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older hot swap drive cage help please

By Samstoned
Sep 17, 2006
  1. I bought an older adaptic 6 drive cage
    to replace my standard cage
    bought 6 scsi drives 80 pin seagates
    to replace the 60 pin ones
    drives all work on boot I can unplug one then plug it back in and it still works
    but I don't get a prompt that a device was unplugged
    if I leave 1 out on boot and plug in hot the system does not see the device
    I am new to hot swapping does it not work like usb
    have old bios should there be a bios control for this I can't find it
    Intel does not give a clue
    I have no raid setup


    reguards
    SS
     
  2. Blakhart

    Blakhart TS Rookie Posts: 353

    Hi
    If you had 68 pins drives previously, did they run with 68 to 80 pin adapters?
     
  3. Liquidlen

    Liquidlen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,094

    Sam...
    I only have experience with my Tekram scsi controller card and a firmware update to get XP to obatain a feedback signal from items hooked up down the line. scsi control drivers will not come from intel . Adaptec,Tekram and Promise write their own firmware for controllers Check the web for your's
    Also, scsi differs from USB in regards to "Termination" especially with the last item downline. You may need to check on whether your HDD's (80 pin) differ from the 68's in this regard.
    Sorry, can't be of much more help.
     
  4. Samstoned

    Samstoned TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,018

    the drive cage has chipset 3860Q adaptec
    I know its old the drives are 160 and the speed I'm pulling is 80
    it was cheap the whole setup was cheap
    want to get my feet wet
    the system does not show other controllers
    2 scsi's the drive cage is not listed
    I will try to see if firmware update for this chipset
    just noticed a spare raid card I had is missing darn those tech guys :knock: :D
    termination is fine
    the firmware on board I have set both ways and I have both types of cables
    not sure about the adaptec firmware bios control settings ,again tried the three diff ways but I could have had the
    MB bios set wrong
    wish better info on the net system is 4 years old Oh well
     
  5. Liquidlen

    Liquidlen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,094

    My tekram has a complete Bios screen seperate from the Award bios . It flashes, and tests scsi connections just after the ide/ram tests.Then windows starts.
    You've got to have a scsi controller somewhere!
     
  6. Samstoned

    Samstoned TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,018

    got the raid card from techy
    the adaptec screen come up and I could manage the devices found one setting not sure of enable/disable bios
    is this the scsi adapter bios or is this the MB bios
    the AMI scsi raid comes up starting the drives<<--- now this is new drive manager
    seems the scsi cage uses a LSI chipset 53C80 for scsi 2 not ultra
    have loaded that and found a fix for the error ,if this is an error
    it's a toshibe smc3 scsi controller error
    I don't think xp supports this older stuff
    may go back to W2K or set this up as a linux box
    at least now when unplugged I get a warning write failure and alarm goes off
    but no auto start on plug in I have to start it in the raid program
    maybe shoulda started with sata ,but I'm really a scsi type a guy

    took 9 years for one of my scsi's to die
     
  7. Liquidlen

    Liquidlen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,094

    "the adaptec screen come up and I could manage the devices found one setting not sure of enable/disable bios
    is this the scsi adapter bios or is this the MB bios"

    I know that there are other ways to control scsi controllers, ie some Macs ,and some sever Mb's etc have built-in software onboard.Perhaps this switch turns off the bios for this controller to allow external control???? I can't see this bios ( local card)shutting off the bios of another component especially the MB.
    You really need to find some specific manuals for this card!!!!

    "at least now when unplugged I get a warning write failure and alarm goes off
    but no auto start on plug in I have to start it in the raid program""

    This is why I answered your post; W2K & XP (I use both with my scsi card) do not see scsi natively like it was IDE . The scsi software has to send certain signals at the end of different events and Windows does not always read the signal's real intention. ie. the "write error "you got upon uplugging the device.Compare that to the same event under USB.
    Your answer will come from a properly written scsi software program.

    Just as an aside . Would a setting in your Mb bios for PCI to allow "legacy cards" or some variation on that help your situation?

    Anyway I am going to try and see if I can pull any of my old troubleshooting records with my scsi bus. I will get a chance over the weekend. I know I read about this somewhere.
     
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