Russian US election hacking reached 39 states, led to Obama calling Putin on the "red...

If the Russians hacked the election, it would be to HELP Hillary, not Trump!
I don't follow your logic. Or is this another case where I am missing someone's poorly worded sarcasm. Putin was clearly looking forward to Trump becoming president. Trump is a corporate shill, someone who values money and fame more than the hard graft of running a nation. Trump thinks that Putin is a friend because Putin is a multi-millionaire like Trump. That is someone that Putin (an ex KGB agent with strong connections to his intelligence communicty) can manipulate. Also, Trump declared that he looked forward to working with Putin so that the US and Russia could get along. That's a win for Putin as it makes the White House more friendly and less likely to impose sanctions on Russians. Finally, NATO is now weaker under Trump and that is a huge win for Putin who may be eyeing up some more territory grabs in eastern Europe.
So why would Putin want Hillary as POTUS? She would maintain the frosty relations between the US and Russia, maintain the sanctions and continue to oppose Russia in theatres such as Syria.
And, to be honest, I assume that every nation's cyber warfare guys (and private individuals too) are trying to hack every other nation's electronic voting systems. Last year was probably just a trial run to gather info on how the various voting systems work. The serious attacks are still to come.
 
Not that I believe Putin for a second, but I also don't believe this conspiracy theory. Why would Russia or for that matter Putin even care who is POTUS? If there was indeed "hacking" I bet there is a lot more to this story than is being revealed, along with lots of fabrication and misinformation.
 
Comey admitted that he had zero evidence on Trump colluding with Russia in any way and no evidence the Russians affected the outcome of a single US election. He also admitted to wiretapping Trump Tower. TWICE. And the liberal-controlled media continues to LIE and say it never happened. Every baseless allegation that has been made has been accredited to "anonymous sources". We're beyond simple bias - its straight-up Orwellian now. If Republicans were pulling this sh1t they would all be kicked out of office or in jail, and the media would be cheering the masked firebombing "protestors". Where were the watchdogs at the networks when Obama was actively helping to overthrow stable regimes in northern Africa, including a couple that were relatively cordial to the US? Why, celebrating the "Arab Spring" bloodbath, of course.
 
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Comey admitted that he had zero evidence on Trump colluding with Russia in any way and no evidence the Russians affected the outcome of a single US election. He also admitted to wiretapping Trump Tower. TWICE. And the liberal-controlled media continues to LIE and say it never happened. Every baseless allegation that has been made has been accredited to "anonymous sources". We're beyond simple bias - its straight-up Orwellian now. If Republicans were pulling this sh1t they would all be kicked out of office or in jail, and the media would be cheering the masked firebombing "protestors". Where were the watchdogs at the networks when Obama was actively helping to overthrow stable regimes in northern Africa, including a couple that were relatively cordial to the US? Why, celebrating the "Arab Spring" bloodbath, of course.

This is flat out wrong. I read his statement and watched the entire testimony. He said he could not go into details on Trump because there is a current investigation ongoing and it would be improper for him to do so (his allusion being that Trump may be a future suspect). Comey testified that Trump is a liar and that the reason he took contemporaneous notes was because he suspected Trump would lie about their conversations (which he did). He also testified that numerous Trump associates were under active investigation.

Everything else you are saying is pure spin.

Comey is smart. You catch the little fish (like Manafort) to get the big fish. You don't just blather what you know to Russian spies --- and then have Israel mad at you.
 
They say Russian hackers but offer no proof. They seem to imply that they are Russian government workers, but offer no proof that they might just be hackers looking to steal data bases.

One thing for certain, the internet is getting less friendly and news services are handing us BS as facts....
 
What is terrifying is that Oblama suckered Americans into voting socialist. And hating cops. And accepting debt. And these nitwits want to suck on Uncle Sam like it's their mom's **ttie. If you do not understand history, you are doomed to repeat it. Republicans need to bring back the history books.

Understand history? I studied International Relations for 4 years in college lol.


What it sound like is you in fact do not understand history, and the vast parallels between what is going on with Trump and what happened to Rome/Nazi Germany near their downfalls. Oh and Obama wasn't great, but he sure as heck didn't do any of things you just said.



This is a fact: If you support Trump, you are supporting a puppet government propped up by one of America's enemies.

