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Should it be illegal to download music?

  1. I've known for sometime that it's illegal to download music from P2P programs like bearshare or limewire. I was thinking about it and I determined that those who download the music shoul not be punished and that it should be the distributer.

    Is this how it should be?
     
  2. Nodsu

    Nodsu TS Rookie Posts: 9,431

    It is not illegal to download music over here. Complain to your local legislative body if you like :)
     
  3. cfitzarl

    cfitzarl TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,520   +9

    Let me put it this way;

    You spend a large amount of time to create and write a song, you record it, and you are the sole owner of the song. You have no other job, and depend on the royalties for money. You used to make a lot of money from songwriting and singing and all of a sudded, your income is cut in half. You'd be pretty angry too. Just like if you made an OS and it got ripped, or you made a game and it got ripped. Especially with games and OS's, which take a lot of money to make.

    Now you decide :)
     
  4. Nodsu

    Nodsu TS Rookie Posts: 9,431

    Let's put it this way.. Do you write songs because you are an artist and you would die if you could not create or do you write songs to make money out of nothing?

    You know, musicians did survive in the times before copyright law. Actually, the greatest musical masterpieces of all time were written when copying sheet music was a non-issue.
     
  5. beef_jerky4104

    beef_jerky4104 Banned Topic Starter Posts: 1,094

    Okay so It's only illegal to distrubute it?
     
  6. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,083

    So now you can only afford a ferrari and not a lambo too?

    That would be a shame.
     
  7. beef_jerky4104

    beef_jerky4104 Banned Topic Starter Posts: 1,094

    Hehe good one twite.
     
  8. kitty500cat

    kitty500cat TS Rookie Posts: 2,407   +6

    Nodsu lives in Estonia. He's not bound by US laws.

    I do think, however, that music shouldn't be pirated. It is unfair for people to have to work and pay to make it and for others to get it for free.

    It seems that LimeWire should be punished for not trying to stop music piracy.
     
  9. cfitzarl

    cfitzarl TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,520   +9

    I'm sure you would be upset if you income was cut in half :( .
     
  10. mikescorpio81

    mikescorpio81 TS Rookie Posts: 574

    Buying induvidual songs and albums is the way to do it. It is unfair to the musicians to rip and illegally distribute their music. Independent artists especially ... it's hard enough for them to make money.

    Just purchase the song's you like online ... The quality is better than most ripped songs out there these days anyway. I hate putting together a playlist and having some songs louder or softer than others :)
     
  11. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,647   +323

    Prices for CDs are too high and the artist sees too little of that money, at least that is my belief on why music piracy is so widespread. I'm not sure I know anyone that pirates music that does it just because they can. They do it because they want something that they can't justify spending $15 or more for. iTunes sells stuff cheaper but it is like a more expensive (often lower quality) and is more restrictive than what you can ******.

    But to answer the question, yes I think it probably should be illegal. But that is a question with a lot more backstory that must be included and thought about when answering.
     
     
  12. dezomania90

    dezomania90 TS Rookie

    Obviously post count doesn't accurately depict wisdom

    You truely don't understand what being a true musician is.

    A true musician makes music because he loves music, and creating music. Music is what painting is to a painter. It's expression. That is the way a musician expresses themselves. When you talk do you want people to listen to you? Ill take the obvious answer. Its true that when you create music you put all your effort into it, but you want to be rewarded by it also. And people enjoying it is just enough. To make enough money off of record sales alone to live comfortably you MUST sell a million records. Record lables give you a very small portion from the price of the record, lets say 15 cents(Very good) but maybe for the whole band on an average of 25 cents a record. You must firther split it however many ways depending on how many people are in your band. SO lets say you make a record with 4 people in your band(counting you). You sell a million copies, thats platnium, extremely hard to achieve. Your record company gives your band 25 cents a record( extremely realistic to a big lable). that ammounts to around 250,000. Now split that 4 ways, 62,500. Now tax that, pay your producer also(if that was in the deal) buy musical equiptment for live play. ill say that will leave you with around 40,000...

    doubleposting so i can finish what i have to say...

    Now sense record sales don't pay you any more then an average office job how do rock stars live in mansions?

    Live performances and merchandise...

    I think It should be perfectly legal to download any song from any band, because all a musician wants is to be heard and if extremely lucky possibably be able to live off their music. If told anything else that source is a sell out.

    I would say to download all your favorite artists albums. Then support them in their live show by buying a t-shirt and concert ticket with out complaint of the high prices.

