cliffordcooley
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Say that again. We won't mind hearing it again for the third time.I could get down with the spiting and graffiti ban. There is something to be said for respecting public property.
Say that again. We won't mind hearing it again for the third time.I could get down with the spiting and graffiti ban. There is something to be said for respecting public property.
It is illegal to urinate in elevators
Obviously everyone hates an elevator that smells like urine, but Singapore officials really hate it. Some elevators are equipped with Urine Detection Devices. These UDDs can actually detect urine odor in elevators, which set off an alarm. Once this alarm goes off, the doors of the elevator close until the police arrive and arrest the perpetrator.
You are arguing that an electric vehicle is a worse polluter than an ICE vehicle?"And because of oil extraction, distribution, and refining, approximately 25% more has to be added on top of that to calculate the real carbon footprint of gas-powered cars"
Fair enough, but don't forget to apply manufacturing factors to every power source, from oil and coal to wind and solar, and while we're at it, don't forget to apply the C02 correction to the manufacture of the Tesla vs a gas-powered car.
"you're" not "your"I haven't read anything this idi0tic for a long time...
LTA = Lunatics Association.
Someone should put them on a $10,000 band for all the CO2 they generate farting.
It's good to see at least one government not mowed down by environmentalist. Electric is far from emission free and the batteries are not yet recyclable. Go ahead and feel good about no tail pipe, but your not high and mighty just because you can afford an electric car.
Wow, never thought I'd see something like this happen. I'm not some tree hugging hippy but I think that electric cars are just a way for people to feel better about themselves. This might kick some sense into people and make them realize that they're not really preventing pollution unless they're getting power from green power plants, such as nuclear (not totally sure if they're green based on what happens because of meltdowns), solar, or hydro power plants.
I don't know about those numbers, I have no way to prove one way or another but the concept makes sense. A lot of place still burn coal to generate electricity to power businesses and homes. If that is equivalent emissions to generate the electricity to charge that car then yeah... this seems fair. A lot of the whole "green" movement with electric cars tends to forget where the electricity comes from in the first place. This would vary greatly as some places generate it with hydroelectric dams, nuclear, or solar all of which are mostly considered "green".
It's good to see at least one government not mowed down by environmentalist. Electric is far from emission free and the batteries are not yet recyclable. Go ahead and feel good about no tail pipe, but your not high and mighty just because you can afford an electric car.
It's pretty hard to find a power plant with better than 40% efficiency. There is loss in the power transmission and loss from the charging system and loss as heat from the battery and the motor itself. Burning fuel directly in the car losses energy through heat loss only (diesels get better mileage because less energy is lost to heat.) There are many fewer losses of power with an fuel burning car.
"And because of oil extraction, distribution, and refining, approximately 25% more has to be added on top of that to calculate the real carbon footprint of gas-powered cars"
Fair enough, but don't forget to apply manufacturing factors to every power source, from oil and coal to wind and solar, and while we're at it, don't forget to apply the C02 correction to the manufacture of the Tesla vs a gas-powered car.
I don't know about those numbers, I have no way to prove one way or another but the concept makes sense. A lot of place still burn coal to generate electricity to power businesses and homes. If that is equivalent emissions to generate the electricity to charge that car then yeah... this seems fair. A lot of the whole "green" movement with electric cars tends to forget where the electricity comes from in the first place. This would vary greatly as some places generate it with hydroelectric dams, nuclear, or solar all of which are mostly considered "green".
Yes the customer ultimately pays. The business has to operate on a profit to stay alive. But when the electric company passes on the charge to the consumer, the fine is proportional to usage. They are fining this guy based on wild speculation and guesstimation. Is everyone who is currently consuming electricity, are they being fined? I'm going to presume its just this guy cause he bought an electric car and no one else did. And believe it or not, the heat a company faces from rate increases does provide some motivation to reduce their overhead and in this situation, the emissions become overhead.lot of places are talking about a 'carbon tax', you generate emissions, you pay the tax, and you know who in the end will really pay
Wow, never thought I'd see something like this happen. I'm not some tree hugging hippy but I think that electric cars are just a way for people to feel better about themselves. This might kick some sense into people and make them realize that they're not really preventing pollution unless they're getting power from green power plants, such as nuclear (not totally sure if they're green based on what happens because of meltdowns), solar, or hydro power plants.
