Radeon R9 290 Review: Kick-*** value, same top notch performance

This is a stupid move by AMD. I have been trying to get a pair of R9 290x cards for 5970x1080 on Battlefield 4. Those cards are almost impossible to find for near retail price ($550). Now, AMD flooded the market with these $400 cards that are almost the same performance. Most people that don't need that extra 10% (myself sadly excluded) are going to just save $150 and get the 60 fps they need. AMD should have waited a month to release, crank the price for a month, or just resupplied the stock for the R9 290x.
Look on the bright side...You could have puller the trigger on a 290X (assuming you could find one in stock) only to have the card devalued almost immediately.
Third party cooling might serve to differentiate the two models (not by the 27% difference in cost though), but certainly not reference.
 
"One thing that I still don't get, however: with over half the PC games now being console ports, why are they nearly always optimized for Nividia when the consoles all run AMD?"

A/ Those AMD powered next gen consoles aren't out yet, so how could they already affect half the games out NOW? Current gen PS3 using nVIDIA, and the 360 uses AMD, so I don't know how you are confused.

B/ A lot of games are optimized for nVIDIA, because nVIDIA took the time and put in the money to work closely with developers to get the best performance. AMD not so much back in the day. When AMD wasn't doing it, it was every AMD fanboy and his dog saying nVIDIA just paid devs to put TWIMTBP logos in their games. Man I hated those people.
 
A good card/driver here and there is nice but I will need to see continued success on all of AMD's fronts for an extended period of time before I go anywhere near them again. That being said, this has been an excellent quarter for AMD as a whole. Great card here, the noise and heat was expected with AMD's stock cooler I hope this doesn't deter anyone's decision, aftermarket options will be here before you blink.
The people who bought Titans & R290X's are the same fools who bought dual GPU cards, good.... glad they got jacked. Posers. :p
 
Bring on the Vapor-X, Saphire.

One thing that I still don't get, however: with over half the PC games now being console ports, why are they nearly always optimized for Nividia when the consoles all run AMD?

the answer to your question is Money!
 
Steve If you truly did that, how is it possible to give lower temps than the 280x!!? What about the performance at these temps, It should perform much better?

I think AMD said, that 290 and 290x are disigned to work at 95c. But if a custom cooler can bring them down to 62-72c that also kills 280x!

I would love to see some photos of it.
 
Ploutonas did I say, I did it? Yes I did so that means I truly did it, we are not in the business of lying to our readers. Why do you think it is operating cooler than the 280X? It does nothing for the performance or at least nothing much since we didn’t see any throttling. It could make a bit of a difference on the 290X however.

I have attached some photos for those that require evidence.

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Sorry if you took it wrongly... I didn't mean to call you that, it is just surprising... Then it's a killer card indeed, only the consumption is a bit high, especially in crossfire.
I am in the process to pick my new cards also, but I can't wait for radeon 290's, because its a replacement for me and I have to choose from the already existent in the market gpu's. 290 Is going to take about 1 month to come in my country.
So I am between gtx770 sli or 280x crossfire (I will get 1 free and I will buy the second one). And I dont know what to choose yet..
 
Okay not a problem. Just to clarity something for earlier the Radeon R9 290X runs at 83 degrees with the AMD reference cooler (the same cooler from the R9 290). The HIS IceQ X2 gets the R9 280X down to 70 degrees in FurMark so the R9 290 was 6 degrees warmer with the same IceQ X2 cooler.
 
A good card/driver here and there is nice but I will need to see continued success on all of AMD's fronts for an extended period of time before I go anywhere near them again. That being said, this has been an excellent quarter for AMD as a whole. Great card here, the noise and heat was expected with AMD's stock cooler I hope this doesn't deter anyone's decision, aftermarket options will be here before you blink.
The people who bought Titans & R290X's are the same fools who bought dual GPU cards, good.... glad they got jacked. Posers. :p

Yeah it is interesting how the 290 is basically the same as the 290x. I bet in future driver updates, the 290X will take the lead. Bad move by AMD IMO. The 290X could have been/continued to be a huge hit if it werent for this 290.
 
