequency then it'll fully read the 3000+ (crosses fingers) I'll let you know once I get the chance to try this... I'll keep the resetting of the CMOS in mind since the BIOS is updated to its latest which is v3.2
     
  16. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    Ok, right now I'm running the PC with the Barton 3000+ processor... already it had 4 or 5 failed attempts... as in it kept rebooting and reading things wrong.. for a second it read the barton as a thorton 2700+

    Now its reading right but... it keep rebooting... its not the temps.. everything is under 50 C and I set the frequency to 166MHz where it should be plus te new HSF...

    Field Value
    Sensor Properties
    Sensor Type Winbond W83697HF (ISA 290h)
    GPU Sensor Type National LM63 (ATI-I2C 4Ch)
    Chassis Intrusion Detected Yes

    Temperatures
    Motherboard 35 °C (95 °F)
    CPU 46 °C (115 °F)
    GPU 44 °C (111 °F)
    GPU Ambient 41 °C (106 °F)
    WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 35 °C (95 °F)

    Cooling Fans
    CPU 4219 RPM
    Chassis 5444 RPM

    Voltage Values
    CPU Core 1.73 V
    +3.3 V 3.26 V
    +5 V 5.30 V
    +12 V 11.98 V
    -12 V -13.76 V
    -5 V -5.40 V
    +5 V Standby 4.95 V
    VBAT Battery 3.36 V

    Looks stable and up to now its stable but at times the mouse and keyboard stop working for no reason then it shuts off.

    This is the complete PC

    Field Value
    Computer
    Computer Type ACPI Uniprocessor PC
    Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
    OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
    Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180 (IE 6.0 SP2)
    DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
    Computer Name MICHELLE
    User Name }{yBr!D^
    SMTP E-mail Address skynet02@bellsouth.net
    Logon Domain MICHELLE
    Date / Time 2006-05-10 / 14:52

    Motherboard
    CPU Type AMD Athlon XP, 2166 MHz (13 x 167) 3000+
    Motherboard Name MSI KM3M-V (MS-7061) (3 PCI, 1 AGP, 2 DDR DIMM, Audio, Video, LAN)
    Motherboard Chipset VIA UniChrome KM266 Pro
    System Memory 2048 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)
    BIOS Type Award (07/28/04)
    Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
    Communication Port Communications Port (COM2)
    Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)

    Display
    Video Adapter RADEON 9600 SERIES - Secondary (256 MB)
    Video Adapter RADEON 9600 SERIES (256 MB)
    3D Accelerator ATI Radeon 9600 XT (RV360)
    Monitor Philips 107S (107S2) [17" CRT] (YA 66238299)

    Multimedia
    Audio Adapter Creative Audigy 2 ZS (SB0350) Sound Card
    Audio Adapter VIA VT1617(A) @ VIA AC'97 Enhanced Audio Controller

    Storage
    IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller
    SCSI/RAID Controller SCSI/RAID Host Controller
    Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
    Disk Drive WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 (149 GB, IDE)
    Disk Drive GENERIC USB Storage-SMC USB Device
    Disk Drive GENERIC USB Storage-CFC USB Device
    Disk Drive GENERIC USB Storage-SDC USB Device
    Disk Drive GENERIC USB Storage-MSC USB Device
    Optical Drive DVD+R/RW DX082D
    Optical Drive LO5921C RSI051G SCSI CdRom Device
    Optical Drive LO5921C RSI051G SCSI CdRom Device
    Optical Drive LO5921C RSI051G SCSI CdRom Device
    SMART Hard Disks Status OK

    Partitions
    C: (NTFS) 152625 MB (105692 MB free)

    Input
    Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
    Mouse Logitech-compatible Mouse PS/2

    Network
    Primary IP Address 192.168.2.100
    Primary MAC Address 00-0C-76-F0-A0-2D
    Network Adapter VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adapter (192.168.2.100)
    Network Adapter VMware Virtual Ethernet Adapter for VMnet1 (192.168.117.1)
    Network Adapter VMware Virtual Ethernet Adapter for VMnet8 (192.168.92.1)
    Modem U.S. Robotics V.92 PCI Faxmodem

    Peripherals
    Printer hp psc 1200 series
    FireWire Controller Creative Audigy IEEE1394 Firewire Controller (PHY: TI TSB41AB1/2)
    USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
    USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
    USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
    USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
    USB2 Controller VIA USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller
    USB Device USB Mass Storage Device

    DMI
    DMI BIOS Vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD
    DMI BIOS Version 6.00 PG
    DMI System Manufacturer MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD
    DMI System Product KM400-8235
    DMI System Version
    DMI System Serial Number
    DMI Motherboard Manufacturer MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD
    DMI Motherboard Product MS-7061
    DMI Motherboard Version
    DMI Motherboard Serial Number
    DMI Chassis Manufacturer
    DMI Chassis Version
    DMI Chassis Serial Number
    DMI Chassis Asset Tag
    DMI Chassis Type Desktop Case
    DMI Total / Free Memory Sockets 2 / 0
     
  17. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    Well, I resetted the CMOS and re-flashed the BIOS... and the system ended up being more stable... loaded up Q4 at Ultra with 4x AA and the intro started then the PC turned off... temps never went any higher than 46 C ... I dont understand why this is doing this.
     
  18. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,566

    So you now have the FSB at 166mhz and you can boot into windows but getting random shut downs?

    Couple of questions:

    Am I reading your info above correctly? How many hard drives and how many optical drives do you have installed?

    What is your PSU make and how many watts is it?

    It is also showing you have 2Gb of 3200 ram. How many sticks? And what speed is each stick?
     
  19. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    I have one Hard Drive a Western Digital... and two Optical drives... a DVD+R and a DVD-ROM.. the rest are emulations provided by daemon tool... the PSU is 450w which is a PowerMax...

    RAM is 2x1GB (two sticks)


    *Edit* by the way, the other storage drives are from a USB Card reader.
     
  20. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,566

    What timings are your ram sticks set to? You can get this information in your bios. It'll be something like 3-3-3-8 (for example).

    I'd run www.memtest.org on your ram just to rule that out as a possibility. All we can do at this point is troubleshoot to try and find the problem (unless someone else comes along and sees something I am missing). Run the test for 6 or 7 passes (it takes a few hours).
     
  21. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    SPD Memory Modules
    DIMM1: Nanya M2U1G64DS8HB1G-5T 1 GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz)
    DIMM2: Nanya M2U1G64DS8HB1G-5T 1 GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz)
     
  22. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,566

    Let's work with your ram a bit just to rule it out.

    Try with just one stick of 1Gb for a bit and see if that stops your problem.

    If it doesn't, go in the BIOS setup & set the memory to something failsafe such as 3-4-4-8 and see if there are any improvments.

    And run that memtest I linked you to so we can see if you have a ram problem. I know it was working fine at 133mhz fsb, but it is being stressed a little more now that you are up to 166mhz, so it is possible that the ram is the cause. Worth ruling out anyways.
     
  23. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    If it is the cause what do I have to do to fix it?


    But here's the strange thing.. I purchased those two sticks as PC 2700 not PC 3200... meaning DDR333 not 400.


    Everlast reads them as PC 3200... which is strange, and how do I work memtest? is it only through DOS/bootable?
     
  24. }{yBr!D^

    }{yBr!D^ TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 74

    Another thing, I ran memtest and after the second pass at like 4 hrs it stopped... there were about 948,090 errors... :(
     
  25. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 3,566

    Was that with both sticks in at the same time?

    Try with just one stick at a time now to see whether or not it is just one of the sticks that have gone bad.

    Looks like we are getting somewhere!
     
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