Mozilla employees ask new CEO Brendan Eich to step down

This is a bloody joke. I'm sure even gay and lesbian men and women think so as well. I mean he is entitled to his opinion just as others are entitled to be gay or lesbian or in between. Only people who have an issue with this must be people who have something to gain from it and are just making this the opening to have their way. :p
 
Personally, these Mozilla employees sound like a bunch of overindulged, pseudo-intellectual snot bags, who would find fault with whoever was appointed CEO, unless it was each and every one of them personally.

I work with some of these people and your assessment is wrong. They are actually very good human beings. Just because they have certain beliefs does not make them overindulged snot bags.
 
I work with some of these people and your assessment is wrong. They are actually very good human beings. Just because they have certain beliefs does not make them overindulged snot bags.

Sarcasm, is this sarcasm coming from you or perhaps some double-talk? Just seems that when you speak of tolerance, you're speaking in defense of the employees who are intolerant of their boss's beliefs.
Tolerance by definition has to be indivisible.
 
Tolerance by definition has to be indivisible.

It seems to me that you're mistaking "Tolerance" (big T) with tolerance (little T). "Tolerance", you see, is not tolerance. "Tolerance" is the endorsement of an officially approved viewpoint and the rejection (often violent) of those views not officially certified as Tolerable.

So to expect a Tolerant person to be tolerant of views that he does not endorse, or of those in opposition to his own, is much like expecting a stone to perform a butterfly...Inside a glacier. By virtue of the anatomy and state of the subject(s), it is an impossibility.
 
I work with some of these people and your assessment is wrong. They are actually very good human beings. Just because they have certain beliefs does not make them overindulged snot bags.
Actually, it does. I expect that a human being can be causey, intolerant, self righteous, indignant of everything they don't agree with, and still be judged "a good person", by you.

The reason for that is quite simple. The entire generation they're from is pretty much rife with overindulged snot bags, and that makes it hard to tell one from the other, and even more difficult to determine where a "good person" begins, or an "overindulged snot bag" ends. (And of course, vice-versa).

Once upon a time, we actually had to work, when we went to work. We didn't even have an internet to check Facebook, to "tweet", such gravitas things like, "I'm taking a pop on company time". Then too, no internet porn to surf on company time.

In short, we went to work, to "work", not to run around with our noses up the bosses a**, trying to find fault with his political, social, sexual, or religious values.

So, all these "good people", need to get their collective nose out of the boss's behind, and put them back in their monitors where they belong, doing Mozilla things, on Mozilla time. When it's time to clock out, then they can be as indignant as they want, about whatever they want.

And just as sure as you are that the, "Mozilla dissidents against CEO opinions", are, "good people", I'm every bit as certain, that Mozilla's new CEO is "a good person", regardless of how he feels about gay marriage, or anything else to do with his personal value system.

In other words, those "good people" should simply shut up and do their jobs. And that's not me being "intolerant", that's me telling you how "the game" works.
 
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Actually, it does. I expect that a human being can be causey, intolerant, self righteous, indignant of everything they don't agree with, and still be judged "a good person", by you.

The reason for that is quite simple. The entire generation they're from is pretty much rife with overindulged snot bags, and that makes it hard to tell one from the other, and even more difficult to determine where a "good person" begins, or an "overindulged snot bag" ends. (And of course, vice-versa).

Once upon a time, we actually had to work, when we went to work. We didn't even have an internet to check Facebook, to "tweet", such gravitas things like, "I'm taking a pop on company time". Then too, no internet porn to surf on company time.

In short, we went to work, to "work", not to run around with our noses up the bosses a**, trying to find fault with his political, social, sexual, or religious values.

So, all these "good people", need to get their collective nose out of the boss's behind, and put them back in their monitors where they belong, doing Mozilla things, on Mozilla time. When it's time to clock out, then they can be as indignant as they want, about whatever they want.

And just as sure as you are that the, "Mozilla dissidents against CEO opinions", are, "good people", I'm every bit as certain, that Mozilla's new CEO is "a good person", regardless of how he feels about gay marriage, or anything else to do with his personal value system.

In other words, those "good people" should simply shut up and do their jobs. And that's not me being "intolerant", that's me telling you how "the game" works.

You are really trying too hard to make it seem like they are not doing their jobs and all they focus on is this issue. They simply stated their opinion, while public, our company does not restrict people from having an opinion. That's what separates Mozilla from "everyone else."

