My first custom build PC

[hopgop1]

Motherboard, DVD, case, OS, RAM, CPU, HDD, GPU and the PSU I would like. I don't need too much breathing room as I don't plan on overclocking but you know much more about this stuff than I do.

 

[Jad Chaar]

This is a better choice of RAM for a few bucks more: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ...=1376603013&sr=1-1&keywords=corsair+vengeance.

I really recommend you go with AMD. It will leave you with much more money that can use toward a better PSU and GPU. Your GPU and PSU currently are pretty weak. What resolution do you plan on gaming at and what games do you play?

 

[hopgop1]

I am going with the RAM you recommended and I play on low end games like Minecraft, Garry's Mod, Counter Strike. I play them on 1366 x 768, but I am not too bothered about really high res as long as it isn't too pixelated. I am also not bothered about how loud the PC is either as long as it doesn't get so all I hear is the fans in my PC. Also I am really excited to build this computer and I would be nowhere without you guys, so thanks to everyone for the help , Also will the 430w PSU be enough or should I go with the 500w PSU or is that overkill? I have no idea xD

 

[Jad Chaar]

I am going with the RAM you recommended and I play on low end games like Minecraft, Garry's Mod, Counter Strike. I play them on 1366 x 768, but I am not too bothered about really high res as long as it isn't too pixelated. I am also not bothered about how loud the PC is either as long as it doesn't get so all I hear is the fans in my PC. Also I am really excited to build this computer and I would be nowhere without you guys, so thanks to everyone for the help , Also will the 430w PSU be enough or should I go with the 500w PSU or is that overkill? I have no idea xD

The 500W is playing it safe. You really do not need an i5 for Minecraft and CS, let alone playing them at 1366x768. It is your choice in the end though. I highly recommend upping the GPU to a 650Ti Boost.

 

[oldikes]

Honestly for low end games like that id save a few bucks going for an AMD FX-6300 or the like (I cant justify buying a dual core CPU these days :/) and another motherboard. Then you could even upgrade to a GTX 660 IMO. Thats a little better rounded, I think, than a 650 TI and an i5.

 

[Jad Chaar]

Yeah, I think an AMD FX6350 CPU + ASUS M5A97 R2.0 Motherboard + GTX 660 is the best combo.

 

[hopgop1]

The reason I want to go with the i5 is because I want to be able to record games like Minecraft at decent FPS and of course render and edit the video on the same PC, I don't need a particularly high end GPU because all I am doing is playing low end games and sometimes recording them. Also I found this GPU for basically the same price but it had an extra 1GB of RAM, should I go with that one, or the one I have currently selected.

 

[Jad Chaar]

The AMD FX-6350 would handle the recording load better I imagine because it has 6 cores. I think some recording programs use the GPU, not sure though. It is your choice though.

 

[oldikes]

For rendering and editing video, ram and having an extra hard drive are more important.

Recording seems to be a little more GPU dependant than it used to IMO.
Honestly with an i5 or with an FX-63XX youll be running minecraft at 200 fps so even if recording takes off 100 fps you're still plenty fine. (might be a little exaggerated but my point still stands)

 

[Jad Chaar]

For rendering and editing video, ram and having an extra hard drive are more important.

Recording seems to be a little more GPU dependant than it used to IMO.
Honestly with an i5 or with an FX-63XX youll be running minecraft at 200 fps so even if recording takes off 100 fps you're still plenty fine. (might be a little exaggerated but my point still stands)

Exactly!

 

[hopgop1]

So it doesn't matter which GPU I go with I will still run Minecraft at 200fps?

 

[oldikes]

We were more or less talking about CPU. Either the i5 or the FX-6 series will be fine.
As for GPU, anything 7770 to GTX titan will be fine too. I simply stated that you should get a fx-6350 and a GTX 660 because that would be more future proof for anything you might want to play later on, because the difference in CPU performance for your uses are minimal at worst. The 7770 wont have QUITE as much performance as the GTX 650ti or 660 though. I cant give you a specific FPS, but I could say the GTX 660 would easily handle minecraft at hundreds of FPS.
Actually im getting a GTX 660 in the mail either today or monday, if youd like ill try it out and give you an FPS count.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Actually im getting a GTX 660 in the mail either today or monday, if youd like ill try it out and give you an FPS count.