If you hate America, well I guess I can see why you like Trump; but if you favor America you should understand that there is a very real possibility Trump will go down in history as the start of America's decline.
 
Presumption of innocence anyone?

no?

Oh well.

Sometimes I watch the Norse Attack Map. Makes news about hacking look funny.
 
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American elections cannot be hacked. The voting booths aren't on the internet, and several of the voting districts didn't even use electronic voting machines in the first place.

The rallys Trump held were not packed full of Russian hackers, but an electorate sick and tired of the Democratic party and a news media so full of leftist journalists that it can safely be called its propaganda department.

If there is no evidence of Russian tampering, then where did the idea of Russian tampering come from in the first place? I say it was fabricated by the lying news.

I'll repeat here the words from a video I watched because they need to be heeded:
Raz0rfist said:
"Look at these articles, note the websites, say their names and say them out loud:
CNN, Huffington Post, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, Associated Press, NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, CPAC, Daily Beast, The Blaze
...say their names and say them loud because if you ever trust these organizations again, you are a @#$%'in fool!"
 
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Understand history? I studied International Relations for 4 years in college lol.


What it sound like is you in fact do not understand history, and the vast parallels between what is going on with Trump and what happened to Rome/Nazi Germany near their downfalls. Oh and Obama wasn't great, but he sure as heck didn't do any of things you just said.



This is a fact: If you support Trump, you are supporting a puppet government propped up by one of America's enemies.

If you hate America, well I guess I can see why you like Trump; but if you favor America you should understand that there is a very real possibility Trump will go down in history as the start of America's decline.

Get your money back.
 
Trump is the first president elected by Russian hackers, who made sure the worst candidate wins. It was Putin's intention all along to crown a complete muppet, so the world stops taking the US seriously, to be one less threat to Putin's empire. Evidently, it worked.

Typical crybaby liberal response. Blame Russia to cover up your internal problems and failures - even assassinate the true DNC leaker.
 
Understand history? I studied International Relations for 4 years in college lol.
Looks like your university was successful in doing exactly what leftist nutjobs in charge hope it'll do.

Tell us, what kind of job are you going to get with a degree like that? Barista? Waiter? Bellhop?

This is a fact: If you support Trump, you are supporting a puppet government propped up by one of America's enemies.

Trump was running on a nationalist platform. Do you not see the insanity inherent in suggesting that Vladmir Putin, former KGB agent of the Communist Soviet Union is responsible for the sudden rise in American Nationalism?

The truth is Russia didn't elect Trump, angry Americans did. Showing up here and repeating the lies you hear on television, and claiming they are your own thoughts is dishonorable, just like the socialist scum who've put America in jeopardy with more of the unfunded liabilities they've forced on the populace in order to buy votes.
They are touting 'Open boarders' not out of altruism, but because they know that more illegal aliens means more votes for their politicians who will promise more free stuff to them stolen from the pockets of working American taxpayers. That is the kind of policy that will lead to America's downfall, and anyone who knows how to think can see it without someone like me spelling it out for them.

...there is a very real possibility Trump will go down in history as the start of America's decline.
Sure if history is recorded by the liars in the press, but they're hemorrhaging cash like crazy now because more and more people are catching on to what they are and what they represent, and treat them with the ostracism they deserve.
 
What is comical is this. *****s are acting like this is something that doesn't go on daily. The biggest countries (and even smaller ones) countries in the digital age are constantly being "targeted and attempted to be hacked" by all countries that have an interest in it which includes Russian, USA, China, ect ect. This makes this whole story moot. You should KNOW it's being done, so why are you acting all surprised when someone writes a story about it?

Ah yes, the "because x happens all the time it makes y irrelevant" logic, about as flawed as a shattered diamond.

First, there is somethings called false equivalency. Just because countries hack each other all the time does not take away from the significance of this event. This is the first time ever Russia was able to influence the outcome of an election of a country as powerful as America so obviously something of this magnitude is a rarity.

Second, something occurring on a regular basis doesn't suddenly make it right. People are murdered every minute on this planet, the rate at which it occurs does not absolve the criminals of their deeds. Just because everyone in Germany during WWII was cooking jews on a daily basis did not make the loss of human life any righter.

Understand history? I studied International Relations for 4 years in college lol.
Looks like your university was successful in doing exactly what leftist nutjobs in charge hope it'll do.