All I was saying is your disrespectful labeling of them as over indulgent snot bags is insulting and too much.
 
They simply stated their opinion, while public, our company does not restrict people from having an opinion. That's what separates Mozilla from "everyone else."
Unless the CEO has an opinion contrary to yours, then you want to get rid of him for expressing his. Why is his right to his opinion less than yours or other Mozilla employees? I would argue that a company does indeed restrict people from having an opinion if they lose their jobs because of it. It appears to me that Mozilla employees embrace the idea of diversity, just not diversity of opinion.

Rather than calling for his head, why not engage him in dialogue to argue and convince him of the correctness of their position? Maybe they will succeed, maybe not but why won't these "good human beings" not be interested in trying? As it is, they sound more like a lynch mob to me.
 
You are really trying too hard to make it seem like they are not doing their jobs and all they focus on is this issue. They simply stated their opinion, while public, our company does not restrict people from having an opinion. That's what separates Mozilla from "everyone else."

I take that last sentence to mean, "that's why Mozilla is better than everyone else. And let me point out that neither, "separate", or "different", qualify as synonyms for "better".

At this point in time, Mozilla Firefox has been hemorrhaging users, its market share is down, is getting its corporate a** kicked by Google Chrome, the begging for contributions has never been more aggressive, and Google's contribution to maintain their search engine as FF's home page, is, in good measure, responsible for it's survival!

So now, we have the guy that invented Java stepping in as Mozilla's CEO. Which would seem to be a big plus over a CEO, that has nothing more than a pushy nature, and possibly an MBA.

A fair question would be, "what have you, or your merry band of gay rights supporters invented to help Firefox recently"?

Because from where I'm sitting, this guy seems a whole lot less expendable than any of you.

All I was saying is your disrespectful labeling of them as over indulgent snot bags is insulting and too much.
To which I'm going to suggest you're too close to the subject to make a meaningful assessment of that issue. So, let me be very forthright and suggest, (IMO), "you can't see the forest for the trees.
 
"It would appear that if you support same sex marriage, your job is safe. If you oppose it, then you may lose your job."

I think that this would really depend where you live. Many places in this world you could lose your job for supporting gay marriage.
In certain African countries they have or intend to introduce the death penalty for being gay so marriage is clearly not an option! In the UK same sex marriage has just been passed. There is still around 20% opposed to it but they tend to be older people so in a few generations it will be more acceptable. I don't understand why people feel uncomfortable working with gay people as I have never been targeted by them. I have worked with gay people who I really like as people and have respect for. On the other hand I have known a few who I disliked due to their attitude. But the same applies to straight persons. There are good and bad in all sections of society.
 
Probably for the best. Having employees that are willing to embarrass their company like that are of little value. Although I don't fully agree with Eich, He's entitled to his own opinion and deserves to have a job that he earned. If they are that outraged, they should find another job. That's what I would do
as a matter of etiquette we do not bring personal views to work.
 
MikeAcker said:
as a matter of etiquette we do not bring personal views to work.

he didn't bring it to work I see from the post, unless you work for mozilla, but he just donated 1k on the contrary towards gay marriage, whats up wit daat? freedom of speech.

not saying whether I agree or disagree, but cmon man. if anything, the people who want the ceo to step down are the ones bringing personal views to work, personal views opposing to the ceo's views, which the ceo showed view through a personal transaction to a cause, which shouldn't be public in the first place?
 
Personal views are what makes a person. There is no way, anyone can leave their personal views behind. High ranking officials are always being scrutinized by the media. And the offense doesn't have to be recent either.
 
I take that last sentence to mean, "that's why Mozilla is better than everyone else. And let me point out that neither, "separate", or "different", qualify as synonyms for "better".

At this point in time, Mozilla Firefox has been hemorrhaging users, its market share is down, is getting its corporate a** kicked by Google Chrome, the begging for contributions has never been more aggressive, and Google's contribution to maintain their search engine as FF's home page, is, in good measure, responsible for it's survival!

So now, we have the guy that invented Java stepping in as Mozilla's CEO. Which would seem to be a big plus over a CEO, that has nothing more than a pushy nature, and possibly an MBA.

A fair question would be, "what have you, or your merry band of gay rights supporters invented to help Firefox recently"?

Because from where I'm sitting, this guy seems a whole lot less expendable than any of you.