I know I'm happy with my GTX 660, I received the first of the month. It was quite a bump in performance from a GTS 450, which I'm sure would have played Minecraft with ease. A machine listed which is nearly identical to mine shows 200 to 300 FPS with the GTS 450. I'm almost willing to bet, the GTX 660 would triple the frame rate.

Best wishes to you and your GTX 660.

 

[oldikes]

Thanks. Its an upgrade from a 9600GT so im sure I will be extremely happy (assuming it works this time)

Anyway I didnt mean to go off topic so id say that you can also get a previous-gen FX-8120 ("8 core" processor) for a similar price as the FX-6350 (current gen). Its up to you. I still wouldnt advise spending that much on an i5 for your uses.

 

[hopgop1]

Thanks guys, so it the only thing left that I need to know is which GPU is better, this one or this one? The second had 2GB of GDDR5 whereas the first only has 1GB, why are they near as damnit the same price? What's the catch? xD. Any help is appreciated thanks.

if youd like ill try it out and give you an FPS count.

I would love that thanks, if you could make a new singleplayer world, put it on far render, fancy graphics, max settings all round, what FPS do you get?

 

[oldikes]

I was getting a solid 58-70 FPS. But with a core 2 quad, and ddr2 ram, I am heavily bottlenecked. That was also for 2 or 3 minutes, so maybe it would speed up as world finishes loadingSo with a new system, I could not imagine getting beneath 70FPS while recording.

Honestly, even with my bottlenecks, I cant imagine why I was only getting an average of about 65 FPS. I turned vsync off any everything.
But yea, thats how that went. Ima go try out some more...demanding games.

 

[hopgop1]

I was getting a solid 58-70 FPS. But with a core 2 quad, and ddr2 ram, I am heavily bottlenecked. That was also for 2 or 3 minutes, so maybe it would speed up as world finishes loadingSo with a new system, I could not imagine getting beneath 70FPS while recording.

Honestly, even with my bottlenecks, I cant imagine why I was only getting an average of about 65 FPS. I turned vsync off any everything.
But yea, thats how that went. Ima go try out some more...demanding games.

That's really great! I get between 5-10 fps on my laptop and even 30 would be amazing for me! I really appreciate you doing that for me!

 

[oldikes]

Its no problem. Minecraft is pretty much my favorite game anyway so its always sitting around

 

[hopgop1]

A quick few final questions (after these I will stop bothering you guys until October where I will build and no doubt fail and need your expert advice) I am going to be using my new PC in my room which isn't close enough to my router for a wired Ethernet connection so I will have to go wireless and if I am correct I will need to buy a card for that (this is the one I will get if I need it), I assume that none of my components have built in wireless internet.
Also I am going with the 2GB Geforce graphics card over the Asus purely because they are identical and the only difference is the Geforce has an extra GB of GDDR5 to it's name for just a few quid more.
Thanks everyone who posted on this thread I greatly appreciate it!

 

[oldikes]

You are correct, none of your other components have built in wireless.
That graphics card purchase is a wise decision. Many games now will use over 1GB and the 5 quid more is easily worth it.

 

[hopgop1]

Just an update before I order the parts,
Mobo, I saw this one ,and apart from being 20 pounds cheaper and MSI rather than the Asus one I originally saw, but on the MSI one it has one graphics card slot but I am worried because the GPU is quit big the WiFi card wont be able to fit in on either side of the GPU where the slots are, is the gap big enough? If it isn't big enough could the graphics card be plugged into the second blue slot (view the amazon picture) it's very similar to the other GPU slot but slightly different. Also the MSI board has OC genie II on it which (if it's any good, hoping one of you guys can tell me if it will find a stable OC or not for me) when I have more money I can buy an aftermarket CPU cooler and have a nice stable OC, I just want a stable OC nothing insane.
So basically with the mobo situation will the GPU block the slots for the WiFi card, if yes can the GPU be plugged into the second blue slot? If no what Mobo should I go for? The Asus one or a different MSI board with OC genie? Does OC genie II work and give stable OCs?
CPU
RAM
GPU
WiFi
Speakers
Windows Also I am a little suspicious of the price of the Windows copy, has the price been forced down loads by Win8 or is there crooked selling going on?
Case (I decided to go with the case I decided on originally as I like the look of it more than the 200R)
PSU
HDD Also with the HDD I would like to get a low capacity SSD in the future but will I be able to transfer Windows onto it or will I just have to have Windows on the mechanical drive with just my everyday programs on the SSD?
DVD-RW
Monitor
Keyboard

Is this all compatible? Will I need a higher wattage PSU or is the CX600 fine?
Also as of 22/9/13 on Amazon.co.uk it is costing me a total of £758.
Thanks everyone!