Tell us, what kind of job are you going to get with a degree like that? Barista? Waiter? Bellhop?

This is a fact: If you support Trump, you are supporting a puppet government propped up by one of America's enemies.

Trump was running on a nationalist platform. Do you not see the insanity inherent in suggesting that Vladmir Putin, former KGB agent of the Communist Soviet Union is responsible for the sudden rise in American Nationalism?

The truth is Russia didn't elect Trump, angry Americans did. Showing up here and repeating the lies you hear on television, and claiming they are your own thoughts is dishonorable, just like the socialist scum who've put America in jeopardy with more of the unfunded liabilities they've forced on the populace in order to buy votes.
They are touting 'Open boarders' not out of altruism, but because they know that more illegal aliens means more votes for their politicians who will promise more free stuff to them stolen from the pockets of working American taxpayers. That is the kind of policy that will lead to America's downfall, and anyone who knows how to think can see it without someone like me spelling it out for them.

...there is a very real possibility Trump will go down in history as the start of America's decline.
Sure if history is recorded by the liars in the press, but they're hemorrhaging cash like crazy now because more and more people are catching on to what they are and what they represent, and treat them with the ostracism they deserve.

"Trump was running on a nationalist platform. Do you not see the insanity inherent in suggesting that Vladmir Putin, former KGB agent of the Communist Soviet Union is responsible for the sudden rise in American Nationalism?"

It's easier to manipulate an dingdong then an experienced diplomat. I think you may not be aware of this, but Trump SoHO was Trump's resurgent hotel push after a string of failures. You may also be unaware that the company that helped fund it has direct ties to the Russian Mafia and Turkish nationals. Make no mistake, Trump has various investments with Russia and it is obvious to see how easy it would be for Putin to control Trump.

"just like the socialist scum who've put America in jeopardy with more of the unfunded liabilities they've forced on the populace in order to buy votes."

It's always funny one someone throws the word "socialist" around like it's a bad thing. It's like they don't realize that the foundation of that word, society, are one and the same. The pooling of resources for the betterment of everyone. It's what's given America it's Army, roads, school systems, government. All socialist. But yes, do keep playing your radical politics, you are a well trained dog indeed.

"They are touting 'Open boarders' not out of altruism, but because they know that more illegal aliens means more votes for their politicians who will promise more free stuff to them stolen from the pockets of working American taxpayers. That is the kind of policy that will lead to America's downfall, and anyone who knows how to think can see it without someone like me spelling it out for them."

O'rly?

And yet within the 8 years Obama has been in office we have seem more republicans voted into the house and senate then democrats. Your logic makes no sense, you have no cause, no effect, and no data. No, we are to believe your ridiculous ploy and not the Gerrymandering that has been taking place or voting restrictions. You are such a tool and they use your false fear to make you dance on a marionette.
 
"Trump was running on a nationalist platform. Do you not see the insanity inherent in suggesting that Vladmir Putin, former KGB agent of the Communist Soviet Union is responsible for the sudden rise in American Nationalism?"

It's easier to manipulate an dingdong then an experienced diplomat. I think you may not be aware of this, but Trump SoHO was Trump's resurgent hotel push after a string of failures. You may also be unaware that the company that helped fund it has direct ties to the Russian Mafia and Turkish nationals. Make no mistake, Trump has various investments with Russia and it is obvious to see how easy it would be for Putin to control Trump.
Trump's policies have been to benefit the American taxpayer, not illegal aliens and wastrels. If you want to blame Putin for that, have at it. It's a ridiculous thing to do but I can't stop you.

It's always funny one someone throws the word "socialist" around like it's a bad thing.
It is inherently unethical. People should be working and earning their own money, not leaching off those who are.

It's like they don't realize that the foundation of that word, society, are one and the same.
That's the trap, and you haven't seen through it yet.

The pooling of resources for the betterment of everyone. It's what's given America it's Army, roads, school systems, government. All socialist.
I have no problem with a military and law enforcement. Those things need to have the profit motive removed in order to help avoid becoming corrupt.

Government is not needed for schools to educate the people. If you had a grasp of history you'd know that education was coming along fine in America long before Uncle Sam stepped in and started over-complicating things. A college education could once be paid for with part time job. Now that government money is available for borrowing, universities have raised their prices to a point where a degree program is more expensive than a down payment on a house.

