Sony changes PSN terms to block class action lawsuits
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First off, you need to specify where japanese games are irrelevant. They certainly are becoming less relevant in the west, but as it is now, it is no where close to irrelevant. And it's also funny how you compare JAPAN, A SINGLE COUNTRY to the western world, a collection of how many countries? No **** japan will have less influential games. Just because their games no longer dominate the entire market, doesn't mean they are irrelevant. Portal, witcher, fallout, elderscrolls, battlefield, mass effect, half life; It's perfectly logical to say those games are not influential because they are series(sarcasm). Discounting sequels makes no sense at all, i can understand how you say that about remakes, but sequels? You could ask for 10 games in any country that are not series or remakes and it would be difficult. Pretty much all influential games have a sequel, and those sequels are often influential in their own ways. Ex: Assassin's Creed was meh, AC2 was a huge improvement.
You must understand that the culture of japan is much more different than in western countries. They prefer arcade style games and rpgs over western shooters. Handhelds are the most popular form of gaming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japan-exclusive_video_games
Your request is stupid. I can just give you a list of crappy games to counter your argument. Asking for 10 influential games would have made more sense.
Thank you, U.S. Corporate Supremes. Welcome to Mussolini's Dream, the merging of corporate with government power.
But the legitimizing of arbitration clauses is one thing. The real issue for me is that arbitration must be done by someone hired by Sony rather than by an independent arbitration judge (or whatever you call them). Did the Corporate Supremes okay that too?
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You all do realize this is a "Catch22" case. if you agree to the terms you have to make sure that Sony receives a Certified letter with proof of receipt in order for them to admit that you sent them a letter stating that you disagreed with their terms and if you straight "Decline" their terms you CAN'T use the product since you are barred from their services... To each his own but Sony has NOT made any decent decisions in a while. I am waiting to see when the letter to abolish this terms comes out and I will gladly sign it. If Sony doesn't want to be sued then they should take RESPONSIBLE measures to avoid being sued. Just because you are sued doesn't mean you are guilty the judges have to agree that you were acting in poor judgement and then they ask you to pay damages. Sony has been constantly messing up and by them saying that people can't sue them is even bigger.
And for those who say if you don't like Sony don't use it last big product I purchased from them was the PS3 2 years ago and haven't invested in anything else from them.
And for those who say if you don't like Sony don't use it last big product I purchased from them was the PS3 2 years ago and haven't invested in anything else from them.
aj_the_kidd
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It makes sense for Sony to make this move, class action law suits == bad publicity. Like what was mentioned earlier individually they can keep things relatively quiet and crush them. Its a bit of shady move but I guess its the norm these days
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Because you know...we were all planning on suing Sony to begin with /sarcasm . It's their product, if you don't like their terms, don't use their service it's as simple as that. They're not forcing you to accept, you can decline and not use their service.
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It's a gaming console. It's used to play games and multimedia content. Why shouldn't Sony protect their asses from twits who decide to sue because they've lost the ability to pirate games, or can't run their precious linux anymore? Get a PC.
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That thing that mussed up your hair was my point flying by overhead. I did not, at any point, say this would protect Sony from HACKERS. I said it was a protective move against DAMAGES done by possible future hacks. My point was this: I see many of the same individuals who were cheering on the hack that cost Sony so much money (and has subjected them to class-action suits) now complaining about Sony's move to try to protect itself in some manner financially. Didn't say it was right, didn't say I agree one iota with Sony's move. Just that it's hypocritical to cheer an illegal and malicious attack on a company, then complain when the backlash comes around to bite everyone.
Sony and Apple should get into dysfunctional relationship because I don't think I've seen one company more afraid of lawsuits while the other so fond of using them. It just amazes me how neither company stand on it's own and is merely been playing catch-up since crafty companies have perfected their innovation.
Also for those wondering, the agreement not to sue in a contract in not in any shape or form enforceable by law in America. It may discourage the average consumer from suing, but you cannot sign away your right to legal recourse.
It would be as if you leased a car with Ford and they forced you to sign a contract that stated that you couldn't sue them even if it's their fault. Sorry, but that's now how the world works. That part of the contract is not valid--so no one should worry about it anyway...
