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Revised BitTorrent protocol removes the need for ISP throttling

Discussion in 'TechSpot News and Comments' started by Matthew, Nov 2, 2009.

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  1. Shalimar Newcomer, in training

    While the intent is good I seriously doubt it'll work.. since it's only a matter of a very short time before some morons liek Comcast, Cogeco or Bell (aka hell) try to manipulate this for their own benefit. All of the above have proven they don;t give a rats *** about their customers after all.. and hence why many of us refuse to deal with them at all.
  2. Puiu TechSpot Enthusiast

    If it's going to help those who aren't downloading but are experiencing slowdowns then i'm all in. I'm going to download uTorrent 2.0 now.
  3. waterytowers Newcomer, in training

    I tend to side with the analysis of George Ou, which indicates the congestion control doesn't work that well. I can't see why you would tack congestion control onto the Bittorent protocol. If you want to fight bandwidth issues use traffic control to guarantee all protocols get bandwidth ahead of Bittorrent. Set all bandwidth intensive protocols to a low priority. This should be a default configuration on the router/modem for anyone that runs Bittorrent, otherwise when they run Bittorrent they can't browse the web without long delays. ISPs are in the best position to throttle specific traffic but they are only likely to do this if customers complain because they cant access the web and it is due to congestion from too many Bittorrent users.
  4. ron5334 Newcomer, in training

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
    I could see where improved bandwidth utilization can benefit a lot of different users. The real problem with bandwidth is the ISPs needing to do the upgrades to handle the increased traffic. Everyday more people are logging onto the internet, spending more time online and doing more. Streaming video will most likely become the next big bandwidth hog. The ISP's will need to upgrade their infrastructures to handle the increased traffic. Getting the greedy ISP's to shell out for the upgrades to fiber optic and other hardware will be the real challenge. When major companies like Comcast choose to throttle rather than upgrade or start suggesting new "pricing plans" based on bandwidth usage, it shows where there priorities really are.
    just my humble opinion
  5. Rick TechSpot Staff

    The problem with using traffic shaping on Bittorrent is that much of the traffic is encrypted anymore. Without some expensive, massively scaled, sophisticated traffic analysis, it is far from ideal -- or even possible -- to treat non-torrent encrypted traffic fairly.. especially a high percentage of the time.

    VPNs, SSL, SSH and other sources of very legitimate, encrypted traffic should be prioritized over bittorrent based upon importance IMO, but encryption makes that tough. You could prioritize traffic that meets certain inspection criteria over standard ports, but many business don't use the typical ports for these kinds of things. You could analyze the traffic for P2P behavior, but then perhaps legitimate services like TOR, Ventrilo, Steam, certain games etc.. suffer.

    Also, putting BT at the bottom of the priority list doesn't solve the problem. If there's too much BT traffic, then decent BT traffic like Blizzard Updater and other encrypted traffic that appears to be P2P- like (certain games, Steam and such) will become unusable. That would be a shame.

    This is probably part of a greater solution that should include *some* prioritization as well as infrastructure upgrades. But I'm all for BT regulating itself. The Internet is a big place and it is difficult for a nanny to regulate and monitor, so if protocols can handle this part themselves somewhat reliably, then more power to them.
  6. limpangel Newcomer, in training

    ISPs will maybe (and thats a big maybe) stop throtlling only if all bt clients use this technology and that will take some time, even after it is released out in the open by the utorrent developers (if they ever release the specifications).
  7. swilllx2p Newcomer, in training

    In my opinion ISPs are going to keep throttling regardless of whether this protocol is used or not and, personally i don't much care for it at all. I don't mind the protocol but i see it as another excuse for ISPs not to upgrade there speeds. It's long overdue and I hate to see them get reasons to prolong it even more.
  8. strategic TechSpot Paladin

    The downloading of torrent files should be 'capped' at a given speed (no more than 2x dial-up speed) which has no connection with the ISP speed whatsoever. All this downloading has a major effect on everyone's internet browsing and everyone who downloads these torrent files should have to wait a long time for the files to download, so they might think twice and buy instead...
  9. jazboy Newcomer, in training

    today every kid is growing on internet , p2p, chatting. ISP provider can't just keep increasing the bandwidth. In this the average internet using people get loss. This is really going to be help for such kind of people. I welcome this step.
  10. Kadir Newcomer, in training

    I don't understand anything from this. I just use BitTorent to download from torrents.
    So, our ISP's would see what we were downloading or what?

    Someone, explain to me. :p
  11. TorturedChaos TechSpot Chancellor

    I don't think this really fixes any problems. The fix needs to be for ISP to actually provide the speeds they advertise. If the ISP starts getting a heavy load from a fair share of their customers they should be able to provide that bandwidth, but so many of them can not. So they start throttling. The solution needs to be more along the lines of upgrading their hardware until they can offer those speeds consistently.
  12. pioneerx01 Newcomer, in training

    If it works, it can be interesting, but I am mostly against this "feature" I am sure someone will find a way to disable the feature.
  13. gruesomeA Newcomer, in training

    I doubt this will appease ISPs. I imagine they will always find something to complain about when it comes to bit torrents, and since they are the ones with the power, they will most certainly do something to about it, even if it is no longer throttling.
  14. nomasteryoda Newcomer, in training

    BitTorrent should remain as it is not be changed because of pressure from big media. In fact, filtering by any group will reduce network productivity across the whole of an ISP's network. We need to understand the freedom of data and big media needs to realize their old ways of doing business are flawed. BitTorrent is the most efficient method of downloading large files.
  15. poertner_1274 secroF laicepS topShceT

    At least it is a project that is actively worked on and takes suggestions to incorporate.
  16. JudaZ Newcomer, in training

    Why cant they? We have the technology...but they unfortunaly have the greed. I'm glad i dont live in the US and have to deal with Schoogelike comcast.

    Build better connections. Whats the problem...money? Well maybe if you stop wasting money on comming up with new ways to make the internet experience worse for your customers and isnstead invest in faster and wider connections and improving it. this wouldnt even be an issue for the american consumer. ....and it seems like its mostly an issue for them.

    ...havnt heard of anyone trying to throttle the speed here..not without geting called out and having to back down..or loosing all the customers. Throttling is a way of trying to sell a product theycant provide on old or weak technology that cant handle the workload.

    Its a cheap guys solutions to temporary fix a symthom, and ignoring the real issue.
    start fixing the real problem instead of trying to come up with workarounds.
    Sometimes its better to leave the superglue and scotch tape alone and start new.
  17. LxTrix Newcomer, in training

    Well this is definately good news considered i have comcast.
  18. JMMD TechSpot Chancellor

    I'm really surprised that Comcast hasn't come up with a Bitorrent package when you can pay extra and not have your service throttled. I'm sure they're working on a way to do it to be able to get just a little more cash from their customers while doing nothing to upgrade their aging systems and forcing out competition. I'd like to know how much is spent yearly on advertising vs. how much is spent on actual infrastructure upgrades.
  19. aceofspaids222 Newcomer, in training

    Correct. The ISP must upgrade their infrastructures to handle the traffic. Its not like less people are going to use the internet in the future. Something must be done about all these streaming media sites also. They need to account for their massive traffic increases.
  20. RickD Newcomer, in training

    Let me get this straight: If the network jamb up, the new BitTorrent slows down? So now my transfer is even slower? And this helps me how? I've got a better idea: If the network jambs up, how about the ISP increases capacity to meet their contractual obligations? Hmm? What, they can't support EVERYBODY downloading at the advertised rates? Then maybe they shouldn't have advertised those rates.
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