Also, Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme.

But yes, do keep playing your radical politics, you are a well trained dog indeed.
No, my standpoint is clearly Conservative politics, not radical. If you're going to use a word, at least know what it means.

This isn't a result of training, but a consequence of experience; of someone who once thought like you do then saw for himself how the real world works.

Federal spending is overwhelmingly directed toward social programs. People should be working and earning their own money, not leaching off others. It's already bankrupting the country.

When people can keep having babies and get more money from welfare than from actual employment, something is wrong.

Tell us how much of other people's money do you think you're entitled to?

O'rly?
And yet within the 8 years Obama has been in office we have seem more republicans voted into the house and senate then democrats.
Yes, thank God! Because there are still enough actual Americans left to see the harm that will come with these nation-breaking policies you seem to think are a good thing for Americans. They voted to stop it before it becomes too late.

Your logic makes no sense, you have no cause, no effect, and no data.
No effect?
The effect of runaway socialism are taking place right now in Venezuela. If you think it's such a good thing, go live there.

We're borrowing money from others and are already in trillions of dollars of debt. You know these things already but you seem to be so hungry to win an argument that you'll stick your head up your own @#$ and feign ignorance in order to try to score an internet victory.

No, we are to believe your ridiculous ploy and not the Gerrymandering that has been taking place or voting restrictions.
Your picture could be in a dictionary next to the entry for the Dunning-Kruger effect, and it wouldn't seem out of place.
Non-citizens voting in American elections is a bad thing for American citizens. If you believe otherwise you are a lunatic.

You are such a tool and they use your false fear to make you dance on a marionette.
Your shaming language is weak-sauce and isn't going to prove your point, assuming you even have one. I'd tell you why you should be ashamed of yourself, but people like you seldom have any.
 
Trump is the first president elected by Russian hackers, who made sure the worst candidate wins. It was Putin's intention all along to crown a complete muppet, so the world stops taking the US seriously, to be one less threat to Putin's empire. Evidently, it worked.
If Hillary hadn't broken the law and used the proper server instead of her own "home brew", there would have been nothing to hack. Obama was pissed because the 90,000 votes deleted in Chicago, Ill. were from the "graveyard". One of the few places where you can still vote for years after you die!
This also makes a case for not allowing any voting via the internet. No matter how secure you think it is, there is someone smarter who will break it - especially when Windows is used. One good thing about the mainframes is their security. It is a rarity to hack into one and then it is usually through a remote PC connected to it. .
 
It’s common knowledge that Russian hackers attempted to interfere with the US electoral system last year, but it seems the true extent of those attacks is only now being revealed.
It's common knowledge that this is bullshit.

The only way for a Democrat to lose a major election is for a Republican to cheat. This is the way of the world, comrade.
Get real. It is the Democrats that have been cheating for years. Look how they screwed Bernie. George Soros controls and runs the Democrat party and he sold out the Jewish people to the Nazis. Read an honest History book. Obama was probably upset because those 90,000 votes were from the Chicago graveyard.
 
Understand history? I studied International Relations for 4 years in college lol.
Looks like your university was successful in doing exactly what leftist nutjobs in charge hope it'll do.

Tell us, what kind of job are you going to get with a degree like that? Barista? Waiter? Bellhop?

This is a fact: If you support Trump, you are supporting a puppet government propped up by one of America's enemies.

Trump was running on a nationalist platform. Do you not see the insanity inherent in suggesting that Vladmir Putin, former KGB agent of the Communist Soviet Union is responsible for the sudden rise in American Nationalism?

The truth is Russia didn't elect Trump, angry Americans did. Showing up here and repeating the lies you hear on television, and claiming they are your own thoughts is dishonorable, just like the socialist scum who've put America in jeopardy with more of the unfunded liabilities they've forced on the populace in order to buy votes.
They are touting 'Open boarders' not out of altruism, but because they know that more illegal aliens means more votes for their politicians who will promise more free stuff to them stolen from the pockets of working American taxpayers. That is the kind of policy that will lead to America's downfall, and anyone who knows how to think can see it without someone like me spelling it out for them.