The people who bought Titans & R290X's are the same fools who bought dual GPU cards, good.... glad they got jacked. Posers. :p
Kind of depends what end use the user is putting the cards to. I'd agree that there is little to recommend a 290X over a 290, but Titan offers double precision and a larger framebuffer, so anyone using Maya (which utilizes both single and double precision) or Blender gets the best bang-for-buck from Titan:
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For gaming, Titan is a complete waste of feature set, and was relegated to "also ran" status as soon as the GTX 780 Classified, iChill HerculeZ, and HoF arrived some time ago.
I'd also note that some people who'd never, ever pay more than $250-300 for a graphics card (singular), consider anyone buying a $400+ card that will halve in value inside 6-12 months, to be either a poser or a high-function mor0n. Probably depends upon priorities and disposable cash situation, as much as mental health status and poor self esteem.
 
Yeah it is interesting how the 290 is basically the same as the 290x. I bet in future driver updates, the 290X will take the lead. Bad move by AMD IMO. The 290X could have been/continued to be a huge hit if it werent for this 290.
I agree, having them so close together in performance is actually shocking to say the least, I was expecting a close race between them, but this almost seems insane. I bet if you bumped the clock speed of a 290 to 1050 around there, you would be right on par with a 290X, its a tough decision as I hold 2 Sapphires in my newegg checkout lol, though im fighting myself to wait for more X versions.

The people who bought Titans & R290X's are the same fools who bought dual GPU cards, good.... glad they got jacked. Posers. :p
"We" didn't get "Jacked" were more than happy stomping games out at ultra settings at high resolutions thank you very much.

Now I think all that's left is to hear the infamous 780ti and see where it lands, this is going to be a heck of a year for PC gaming seeing all these power houses come out like this.
 
GhostRyder tbh it sounds like you have plenty of cash to burn, if you're replacing 2x 6990's with 2x 290Xs. Unless I'm misunderstanding you? In any case, that's not a wise move unless you REALLY have countless money to burn, in which case you'd pick NVIDIA anyway.
 
GhostRyder tbh it sounds like you have plenty of cash to burn, if you're replacing 2x 6990's with 2x 290Xs. Unless I'm misunderstanding you? In any case, that's not a wise move unless you REALLY have countless money to burn, in which case you'd pick NVIDIA anyway.
Your right, I am going to replace them eventually probably with a pair of R90X cards when they get in stock though im now holding off till the 780ti comes out to see where it falls in the market. Do I have money to burn? Not really, if I did I would upgrade every new generation, I save money to the side for my computer and when the computer starts to struggle with High-Ultra settings, its time to replace. I paid 350 dollars a piece for my pair of 6990's (700 total from the same guy) lightly used November 2011 and bought a pair of water blocks 2 weeks after that. If your into running things at a high resolution and high graphics settings, then buying for more power and skipping a generation in the long run turns out to be a better cost effective plan. If newegg had not messed up my order, I probably would have an Asus GTX 590 with one waterblock instead at the 700 buck price point but I got lucky, not that I need to explain my situation.

I like the R90X because its power, performance, and price, all fit into a nice tight 2 card budget where I can grab a couple blocks and seamlessly replace my existing 6990s by undoing both quick disconnects and just sliding them in, simple as that. If anything, I would rather see some dual GPU variants come out to just replace my 6990's with the umm...Whatever they would call the Dual 290X's (295X?) but that's not going to happen as we all know unless AMD makes some miracle cards that can handle 2 of those on one PCB, or wait for the 790 which is sure to come before too long.

The R90 is a better overall value at this point, so its more than food for thought. Its a repeat of the Titan - 780 argument and whether or not getting that slight bump is worth (Now double) the price. But I guess this does pose one major point, you can get 3 r90's for 1200 respectively and 2 X variants for 1100, that's actually not a bad idea. Well you now got me thinking St1ckM4n...
 