    Even if you downloaded every one of their albums you probably still will be giving them more money by just buying the t-shirt at a concert then buying everyy single one of their records in a corporate music store.

    And if you buy cd's make sure its at a local record store not best buy/walmart/etc..
     
  13. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,083

    Well stated.
     
  14. magiclight

    magiclight TS Member Posts: 67

    i think its fine to download there music as long as you go to the conscert and support them there.
     
  15. Alex.A

    Alex.A TS Rookie Posts: 79

    i think it is ok to download music but not for free or just listen it on the internet for free, without being able to download. in this way, we show some respect to the person who worked for making that song starting from composing to recording it on CDs. That means time and money, and we should return that, to encourage that person to compose more.
    But it will take a long time until all the world will do that. It will start with USA and Western Europe, but it's a difficult process to expand this project to all the countries. And I tell you why. Here, in Romania(where I live), people are not very rich, and they just can pay their bills, food and medicines. It's almost impossible to spend a lot of money on OCs, movies, music, programs so piratery is very advanced in this area. We can download illegal everything we want without any obstacles. Also hacking is high. All the Eastern Europe is the same. So first, people need to have a better life and after that, piratery swill slow down. Maybe you get my point.
     
  16. Tedster

    Tedster Techspot old timer..... Posts: 10,074   +13

    Artists are entitled to just compensation for their work. Illegal downloading is stealing.
     
  17. kitty500cat

    kitty500cat TS Rookie Posts: 2,407   +6

    Well said, Tedster.
     
  18. beef_jerky4104

    beef_jerky4104 Banned Topic Starter Posts: 1,094

    Don't know how it's stealing. I never "took" it away from anybody.
     
  19. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,083

    It Actually is stealing.

    But believe it or not...This thread is titled

    Should it be illegal to download music?

    Thanks for stating the obvious.
     
  20. kitty500cat

    kitty500cat TS Rookie Posts: 2,407   +6

    Piracy deprives the artists of the money that it took to create the music. Whether or not they need that money is not part of the issue; it is still stealing from them. If you're going to download their music, pay the price.
     
  21. beef_jerky4104

    beef_jerky4104 Banned Topic Starter Posts: 1,094

    But can it be considered a loss of money? I wouldn't have bought it even if I couldn't downloaded it. So did I beprive them of money?
     
  22. Daveskater

    Daveskater Banned Posts: 2,031

    i'm a musician myself and i think that with unsigned/independent artists you should buy whatever you can no matter what the price is. however with large bands on major labels it's a bit different because they've made their millions and like somebody said earlier, shirts and shows is how they get their real money.
     
  23. MetalX

    MetalX TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,909

    When musicians make music, a company has to publish that music for them, and that company receives more money than the musician does. That's not fair either. The musician did all the work after all. By illegally downloading (not yet illegal in Canada :D) you are mostly stealing money from the lazy *** publishing companies. Stealing a lot more from them than you are from the artists. Plus, the artists, while they do deserve to make money, they don't need to make $25 million a year. Should the common middle class people trying to make a living, those people who would be extremely happy to be receiving a $100,000 per year wage be helping someone else to get $25 million a year?

    No.

    It's because of us that all these movie stars and musicians are living in million dollar homes with 4 Ferrari's and more money than they know what to do with. They shouldn't blame us for causing them to make $25 million a year instead of $50 million a year. It's because of US that they make any money at all. They need to STFU. Nobody needs $25 million per year. There is no reason for them to have that much, and they seem to be getting on just fine considering the amount of piracy going on.

    I say keep pirating. Keep downloading, and don't pay. I'd certainly NEVER pay for a song or a movie since everyone who is involved in them is making WAY more money than they deserve.

    Here comes the RIAA to my door I'll bet...

    Well... **** YOU RIAA, **** YOU.

    (I feel the same way about sports players, although they can't be pirated ;))
     
  24. Alex.A

    Alex.A TS Rookie Posts: 79

    Maybe MetalX is right. Maybe not. But eventually music is music and it speaks what cannot be expressed...Soothes the mind and gives it rest...Heals the heart and makes it whole..Flows from heaven to the soul....Music is the soul's food. Everybody should have access to it. And artists should make money from shows, concerts, T-shirts, original CDs and so on. I don't know. Its easy for us to say but I don't know what a musician have to say.
     
  25. beef_jerky4104

    beef_jerky4104 Banned Topic Starter Posts: 1,094

    That was well worded MetalX.
     


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