Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 Ti Review: Titan X-like performance $350 off the sticker price

My question would be into what market has the Titan X sold really well? My guess is to those who are looking for DP compute performance rather than the gamer market - just a guess, of course, because in that market, it is a bargain compared to any Tesla card.
Complementing dividebyzero's comment, the Titan X retains the same 1/32 double-precision performance ratio like all other Maxwell-based GeForce cards. It's not like the original Titan, which came with a much higher 1/3 DP ratio. The original Titan was a prosumer product, the Titan X is not.
 
My question would be into what market has the Titan X sold really well? My guess is to those who are looking for DP compute performance rather than the gamer market - just a guess, of course, because in that market, it is a bargain compared to any Tesla card.
Complementing dividebyzero's comment, the Titan X retains the same 1/32 double-precision performance ratio like all other Maxwell-based GeForce cards. It's not like the original Titan, which came with a much higher 1/3 DP ratio. The original Titan was a prosumer product, the Titan X is not.
I stand corrected. Somehow, I am not surprised that DP performance was drastically cut. After all, the big guys can't sell DP card for top dollar if lower end cards have similar performance.
 
The people saying this card is decent because its so much cheaper then the Titan X are drinking the cool aid. The Titan X is a massive ripoff for the price, anything you compared to it would seem like a bargain.

That being said this is a darn nice GPU that that runs 4K good enough, but not great. SLi will be required for 60FPS on many of those demanding games, or you turn down the eye candy some.

True the Titan X price is ridiculous, that said what do I know they sold really well so nice move Nvidia.

However keep in mind the GTX 980 Ti is 30% more expensive than the GTX 980 (at the new $500 price) and it is on average 25% faster. It was up to 37% faster in our benchmarks and worst case just 17% faster. -So not a bad deal when compared to the GTX 980 either, even at the new $500 price tag.

It is pretty simple really. If you want the most bang for your buck from Nvidia get the GTX 970, if you want the most bang for your buck and can see red and green then get the R9 290 or R9 290X. If you aren't too worried about value for money and just want as much performance as possible then the GTX 980 Ti is a nice fit. After all Nvidia can easily charge $650 for this card, its over 40% faster than the R9 290X and has no real competition... at the moment ;)
For solid 1440p perf, the AMD cards are a touch short too I think... also GTX970 isn't enough. 980 is borderline. The Ti looking like it covers it.
 
Jen-Hsun probably hopes that the tripping occurs after he's dropped the cash into the bank. Plenty of people seems to enjoy second guessing the companies strategy and forecasting dire portents at every decision...and yet the company still manages to build market share, and accumulate cash (standing at nearly $4.8bn as of last quarter). I honestly wonder how they survive and prosper given all the missteps. Probably the companies downfall is somewhere in the future - few are perpetual, but I doubt that it hinges on them turning the light out on a few niche sales of a card whose fully enabled GPU might be better served (profit wise) as the heart of M6000's.

Even if AMD's next gen cards are a major hit, I'm willing to bet they won't gain much market share. The fact is, Nvidia is a much bigger company with a very fervorous marking department and fanbase. They'll keep AMD on the treadmill, while they expand onto other markets. The same strategy that Intel employed, expect Intel pushed a bit too hard and now doesn't really have to do anything at all.

Titan X isn't a professional card. It's compute performance is terrible
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/15

It really doesn't have anything over the 980 Ti, especially when priced is considered.
 