...there is a very real possibility Trump will go down in history as the start of America's decline.
Sure if history is recorded by the liars in the press, but they're hemorrhaging cash like crazy now because more and more people are catching on to what they are and what they represent, and treat them with the ostracism they deserve.
Great response. The left is so beside themselves, their heads really have exploded. They have been dumbed-down, fed BS all through the public and college school systems, and lied to by the left-wing MSM, they will never get it. It has been proven and documented that 95% - 97% of the MSM are registered Democrats. Fox News is the only major media outlet that backs the conservatives more than they do the left.
BTW, these dolts also don't realize that Russia and the US have been working together on the ISS. So, regardless of political differences both countries do work together plus many US businesses have investments in Russia as they do in China.
 
What is comical is this. *****s are acting like this is something that doesn't go on daily. The biggest countries (and even smaller ones) countries in the digital age are constantly being "targeted and attempted to be hacked" by all countries that have an interest in it which includes Russian, USA, China, ect ect. This makes this whole story moot. You should KNOW it's being done, so why are you acting all surprised when someone writes a story about it?

Ah yes, the "because x happens all the time it makes y irrelevant" logic, about as flawed as a shattered diamond.

First, there is somethings called false equivalency. Just because countries hack each other all the time does not take away from the significance of this event. This is the first time ever Russia was able to influence the outcome of an election of a country as powerful as America so obviously something of this magnitude is a rarity.

Second, something occurring on a regular basis doesn't suddenly make it right. People are murdered every minute on this planet, the rate at which it occurs does not absolve the criminals of their deeds. Just because everyone in Germany during WWII was cooking jews on a daily basis did not make the loss of human life any righter.

Understand history? I studied International Relations for 4 years in college lol.
Looks like your university was successful in doing exactly what leftist nutjobs in charge hope it'll do.

Tell us, what kind of job are you going to get with a degree like that? Barista? Waiter? Bellhop?

This is a fact: If you support Trump, you are supporting a puppet government propped up by one of America's enemies.

Trump was running on a nationalist platform. Do you not see the insanity inherent in suggesting that Vladmir Putin, former KGB agent of the Communist Soviet Union is responsible for the sudden rise in American Nationalism?

The truth is Russia didn't elect Trump, angry Americans did. Showing up here and repeating the lies you hear on television, and claiming they are your own thoughts is dishonorable, just like the socialist scum who've put America in jeopardy with more of the unfunded liabilities they've forced on the populace in order to buy votes.
They are touting 'Open boarders' not out of altruism, but because they know that more illegal aliens means more votes for their politicians who will promise more free stuff to them stolen from the pockets of working American taxpayers. That is the kind of policy that will lead to America's downfall, and anyone who knows how to think can see it without someone like me spelling it out for them.

...there is a very real possibility Trump will go down in history as the start of America's decline.
Sure if history is recorded by the liars in the press, but they're hemorrhaging cash like crazy now because more and more people are catching on to what they are and what they represent, and treat them with the ostracism they deserve.

"Trump was running on a nationalist platform. Do you not see the insanity inherent in suggesting that Vladmir Putin, former KGB agent of the Communist Soviet Union is responsible for the sudden rise in American Nationalism?"

It's easier to manipulate an dingdong then an experienced diplomat. I think you may not be aware of this, but Trump SoHO was Trump's resurgent hotel push after a string of failures. You may also be unaware that the company that helped fund it has direct ties to the Russian Mafia and Turkish nationals. Make no mistake, Trump has various investments with Russia and it is obvious to see how easy it would be for Putin to control Trump.

"just like the socialist scum who've put America in jeopardy with more of the unfunded liabilities they've forced on the populace in order to buy votes."

It's always funny one someone throws the word "socialist" around like it's a bad thing. It's like they don't realize that the foundation of that word, society, are one and the same. The pooling of resources for the betterment of everyone. It's what's given America it's Army, roads, school systems, government. All socialist. But yes, do keep playing your radical politics, you are a well trained dog indeed.

"They are touting 'Open boarders' not out of altruism, but because they know that more illegal aliens means more votes for their politicians who will promise more free stuff to them stolen from the pockets of working American taxpayers. That is the kind of policy that will lead to America's downfall, and anyone who knows how to think can see it without someone like me spelling it out for them."

O'rly?