 

[GhostRyder]

For your choice, I have an alternative motherboard:
The choice you made is not a good choice to go with the 3570k, I would suggest this over what you picked! Try one of these three boards depending on what you want to pay:

MSI Z77 Gaming
MSI Z77A-G43
MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro I would not sugest this one as much as either of the other ones above because its a micro-atx board, but its still a decent board.

As for your other selections, they are fine, you will probably want an aftermarket cooler if you plan on overclocking. The 600 Watt will be more than enough for this build.

I do have a suggestion for the GPU based on your price point. I would suggest getting one of the following over a 650ti. Its just a little low powered a GPU for the price.

HD 7850
GTX 660
GTX 650ti Boost Edition

I would try for those just because the power difference will be noticeable. I personally don't like the 650ti or not versions, but the boost edition is alright. I just think the amount of power to the price is not good for the 50 variants from NVidia same with the 77XX series from AMD for gamers.

 

[hopgop1]

For your choice, I have an alternative motherboard:
The choice you made is not a good choice to go with the 3570k, I would suggest this over what you picked! Try one of these three boards depending on what you want to pay:

MSI Z77 Gaming
MSI Z77A-G43
MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro I would not sugest this one as much as either of the other ones above because its a micro-atx board, but its still a decent board.

As for your other selections, they are fine, you will probably want an aftermarket cooler if you plan on overclocking. The 600 Watt will be more than enough for this build.

I do have a suggestion for the GPU based on your price point. I would suggest getting one of the following over a 650ti. Its just a little low powered a GPU for the price.

HD 7850
GTX 660
GTX 650ti Boost Edition

I would try for those just because the power difference will be noticeable. I personally don't like the 650ti or not versions, but the boost edition is alright. I just think the amount of power to the price is not good for the 50 variants from NVidia same with the 77XX series from AMD for gamers.

As for the HD 7850, how much more power usage will they have? Will my 600w PSU handle it even if I OCed my CPU? Also there is a normal HD 7850 and an OC card, they are the same price but will one consume more power? Also how stable are the OC cards, I want a stable build not one where my GPU will stop working or burn itself out because it's overclocked. Also will having an Intel build work fine with an AMD GPU? Sorry for all the questions!! Thanks for the Motherboard suggestions though, the Z77A-G43 looks fine for me and it is my updated motherboard choice.

 

[GhostRyder]

Heres the deal, Intel chips and AMD cards work fine together, its not like in the past where the chipsets were physically limiting use of other GPUs, so no matter which you go with, they will work just fine, it will just mean install catalyst over nvidia control panel.

OC GPU's are fine, they are perfectly stable (unless you get a bad card, but you have the same chance of that from even non-OC cards). So I would not worry about that.

As for power consumption, a 600watt with your setup would handle even the Most demanding Single GPU's out there, a 7850 or 660 from either side will not be limited by your 600 watt power supply in any way. You could probably SLI or CFX 7850 or 660s with that setup and be fine (Though for CFX or SLI, I would recommend a 750watt). Either way even with overclocking your CPU and GPU, you will not exceed your 600 watt PSU.

 

[Obzoleet]

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I don't plan to order till October so you guys have plenty of time to help me

If you still plan on waiting until October you might aswell wait until the very end of October since AMD release their next gen graphic cards ,

And I know you don't really want to go with an AMD card but it could really be worth considering, Still the prices for other cards are likely to go down as well so you should be able to get a better card for less money no matter what you choose

Good luck with your build!

 

[hopgop1]

Going with the 650 ti BOOST edition from Gigabyte even though the Sapphire was a great deal and would have had better performance I just can't afford it. Planning to order in the next few days, will update you with how the build went since so many people here take their help, run and never come back, thought I should do something different. I will upload a YouTube video with a tour of the build, planning to build in 12 days assuming the parts arrive on time. Will have built my own PC at 14 which will be amazing and I owe it all to everyone here at TechSpot! Thanks for everything guys.