More desktop friendly tweaks show up in Windows 8.1 Update 1 leak, April 8 release expected

[cliffordcooley]

Don't try to argue with this bunch. No matter what MS does with Windows 8, 9 or 10 they will always have something to cry about.

Let me come paint your car Red White and Blue. Then we will see if you cry about it, or decide to just live with it. Just think of the options you would have if your car surface was digital. But yet here we are in a digital world being locked into a single option, much the same way you are with your cars paint job. Take your trolling cry baby finger pointing and shove it were the sun doesn't shine. Does it sound like I'm crying now? Sounds more like I'm ready to pick up swords, and cut that labeling tongue from your mouth.

 

[TheBigFatClown]

@TheBigFatClown:
Do you know the crap YOU are spewing? Because you completely missed the point.
Metro is a foundation. A groundwork for something to be layered upon. The UI that you so hate (I do too, btw) is just "part" of the package. What if we could throw away that ugly UI and bolt the desktop UI on the Metro foundation?

There have been RAD APIs available for a while now, but none were truly integrated into the system and there were a lot of things you couldn't do. Metro is fundamentally integrated into the system. It's not bolted on. There is no translation layer. That means speed and that means flexibility.

What you fail to understand is that I am NOT defending the UI. I hate the Metro "UI", but I like the idea of the groundwork. I like both Desktops and Tablets to use the same FRAMEWORK, but NOT the same UI. The UI are completely separate worlds, but even so, both worlds can still use the same kernel and other functionality, such as networking, USB, etc.

I, for one, would love to be able to use Office on a Tablet AND on a Desktop. But I would HATE for it to be unusable on Desktop due to the Metro "UI". There needs to be a desktop UI and a tablet UI, but regardless of that, the functionality should stay the same, and that is the vision that I want.

Metro is a foundation? Since when? I thought that was the name of the touch UI for Windows 8. I must have fell and bumped my head somewhere along the way. It must be me. I am the one who is at fault here. Oh God, where did I go wrong? Where!!!!

 

[SNGX1275]

@cliffordcooley and the other guy you quoted. I used to be a big 8 supporter (see the Windows 8 discussion thread in Windows OS Forum here). But, I've largely abandoned that support now. The problem is, updates to Windows 8 didn't really fix anything. (previous Windows versions the updates significantly improved). Win 8 updates didn't fix anything really, just more of a comprimise and really means nobody gets what they want.

MS needs to make a clean distinction in the interface between mobile and desktop. They can still keep the mobile stuff in the code for desktops, as long as it isn't active, having that code there isn't too big of an issue.

They need to release Windows 7.5 and provide the file copy, iso mounting, and better task manager from Windows 8 and leave everything else like it is in 7.

 

[pmcardle]

Don't try to argue with this bunch. No matter what MS does with Windows 8, 9 or 10 they will always have something to cry about.

Let me come paint your car Red White and Blue. Then we will see if you cry about it, or decide to just live with it. Just think of the options you would have if your car surface was digital. But yet here we are in a digital world being locked into a single option, much the same way you are with your cars paint job. Take your trolling cry baby finger pointing and shove it were the sun doesn't shine. Does it sound like I'm crying now? Sounds more like I'm ready to pick up swords, and cut that labeling tongue from your mouth.

Oh, I didn't know you were being forced to use W8. My mistake. Or do you have the option to keep using W7? You pick up the sword and I'll pick up my 44. I'll then shove that sword so far up your crybaby a$$ that you'll have the taste of your own crap in your mouth..

 

[St1ckM4n]

^-- You don't realise that Win7 support expires long before Win8? That there is no SP2 for Win7? That MS probably won't flip-flop between designs, as it wants Win8 to be basis for Xbox/Phone/Desktop/Laptop/Touch/Tablet ?

 

[SNGX1275]

@cliffordcooley @pmcardle
Thats enough of the arguing. I'll let what has been said stay since you both got your words in. Further bickering will get edited/deleted.

^-- You don't realise that Win7 support expires long before Win8? ...

Bah, they'll just extend support once the deadline is getting close.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Bah, they'll just extend support once the deadline is getting close.

Much the same way Vista lost support before XP. lol

I'm still waiting for corporate to demand a Windows 7 SP2. That will make my decade and all this bickering worth while.

 

[St1ckM4n]

There's no real benefits to Win8 for corporate. On the flip-side, Server 2012 is great and in use extensively. Also, the user backlash if WIn8 was installed would be insane and not worth the amount of productivity hours lost (and support hours raised).