And yet within the 8 years Obama has been in office we have seem more republicans voted into the house and senate then democrats. Your logic makes no sense, you have no cause, no effect, and no data. No, we are to believe your ridiculous ploy and not the Gerrymandering that has been taking place or voting restrictions. You are such a tool and they use your false fear to make you dance on a marionette.
You have more Republicans in office because there is no Democrat party anymore that represents the average American. It is the Socialist Democrat party (or Communist party). The Democrats gerrymandered for years, which is why they controlled the government for so many years until recently (since mid-90s). The average American was waking up to the fact the democrats were screwing them over and elected Republicans in those Democrat gerrymandered districts. Of course, when the Republicans gerrymandered, the Democrats screamed bloody-murder and ran to the courts to get it undone (while they still had the Democrat judges they appointed or got elected by voting in "non-partisan" judicial system voting in many states).
BYW, I am not implying the Republicans are angels, they are just not as bad as the currently controlled leftist Democrat party backed by a leftist MSM. What I feel bad for are the children who are being brainwashed by a failed education system. The day will come if the country keeps going down the path of Obama and Hillary that it will end up like Venezuela, Cuba or even North Korea. Fortunately as my days are numbered, I won't be around to see it - at least I hope not.
 
I'm still trying to figure out how the Russians meddled in the process since it has been proven that no votes were changed. In those states like Michigan and Wisconsin and PA or where the judges (Democrats) eventually stopped the recounts (especially when it was found that there were more fraudulent votes for Hillary in some districts). The wiki-leaks? If Hillary hadn't broken the law, there would have been no wiki-leaks. Plus Assange claims it wasn't the Russians.
BTW, claims of Trump having hotels in Russia is not as bad as Hillary and Obama selling our weapons-grade production of uranium to Russia - she and Obama approved that sale. This allowed Russia to give more uranium to Iran in its efforts to build a nuclear bomb (which people will wake one morning to find on the MSM that Iran finally exploded a nuclear bomb). This sale has been reported in some of the media, but ignored by the MSM. The following has been reported.

"Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining mogul and major Clinton Foundation donor, led a group of investors in an enterprise called Uranium One. On June 8, 2010, Rosatom, the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation, announced plans to purchase a 51.4 percent stake in the Canadian company, whose international assets included some 20 percent of America’s uranium capacity. Because this active ingredient in atomic reactors and nuclear weapons is a strategic commodity, this $1.3 billion deal required the approval of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS). Secretary of State Clinton was one of nine federal department and agency heads on that secretive panel."

The Clintons have been in bed with the Russians for a long time.
 
Trump is the first president elected by Russian hackers, who made sure the worst candidate wins. It was Putin's intention all along to crown a complete muppet, so the world stops taking the US seriously, to be one less threat to Putin's empire. Evidently, it worked.
Muppet? More like crash test dummy. But since crash test dummies are loaded with smart sensors these days, I suppose Muppet is more apt.
It’s common knowledge that Russian hackers attempted to interfere with the US electoral system last year, but it seems the true extent of those attacks is only now being revealed.
It's common knowledge that this is bullshit.
This also got to me, it's definitely bullshit. So...
Bloomberg reveals that one of the states – Illinois – saw the perpetrators gain access to the voter database and compromise as many as 90,000 records
There’s still no evidence that the hackers were able to alter the vote counts or election results in any states, or tamper with the voting machines.
So let's get the facts straight: it's common knowledge, there is information about it happening, there is no evidence... how the duck is it?!

Also, it would be super simple for the liberal media to pin it on Russia just to get the word out and the complaining against Trump ignited even more.
Liberal media. There's an over-used term these days.

It ought not be used at all. There's nothing liberal about the Liberal media, but Conservatives were foolish enough to surrender a noble word to people who prefer a top-down, resistance-is-futile approach to molding society into their twisted image which really sucks balls. The *Left wing* media, as it should be called, represents that kind of person, I.e, a freedom hating, thieving, blame-shifting, smirking hypocrite that is missing the part of his brain providing the ability to learn from Socialism's destructive history.
 
Ah yes, the "because x happens all the time it makes y irrelevant" logic, about as flawed as a shattered diamond.."

1) no one made the claim it was irrelevant 2) no one said it was right

The argument you missed was it was a moot point. It happens - assume it happens - why the outrage ONLY when someone writes about it?
 
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