Also for those wondering, the agreement not to sue in a contract in not in any shape or form enforceable by law in America. It may discourage the average consumer from suing, but you cannot sign away your right to legal recourse.
It would be as if you leased a car with Ford and they forced you to sign a contract that stated that you couldn't sue them even if it's their fault. Sorry, but that's now how the world works. That part of the contract is not valid--so no one should worry about it anyway...
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About 15 years ago Sony screwed me out of $300 by not standing behind a warranty on a Shortwave Radio. Their radio went south during the warranty period and I dutifully sent it to a repair center with all the proper paper work. About a month later I got a letter from them asking for an authorization of a $100 repair bill. When I called them up to inquire about the bill they told me they never received the necessary paper work for warranty repair. Really? Hard to believe since I had it taped to the unit. I informed them not to worry that I had made copies and I would send the paper work again. Another month goes by and I receive a new unit in the mail for free with the notice that the new unit had only a 90 day not a 1 year warranty. I later learned this was illegal. They were supposed to give a full 1 year warranty. Within the 90 day warranty the new radio failed. What I didn't know then was that the radio SW100s had a design fault. It was a clam shell design that had a ribbon cable that was prone to failure. Sony should have done a recall. About a year ago by chance I found a repair kit for the radio on the internet for $40. It had a new design that solved the pinched cable problem. So I finally got my radio back. No thanks to Sony.
Since Sony lied about not having the original paperwork. Since they lied by telling me that my new warranty was only 90 days and not one year I consider Sony an untrustworthy company and I have never given them a cent of my money. (Other than the $40 for the repair kit.) I may be small but I never forget. As far as I'm concerned we need to start bombing Japan again.
Since Sony lied about not having the original paperwork. Since they lied by telling me that my new warranty was only 90 days and not one year I consider Sony an untrustworthy company and I have never given them a cent of my money. (Other than the $40 for the repair kit.) I may be small but I never forget. As far as I'm concerned we need to start bombing Japan again.
Honestly, I'm just waiting on the X-Box to release a better system or hell, I'm just waiting until I have enough cash, I'm going to be selling my PS3 on eBay and all the games for it as well. The only thing I have Sony is the PlayStation as I didn't even bother with a PSP or anything else. I'll admit, Sony had a great PlayStation and PlayStation 2 - I had no problems with either systems, but X-Box is a better gaming community and it's products have gotten much better, especially their current line.
I don't buy their laptops because they are gimmicky, flashy and aren't at all innovative enough to making a lasting impression. What that means is that they basically follow suite of what other companies are doing and not necessarily coming up with something "unique" and that doesn't include engraving your name which is just a retarded thing to do, especially when they explicitly state that it ruins your warranty.
I don't buy their laptops because they are gimmicky, flashy and aren't at all innovative enough to making a lasting impression. What that means is that they basically follow suite of what other companies are doing and not necessarily coming up with something "unique" and that doesn't include engraving your name which is just a retarded thing to do, especially when they explicitly state that it ruins your warranty.
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If I refuse to sign the agreement and can no longer log onto the service, have THEY violated the terms of service I previously signed. And if yes, can I return the machine for a (depreciated) refund?
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Screw Sony. That's like their way of slapping a users face and saying tough ****. We can do what we want and there is nothing you can do about it. There will be a lawsuit on this I am sure. Sony and their products are nothing more than sub-par useless items just branded with **** that is Sony. I'm surprised their products are not brown to match. That rootkit fiasco you pulled on us will never forget. I love how big companies come out being all cocky. But keep in mind a company isn't **** without customers. Sure you have your stockholders but how many will still have them if a company has no customers? Company survives by money and certainly that money doesn't grow on trees. It comes from us without us Sony, you can't live and you know it. Just look at Netflix for example. Once all mighty beast is turning into a ***** cat. With the exception of the first Playstation, I have never ever bought any of your products because I do my research and learned about your ways with the company through out the years. I see the product name and I skip it. So ok, well how about my change of service, I want to return my original Playstyation because I no longer value and have faith in this company. Yea I bet that won't go will it. May you be blessed with more hackings perhaps in your bank account this time and bleed that money till you die.
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