I'd also note that some people who'd never, ever pay more than $250-300 for a graphics card (singular), consider anyone buying a $400+ card that will halve in value inside 6-12 months, to be either a poser or a high-function mor0n. Probably depends upon priorities and disposable cash situation, as much as mental health status and poor self esteem.
I love it when you deviate from all that tech jazz and lay it down, its good to hear someone as respected as you give us some raw material! But I gotta say Graham, this comment about pricing surprises me a little, especially coming from you. Surely you of all people know that all hardware quickly becomes yesterday's news and prices change drastically, especially after 6 months. Half a year is an eternity in this business.
Which is why I always buy second best. 90% of the performance of the top dog, but far less expensive.
 
I'm curious about the testbed used in testing these graphics cards.
If it's a bench (devices laid out on a flat surface, not in a case) then an open air cooling solution will be miles better than a fan blower. But if it's a small enclosed case (like my Temjin TJ08) with high pressure positive airflow then an open air cooler is a poor choice as it will be starved of air and a fan blower might give better results. Plus a fan blower ejects the hot air out of the case whereas an open fan can throw it back into the case.

In reviews the open air coolers give significantly better cooling results than blowers but most reviewers use open benches for testing.
 
I love it when you deviate from all that tech jazz and lay it down, its good to hear someone as respected as you give us some raw material! But I gotta say Graham, this comment about pricing surprises me a little, especially coming from you. Surely you of all people know that all hardware quickly becomes yesterday's news and prices change drastically, especially after 6 months. Half a year is an eternity in this business.
Which is why I always buy second best. 90% of the performance of the top dog, but far less expensive.
Basically it comes down to different strokes for different folks. My criteria for buying hardware and the time I invest into getting it working is really only applicable to me - it's why I never denigrate another's choices in hardware, or try to talk them out of a purchase if they have their mind made up.
Looking solely from a gaming/benching perspective, there are a group of people out there who simply must have the latest benchmark queen on Day One. What is there to recommend the purchase? Inflated prices, generally reference only design, immature drivers, early adopter guinea pigs for software beta testing and hardware fault finding ? On the face of it, except for the e-peen value there is little to recommend the purchase....except that one thing that defines "enthusiast".
The enthusiast lives for the next big thing. Tinkering, fine tuning, modding, hacking, time, and resources required to produce the end result becomes its own validation. It is why the buyer of a prebuilt Maingear watercooled, quad GPU system is seen as something vastly less than the person who builds the same machine from parts.

Most of the people who come to me for system building/upgrades have entire systems that cost less than my graphics card- I'm sure they view me as mentally unhinged for pouring money into parts that depreciate as soon as I open the box they arrive in. Every person has a cut-off point where they simply can't justify the cash outlay to themselves; the $500 system buyer sees the $1000-1500 system as frivolous. Likewise, with the $1-1.5K system buyer viewing a $3K build, and the $3K system buyer can't justify the price or work required for phase change cooling or hardmodded graphics. The difference with the enthusiast is that they don't try to justify the price, need to justify the time, or care that much about the achievement once it is reached. New parts are now on the horizon, and a new journey to the next achievement awaits. The component cost is simply the price of admission for some people.

In the end it doesn't matter if you're talking about some guy with a compulsion to brag about their latest shiny thing with a GPU-Z validation, or someone frankensteining Titans to deliver more power and blowing up a few thousand dollars worth of hardware. The top parts sell and drive the entire product line (and the reason that people get locked into upgrade cycles) particularly second-tier parts with the reflected glory and kinship with the halo parts. There's also a reason that mainstream cards don't supply the bulk of reviews and forum wars even though they represent the vast majority of sales.
 
I'm curious about the testbed used in testing these graphics cards.
If it's a bench (devices laid out on a flat surface, not in a case) then an open air cooling solution will be miles better than a fan blower. But if it's a small enclosed case (like my Temjin TJ08) with high pressure positive airflow then an open air cooler is a poor choice as it will be starved of air and a fan blower might give better results. Plus a fan blower ejects the hot air out of the case whereas an open fan can throw it back into the case.