I stand corrected. Somehow, I am not surprised that DP performance was drastically cut. After all, the big guys can't sell DP card for top dollar if lower end cards have similar performance.
It's more an architectural choice and trade off. Double precision and compute in general requires a lot of power and large registers to maximize the number of threads the GPU can handle in flight.
Maxwell was designed as a mobile-centric architecture - high performance per watt for the consumer gaming industry. Compute is at odds with this (as AMD has found out as well of late), so the decision was taken to strip out the double precision to maximize gaming potential.
When Maxwell was being designed, Nvidia took the decision to rework the GK110 (which is much better suited for compute) into the GK 210. This GPU will soldier on for GPGPU duties until Pascal arrives. The GK 210 is intended solely for professional (Tesla) work.
Titan X isn't a professional card. It's compute performance is terrible
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/15
The Titan X isn't a compute card, but those benchmarks are OpenCL based (so a comparison can be made with AMD cards), whereas CUDA coded apps are as a general rule more mature, and much more effective. Compile a list of OpenCL and CUDA content creation apps and see which OCL surpass those of CUDA - it will be a short list indeed.
Few sites bench OpenCL against CUDA on the same app, rather they prefer to "normalize" the result by choosing OpenCL only - basically the same scenario as games being tested in DX11 mode only rather than mantle for AMD and DX11 for Nvidia, even though performance is neither optimal for AMD, nor likely to be employed by the user.
Case in point:
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So, you were saying? You can continue with the guerrilla marketing, and I could continue to show OpenCL vs CUDA - or even worse, HPC workloads, but in the end, this isn't a thread about Titan X's shortcomings, or compute tasks (most of which you've supplied are synthetics), it is about the GTX 980 Ti.
 
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Predictable move from the green team. It's a great card but it's still way too pricey for most people. The 970 remains the best bang for buck option these days (when it comes to Nvidia's hardware anyway). Although, I am a bit surprised to see the 780Ti slightly outperforming the 970 in most of these benchmarks. I would have thought it would be the other way around... Either way, they are really close though.
 
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So it seems like everyone is overlooking the fact that for the moment you can get a r9 295x2 for only $550 ( or about half the cost of the titan x), which kills gtx 980 ti benchmark and edges out the titan x.
 
I stand corrected. Somehow, I am not surprised that DP performance was drastically cut. After all, the big guys can't sell DP card for top dollar if lower end cards have similar performance.
It's more an architectural choice and trade off. Double precision and compute in general requires a lot of power and large registers to maximize the number of threads the GPU can handle in flight.
Maxwell was designed as a mobile-centric architecture - high performance per watt for the consumer gaming industry. Compute is at odds with this (as AMD has found out as well of late), so the decision was taken to strip out the double precision to maximize gaming potential.
When Maxwell was being designed, Nvidia took the decision to rework the GK110 (which is much better suited for compute) into the GK 210. This GPU will soldier on for GPGPU duties until Pascal arrives. The GK 210 is intended solely for professional (Tesla) work.
Thanks for the education. I must have missed that explanation in other reviews; I should start paying attention again. :)

Compute is of interest to me as I am currently at 3,291 on BOINC stats - most of which comes from running GPUGRID http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/c6a7a0160ad4d12bfeed9c84b8fc4ddb (though I have stopped running GPUGRID for the summer due to the heat my machines generate when running it). I will have to do some more research on Pascal...
 
So it seems like everyone is overlooking the fact that for the moment you can get a r9 295x2 for only $550 ( or about half the cost of the titan x), which kills gtx 980 ti benchmark and edges out the titan x.
Are you also averaging the extra cost in PSU? Your savings buying the GPU is spent in extra horsepower to push a dual GPU card. Bet you didn't think about that one did you?
 
So it seems like everyone is overlooking the fact that for the moment you can get a r9 295x2 for only $550 ( or about half the cost of the titan x), which kills gtx 980 ti benchmark and edges out the titan x.

My close friend bought a R9-295x2 for his new build about two months ago, and he complains everyday at work to me about it. Crashes, blue screens, Display Driver errors, bad drivers (due to it being X-Fire), you name it ---and a crazy amount of heat and noise!!! That card runs hot!. To cool it down to the 70's low 80's (C) that CLC fan sounds like a jet taking off.

I've heard it. It really does. If he turns its cooler's fan down, temps climb real fast! 85-90C isn't uncommon while gaming if you want to keep the fan quiet.

He's already been trying to sell it to me and wants to buy a 980 Ti. He built an awesome rig based around a i7 5930k but he said the only component giving him issues is the graphics card. Oh BTW he has a Seasonic 1200w Platinum PSU so power isn't an issue.

The 390x may be good when it finally comes out- but I'd avoid the 295x2. The 980 Ti looks mighty appealing.
 
Are you also averaging the extra cost in PSU? Your savings buying the GPU is spent in extra horsepower to push a dual GPU card. Bet you didn't think about that one did you?
Oh you mean $10 a year additional energy costs? That is nothing compared to the price difference between the actual cards, especially when considering you are going to get better performance out of it.
 