So yeah, Win7 will be in use until it's well and truly dead - unless something with normal GUI appears.

 

[Guest]

Okay, *sigh*, for starters,


People did not want to adjust "yet"? Guess what, most people didn't want to adjust "then" and they still don't want to adjust "now". It doesn't matter to me whether the market decides to manufacture *nothing but* monitors that have touch capabilities, even if that feature cost was implemented with no price premium above a similar monitor with all the same specifications. I still wouldn't have any interest in a touch-interface on a desktop operating system if it were "free". So let's be clear about what people don't want to adjust too. They don't want to "adjust" to a touch UI in an environment or situation where that makes absolutely no sense in 'adjusting' too. Windows 8 on tablets? I have no problem with. On laptops, sure, make it an option. There is no reason touch can't be another means of user input but the way you are wording your statements are misleading. It has nothing to do with adjustments. It has to do with choices, options, flexibility, ease of use. Having the freedom to "choose" the best method of input for your specific needs at a given moment in time. Windows 8 did not offer that out of the box.

I don't think people's biggest gripe with Windows 8 has anything to do with Windows 8 not being a "good" operating system. It has to do with the way in which most people "prefer" to interact with their computer. Most people sitting at home, staring up at a monitor for hours on end probably don't wanna have to hold a heavy tablet in their hand for 6-8 hours a day. This gripe resolves itself with a docking station but then what's the point of the tablet? You still only have a couple of fingers for input unless you use an on-screen keyboard. But why do that if the tablet is docked? Which brings us to the ultimate question....why use a touch-screen at home at all? What is the gain? Why restrict yourself to that limited interactivity?

Your throwing out red herrings to deflect the negativity being expressed against Windows 8. "Its a good operating system!" Okay, great. What's that got to do with the awkwardness of using a touch-screen interface at home? It's awkward, silly, stupid, illogical, and out of place on a big monitor in the privacy and comfort of ones own home and I would imagine, also at many other stationary locations where real work is done.

The 'metro' UI should be an option for input on Windows 8. Maybe a programmer does real work on the computer most of the time but wants to use his computer on a projector during a company meeting. So he hooks up his computer to a projector. And now, *only now*, the touch UI makes sense. In very specific, limited situations. Not as the 24/7 primary UI.

Microsoft simply went overboard trying to catch-up to Apple and Google. So, after having thrown their most dedicated users under the bus, they are now coming back to us, and throwing us a few bones. Will they throw us enough bones for Windows 9 to be a success? We will all find out soon enough.

 

[TheBigFatClown]

There's no real benefits to Win8 for corporate. On the flip-side, Server 2012 is great and in use extensively. Also, the user backlash if WIn8 was installed would be insane and not worth the amount of productivity hours lost (and support hours raised).

So yeah, Win7 will be in use until it's well and truly dead - unless something with normal GUI appears.

Maybe if corporations would stop discriminating against chimpanzees in the workplace then Windows 8 would become more widely accepted. It's just a thought. Think of the savings in the cost of labor.

 

[Guest]

I like the way TheBigFatClown addressed the subject. Speaking on behalf of some desktop users, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Windows 7 is my preference.

 

[Kibaruk]

The thing is, what you complain about is not broken, it just doesn't work the way you would want it to work, deal with it.

This is pretty much facebook all over OS. Facebook gets a new timeline, everyone hates it, everyone makes groups that hate it, everyone brings up petitions to bring back the old look, two weeks time... everyone is used to how it looks and people start liking it. Until a new timeline comes up and it's all over again.

It's just something about getting used to things you can't change and change what you can, if you like.

Give things a test drive, don't do it "I hate this crap but at least I will be able to complain about it", be open minded, try it out willingly, you won't even realize it but it's quite simple, it works the same way it used to work WITH a different layout but... it's the same! And in time, you'll even realize it's better.

PS: When I say everyone I don't mean EVERYBODY in the world, though you get the point.

 

[Railman]

The thing is, what you complain about is not broken, it just doesn't work the way you would want it to work, deal with it.

This is pretty much facebook all over OS. Facebook gets a new timeline, everyone hates it, everyone makes groups that hate it, everyone brings up petitions to bring back the old look, two weeks time... everyone is used to how it looks and people start liking it. Until a new timeline comes up and it's all over again.

It's just something about getting used to things you can't change and change what you can, if you like.