Wow, never thought I'd see something like this happen. I'm not some tree hugging hippy but I think that electric cars are just a way for people to feel better about themselves. This might kick some sense into people and make them realize that they're not really preventing pollution unless they're getting power from green power plants, such as nuclear (not totally sure if they're green based on what happens because of meltdowns), solar, or hydro power plants.
Fines run up to $1,000 for littering
It is illegal to litter in many countries, but the punishments for doing it in Singapore are without comparison.
Not only can you get as much as a $1,000 fine, litterers receive "community work orders," where they are forced to pick up trash in public. The punishment is intended to publicly embarrass convicted litterers.
It is illegal to urinate in elevators
Obviously everyone hates an elevator that smells like urine, but Singapore officials really hate it. Some elevators are equipped with Urine Detection Devices. These UDDs can actually detect urine odor in elevators, which set off an alarm. Once this alarm goes off, the doors of the elevator close until the police arrive and arrest the perpetrator.
Selling chewing gum is forbidden
The Asian country takes cleanliness seriously, and apparently gum causes too much of a mess to be sold in the country. This doesn't mean that you can't bring a little with you — just make sure you don't spit it on the floor, otherwise you can face a hefty fine.
But after strong petitioning by Wrigley, if you get a note from a doctor you can chew certain medicinal gums.
No pornography of any kind is allowed
There is a lot of censorship in Singapore, and this includes the ban on pornography in all forms, from pictures to DVDs. Magazines that discuss sex, like Cosmopolitan, are allowed, but require special "parental warnings" on their covers.
You can get fined for not flushing public toilets
There is clearly a trend in Singapore about keeping things clean, and this extends to the bathroom as well.
If you're caught failing to flush a public toilet after using it, you can expect a fine of around $150. There do not appear to be detectors like there are for elevator urination, but apparently police officials have been known to check.
It is illegal to walk around your house naked
Singapore culture is intent on prohibiting many personal rights, the government reason for which is that it creates harmony in a conservative and culturally diverse country.
Thus, you can't walk around your house naked, according to Singapore law, because it is considered a form of pornography, but it is unclear how a law like this is enforced.
Do not spit anywhere
Along with throwing cigarette butts on the street, spitting is banned in Singapore. As with similar prohibitions, these laws are in place to maintain Singapore's reputation for cleanliness.
Both infractions come with significant fines and are routinely enforced.
If you graffiti, you will get caned
Respect for public property is taken seriously in Singapore, so it should be no surprise that vandalism is really despised — so much so that if you are caught vandalizing, you will receive a mandatory caning.
I don't know about those numbers, I have no way to prove one way or another but the concept makes sense. A lot of place still burn coal to generate electricity to power businesses and homes. If that is equivalent emissions to generate the electricity to charge that car then yeah... this seems fair. A lot of the whole "green" movement with electric cars tends to forget where the electricity comes from in the first place. This would vary greatly as some places generate it with hydroelectric dams, nuclear, or solar all of which are mostly considered "green".
Wow, never thought I'd see something like this happen. I'm not some tree hugging hippy but I think that electric cars are just a way for people to feel better about themselves. This might kick some sense into people and make them realize that they're not really preventing pollution unless they're getting power from green power plants, such as nuclear (not totally sure if they're green based on what happens because of meltdowns), solar, or hydro power plants.
Electric cars are not just a way for people to "feel better about themselves". Did you not read in this article how, even with the way that electricity is being produced today, that this vehicle still has a much smaller carbon footprint than a comparable gas engine model? With the potential to have an even smaller carbon footprint as the means to produce electricity becomes greener. So yes, they actually are preventing pollution. Read the article again, without first trying to filter it with your bias, and you will come to a different conclusion.