My close friend bought a R9-295x2 for his new build about two months ago, and he complains everyday at work to me about it. Crashes, blue screens, Display Driver errors, bad drivers (due to it being X-Fire), you name it ---and a crazy amount of heat and noise!!! That card runs hot!. To cool it down to the 70's low 80's (C) that CLC fan sounds like a jet taking off.

I've heard it. It really does. If he turns its cooler's fan down, temps climb real fast! 85-90C isn't uncommon while gaming if you want to keep the fan quiet.

He's already been trying to sell it to me and wants to buy a 980 Ti. He built an awesome rig based around a i7 5930k but he said the only component giving him issues is the graphics card. Oh BTW he has a Seasonic 1200w Platinum PSU so power isn't an issue.

The 390x may be good when it finally comes out- but I'd avoid the 295x2. The 980 Ti looks mighty appealing.
Unfortunately your story does not ring true. The 295x2 is water-cooled and has a relatively quiet fan. In addition it is temp locked to 75C and will throttle itself to prevent higher temps so your statement: "If he turns its cooler's fan down, temps climb real fast! 85-90C isn't uncommon while gaming if you want to keep the fan quiet." can't be true. In addition the temp lock has not been an issue for me, even overclocked about 8% with 15% additional power draw allowed. At those settings the max temp I reach is 72C. I have yet to encounter any blue screens or display driver errors and I sit stable at 100+ fps and no visible stutter with ultra settings in Ryse and Shadow of Mordor. Witcher 3 runs on max settings with 60-80 fps and the stutter issues I was experiencing have been fixed with the new drivers.
 
He might have a dud. Xfire and SLI are always a much greater risk for stability and drivers than single GPU solutions. Sometimes it's just not worth it if all you want to do is play the damn games and not stuff around with diagnosing issues.
 
He might have a dud. Xfire and SLI are always a much greater risk for stability and drivers than single GPU solutions. Sometimes it's just not worth it if all you want to do is play the damn games and not stuff around with diagnosing issues.
There was a lot of variation in temps with the review 295X2's.The culprits seem to be chassis orientation and airflow, and possibly variances in the thermal tape application over the VRM inductors. As the link notes, the heat build-up isn't from the GPUs (their heat is transferred away by the cold plates), but the voltage regulation area which has inadequate cooling (two thin strips of thermal tape backing onto a copper finned heatsink but boxed in by the GPU cooler/pump at each end). Once the VRMs heat up (Tom's recorded 107°C) the cards PCB starts acting as an heatsink which begins heating up the other components (memory IC's, power plugs and cabling. In a reasonably intensive gaming session, these temperatures will start adversely affecting the cards operation if the airflow isn't sufficient to remove heat from the centre section of the card where the voltage regulation sits.
 
Why have you eliminated 1080p benchmarks..90% of people are still using 1080p monitors... How would they evaluate the performance of GPU on their monitor?

I request techspot to include 1080p results from now onwards.
 
Why have you eliminated 1080p benchmarks..90% of people are still using 1080p monitors... How would they evaluate the performance of GPU on their monitor?

I request techspot to include 1080p results from now onwards.

Yes but 90% of people don't buy a GTX 980 Ti and 99.9% that do don't play at 1080p.

Therefore not sure a $650 graphics card that can deliver perfectly playable performance at a resolution that is 4x greater than 1080p requires us to test at such a low resolution.

The mid-range to low-end cards will still feature 1080p testing.
 
Yes but 90% of people don't buy a GTX 980 Ti and 99.9% that do don't play at 1080p.

Therefore not sure a $650 graphics card that can deliver perfectly playable performance at a resolution that is 4x greater than 1080p requires us to test at such a low resolution.

The mid-range to low-end cards will still feature 1080p testing.
Actually I prefer playing game with Anti-aliasing on. The game looks much more beautiful on MSAA 8x. I've been checking reviews of alot of GPUs and even GTX 980(45fps) and R9 290X(35fps) fail to provide 60fps in GTA 5 with MSAA 8x on 1080p. So I thought GTX 980 Ti might be able to do that. But there are no 1080p benchmarks.

Therefore it will be better and useful to some more people if you add 1080p benchmarks too along with 2k and 4k.
 
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