Give things a test drive, don't do it "I hate this crap but at least I will be able to complain about it", be open minded, try it out willingly, you won't even realize it but it's quite simple, it works the same way it used to work WITH a different layout but... it's the same! And in time, you'll even realize it's better.

PS: When I say everyone I don't mean EVERYBODY in the world, though you get the point.

Judging from the feedback it is taking a bit more than a couple of weeks for people to be convinced that W8 is fine. Frankly I am at a loss to understand the new GUI interface from the descriptions given. admittedly I have yet to try out W8 so it may well be easy to use but I don't see any benefit getting it at the moment. However anyone insulting people for criticism of W8 are not going to persuade me to run to get W8.

 

[Kibaruk]

Judging from the feedback it is taking a bit more than a couple of weeks for people to be convinced that W8 is fine. Frankly I am at a loss to understand the new GUI interface from the descriptions given. admittedly I have yet to try out W8 so it may well be easy to use but I don't see any benefit getting it at the moment. However anyone insulting people for criticism of W8 are not going to persuade me to run to get W8.

That's the thing, people right now don't have to get used to it because they have the choice to stick with what they already know, I used the facebook example to make a point, not saying it is the case here.

 

[Railman]

Judging from the feedback it is taking a bit more than a couple of weeks for people to be convinced that W8 is fine. Frankly I am at a loss to understand the new GUI interface from the descriptions given. admittedly I have yet to try out W8 so it may well be easy to use but I don't see any benefit getting it at the moment. However anyone insulting people for criticism of W8 are not going to persuade me to run to get W8.

That's the thing, people right now don't have to get used to it because they have the choice to stick with what they already know, I used the facebook example to make a point, not saying it is the case here.

Ironically Facebook is something I do not have an interest in subscribing to. Clearly I am not a social type

 

[Kibaruk]

Ironically Facebook is something I do not have an interest in subscribing to. Clearly I am not a social type

Well then **** the topic and lets notice every little detail used as example to not be of any help and just reply text with no coherence whatsoever to the conversation!

 

[cliffordcooley]

Ironically Facebook is something I do not have an interest in subscribing to. Clearly I am not a social type

In my case I decided I didn't need Facebook when they released the timeline. The day the timeline was forced upon me, was the last day I signed into Facebook. It is not beyond me, doing the same thing to Microsoft. If they do not get rid of the colored squares, I will not be moving forward. My resentment doesn't have anything to do with whether or not I could get used to the interface. If they changed the cosmetics a bit, I could see myself using the interface but not in its current "lack of new generation graphics" condition. I have a new machine not one ten years old.

By the way @Kibaruk my standpoint really doesn't compare to the Facebook example. Which is why I don't understand the "You Can Get Used To It" comment.

 

[SNGX1275]

@Railman, I am the forum police. and @Kibaruk You guys were arguing, which is fine (well maybe not fine, but sometimes acceptable), but you weren't really contributing anything to the discussion, posts have been removed. I tried to clip everything when it started to go south, if you really believe you made points during those arguments that shouldn't have been clipped, then please repost with just those points and none of the arguing that was included the first time.

 

[Railman]

@Railman, I am the forum police. and @Kibaruk You guys were arguing, which is fine (well maybe not fine, but sometimes acceptable), but you weren't really contributing anything to the discussion, posts have been removed. I tried to clip everything when it started to go south, if you really believe you made points during those arguments that shouldn't have been clipped, then please repost with just those points and none of the arguing that was included the first time.

You were right to step in as Kibaruk had used insulting comments which were uncalled for. Personally I was not worried but he clearly missed my previous comment that insulting folks for refusing to adopt W8 was counterproductive.

Speaking as an European we do not like it when an American corporation forces changes on us. MS is guilty of corporate imperialism.

 

[Kibaruk]

You sure added a lot of content to the topic again Railman...

As said before, it's up to you to try it out, to stay on the past, to see if you can change it for future use, if you like it, don't like it or whatever. Good luck to you all!

I'm not a Microsoft employee or anything like that but if you are willing or want to try out W8 and you want some tips or need some help yelp and I'll be here, you can quote me on a new post calling for help or send a pm. I'll repeat, W8 has lot's of improvements both in performance, battery life for notebooks, search speed and tons of shortcuts and improved administrative tools to make your life easier if you are able to get past the start gui, which if you don't like you don't even have to see to make windows 8 work

 

[Railman]

You sure added a lot of content to the topic again Railman...