In reviews the open air coolers give significantly better cooling results than blowers but most reviewers use open benches for testing.


We don't use open air test beds, we use the Cooler Master HAF XB.
 
Do I have money to burn? Not really, if I did I would upgrade every new generation, I save money to the side for my computer and when the computer starts to struggle with High-Ultra settings, its time to replace.

Well, the only reason I ask is because I'm not convinced that 2x 6990 is worse than 2x R9 290. And, if it is, it's by the skin of its teeth. To me, this doesn't justify a $1100 price-tag (minus some for selling the existing cards). Doubly so, because probably no gamees have come out recently that really push the envelope (immature drivers for brand-new games not counted).
 
Well, the only reason I ask is because I'm not convinced that 2x 6990 is worse than 2x R9 290. And, if it is, it's by the skin of its teeth. To me, this doesn't justify a $1100 price-tag (minus some for selling the existing cards). Doubly so, because probably no gamees have come out recently that really push the envelope (immature drivers for brand-new games not counted).

GhostRyder Just wait for 22nm based cards!
 
I think they were forced to price this card so low because nvidia also dropped prices lower than expected. Competition at work guys! Now if only AMD was this good at making CPU's ^_^
Surely retail coolers would be better...

And yes... Intel is busy counting their money with Ivy Bridge and Haswell. AMD should take the opportunity to catch up.
 
Well, the only reason I ask is because I'm not convinced that 2x 6990 is worse than 2x R9 290. And, if it is, it's by the skin of its teeth. To me, this doesn't justify a $1100 price-tag (minus some for selling the existing cards). Doubly so, because probably no gamees have come out recently that really push the envelope (immature drivers for brand-new games not counted).
Well look at it this way, remember scaling at GPU 3 and 4 starts to drop and while I have a lot of performance, each GPU now has almost the same amount of stream processors and the same amount of ram with a double sized bus for one GPU. The fact is then you have to support better scaling on multiple GPU's, 2 290X should outperform my current rig finally and a third later would go way beyond my setup. I always "Try" to skip the next generation (Though I've broken my rules recently) with GPU's. I may go for 3 R90 GPU's if this stretch of unavailability continues personally for the X variants.

GhostRyder Just wait for 22nm based cards!
Im to impatient JC713, im wanting to try something different this round and go back to Single GPU power with multiple cards since Dual GPU's (Minus the possibility of a 790) are probably not going to exist.
 
Some updated info guys. I took the IceQ X2 cooler off the HIS Radeon R9 280X and stuck it on our R9 290 sample. Cooling was dramatically improved. The FurMark stress test maxed out at 76 degrees while the card never exceeded 63 degrees in Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4. So it seems as expected the board partners will be able to solve the heat issues of the reference card.

Would I be able to take coolers from 7970 cards (Like windforce, DCU2 or something like it) and install on R9 290 since 280X and 7970 is basically the same card, or am I missing something?
 
Would I be able to take coolers from 7970 cards (Like windforce, DCU2 or something like it) and install on R9 290 since 280X and 7970 is basically the same card, or am I missing something?


There is a very good chance but we cannot say with absolute certainty you can. The HIS IceQ X2 cooler is certainly compatible as we proved though. If you can't wait for the board partner versions you are best off buying an after market cooler from Arctic-Cooling or something along those lines.
 
Would I be able to take coolers from 7970 cards (Like windforce, DCU2 or something like it) and install on R9 290 since 280X and 7970 is basically the same card, or am I missing something?


There is a very good chance but we cannot say with absolute certainty you can. The HIS IceQ X2 cooler is certainly compatible as we proved though. If you can't wait for the board partner versions you are best off buying an after market cooler from Arctic-Cooling or something along those lines.

I jumped the gun and bought two R9 290s, reference design. I would buy the Arctic Accelero if they didn't take up more than 2 slots. I'm running them in a micro ATX case, which means high heat output and confined space. Do you know if the Accelero Hybrid takes more than 2 slots?
 
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