To which I'm going to suggest you're too close to the subject to make a meaningful assessment of that issue. So, let me be very forthright and suggest, (IMO), "you can't see the forest for the trees.

Let's be clear here, I don't agree nor do I support these people's view on this specific matter. In fact I'm very neutral about the whole thing, and quite personally I feel it's all over blown. But these people have a right to feel the way they do for any reasons and have a right to voice them out.

What I meant by "separate mozilla from every one else" is that even those C-Level people at Mozilla does not condemn anybody for having such opinions whether or not it aligns with their views and opinions.

The problem right now is there's too much mis-information floating about and it will be addressed in the coming weeks.
 
I think the whole issue revolves around the concept that this guy donated and as a CEO can also bring bad press against the company. They are not trying to throw the guy out the company, they think he should stand down.

I personally know people who would stop using Firefox, if word got out that the CEO supported same sex marriages. Makes no difference to me as long as support doesn't come from the Mozilla foundation. And to be honest this might even be the reason Mozilla employees want the guy to stand down. They fear the potential of this new CEO driving that nail in their coffin.
 
What Eich did on his own time to support his own beliefs is immaterial and wholly irrelevant. These bespectacled left-wing hipster lunatics in California and elsewhere need to keep to their jobs and not worry about whether their EMPLOYER takes a political stance on this or that side of the fence. It's one thing to disagree with the person who signs your paychecks, but another thing entirely to take up arms against them and campaign for their removal.

You'd better be damn sure that's a battle you can win, or else you might be the one submitting applications to Taco Bell in the near future because no professional companies will want to hire you after learning of your mutinous history. I know if I went on Twitter or Facebook or any of this other stupid social networking crap and started popping off at the mouth about my employer, I would expect that I would be out of a job by the morning. The sheer levels of CHILDISHNESS and disrespect that my generation (the current twenty-somethings) routinely and publicly display are truly concerning to me. We've got an entire generation of young adults that are spoiled ROTTEN from living in middle-to-upper-middle conditions their entire lives, where mommy and daddy paid for their educations, houses, vehicles, cell phones, and so on, and as a result they feel entitled to snap at the hands that feed because they've never known what it was to scratch at the bottom of the barrel to feed themselves.

Unbelievable.
 
In other words, those "good people" should simply shut up and do their jobs. And that's not me being "intolerant", that's me telling you how "the game" works.

Captain, I believe you have said it all within this post. There's really no arguing with anything you bring to the table here. It's just that simple: do your job and shut up. If you don't like the boss, leave the company and find a new one or build something of your own.
 
We've got an entire generation of young adults that are spoiled ROTTEN from living in middle-to-upper-middle conditions their entire lives, where mommy and daddy paid for their educations, houses, vehicles, cell phones, and so on, and as a result they feel entitled to snap at the hands that feed because they've never known what it was to scratch at the bottom of the barrel to feed themselves.
And soon enough that generation will die off, because they are not breeding. All we have to do as non-supporters is wait it out. No that won't work because we can't speak our minds, about how wrong it is.
 
And soon enough that generation will die off, because they are not breeding. All we have to do as non-supporters is wait it out. No that won't work because we can't speak our minds, about how wrong it is.

Well, they're also adopting young children and planting their wicked values into the minds of these kids, who then bring those values to school and spread them there. It's no surprise that we cannot speak our minds about how wrong this is, because the American left has a criminal network of lobbyists to intimidate and harass anyone who does so. It's rule by force and these hipsters of today are the useful fools leading the charge, deposing anyone who happens to disagree with their fragile sensibilities.
 
He is entitled to his views no matter how divisive, but is he then CEO material for a public company that is proud of it's inclusiveness.
 
[quote="WithoutAnyMilk, post: And I'm sure you would oppose firing a person in all circumstances if he/she has a same sex partner?
 
He is entitled to his views no matter how divisive, but is he then CEO material for a public company that is proud of it's inclusiveness.
So it is inclusive as long as you believe what everyone else believes? Seems asking him to step down is excluding him from the inclusion.
 
Can I ask my boss to step down because he voted for Obama?
I dont know, does it make me weird that I'd be more concerned with the future of a company where a sizable portion of employees think that someone's political views are more important the actual skill on doing their job (if said views arent extremist)?

****n tolerasty...
Can I ask you think before you post?
 
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