As said before, it's up to you to try it out, to stay on the past, to see if you can change it for future use, if you like it, don't like it or whatever. Good luck to you all!

I'm not a Microsoft employee or anything like that but if you are willing or want to try out W8 and you want some tips or need some help yelp and I'll be here, you can quote me on a new post calling for help or send a pm. I'll repeat, W8 has lot's of improvements both in performance, battery life for notebooks, search speed and tons of shortcuts and improved administrative tools to make your life easier if you are able to get past the start gui, which if you don't like you don't even have to see to make windows 8 work

I agree with you regarding the under the hood improvements. It is also clear that MS have woken up to the calls to improve the GUI for desktop users. I still would like to try out W8 before purchasing it. W7 works well for me as I use it at work. My next PC should be reasonably high spec so performance should not be an issue.

Anyway kind of you to offer assistance.

 

[Guest]

I still don't like the look of the entire OS...in my opinion the start screen with tiles is ugly and wastes resources. What if I don't want a bunch of self updating tiles and prefer regular icons? I also do not like flat graphics at all...what a huge step back towards Windows 3 of all things...it's just awful to look at. I simply do not see Windows 8 as an improvement in any way over Windows 7. I doubt putting a half baked version of the desktop back in action will change my low opinion of Windows 8 in any way.

 

[Guest]

I'll repeat, W8 has lot's of improvements both in performance, battery life for notebooks, search speed and tons of shortcuts and improved administrative tools to make your life easier if you are able to get past the start gui, which if you don't like you don't even have to see to make windows 8 work

I'm not sure I agree with a lot of this...search indexing is irrelevant in the age of SSD drives and in fact SSD manufacturers say it should be turned off regardless of OS to stop needless wear. The point is Win 8 has no search speed advantage at all over Win 7 when using modern SSD hard drives due to the extreme low latency of said drives. Shortcuts can be made for anything needed in the rare case one doesn't exist for both Win 8 or Win 7 so again that's a none issue. I seriously doubt the Admin tools in Win 8 are better than the tools for Win 7...especially when combined with GodMode.

Real world advantages to an OS would need to be in the day to day use such as gaming or photo editing...in these scenario's Win 8 has little if anything to offer over Win 7 at this point in time. Indeed there is no "killer app" that only runs on Win 8 that would make it a must have for anyone running Win 7 at this point...a flat 2d graphical interface and start screen tiles are hardly must have OS improvements.

 

[Kibaruk]

I still don't like the look of the entire OS...in my opinion the start screen with tiles is ugly and wastes resources. What if I don't want a bunch of self updating tiles and prefer regular icons? I also do not like flat graphics at all...what a huge step back towards Windows 3 of all things...it's just awful to look at. I simply do not see Windows 8 as an improvement in any way over Windows 7. I doubt putting a half baked version of the desktop back in action will change my low opinion of Windows 8 in any way.

If you don't like dinamic icons you just remove them, it's that simple.

I'm not sure I agree with a lot of this...search indexing is irrelevant in the age of SSD drives and in fact SSD manufacturers say it should be turned off regardless of OS to stop needless wear. The point is Win 8 has no search speed advantage at all over Win 7 when using modern SSD hard drives due to the extreme low latency of said drives. Shortcuts can be made for anything needed in the rare case one doesn't exist for both Win 8 or Win 7 so again that's a none issue. I seriously doubt the Admin tools in Win 8 are better than the tools for Win 7...especially when combined with GodMode.

Real world advantages to an OS would need to be in the day to day use such as gaming or photo editing...in these scenario's Win 8 has little if anything to offer over Win 7 at this point in time. Indeed there is no "killer app" that only runs on Win 8 that would make it a must have for anyone running Win 7 at this point...a flat 2d graphical interface and start screen tiles are hardly must have OS improvements.

Well if that is the case there is no improvement in editing files since win 3.1... for the rest of us who don't use SSDs (yet) the indexing of files is a welcomed improvement. You are looking far and beyond for causes to not use it, that's up to you. I told some of the biggest improvements you'll see in day to day usage, you just dont want to say it's good anda gain, thats up to you but your arguments are not arguments in any case.

How is this awful or useless?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/boeh5jpl9woklik/win8 screenshot.jpg

 

[cliffordcooley]

You are looking far and beyond for causes to not use it, that's up to you.

You are looking far and beyond for causes to use it, that's up to you.

Just saying!