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Team fortress 2 low fps, upgrade cpu?

By Skater9000
Oct 17, 2007
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  1. Hi. i recently purchased tf2 over steam and i swear my fps should be higher. in intense gun battles my fps drops to about 5-10 rendering it umplayable. the same is also happening to CS:S too and really im quite frustrated. i have the latest driver etc but im really quite stumped at how my fps is so low. my pc specs are:
    OS: Windows Vista
    CPU: P4 3.0GHZ HT (would it be worth upgrading to 3.4ghz?)
    RAM: 2 X 1GB DDR400
    Graphics: Leadtek 7600GT
    Mobo: Asrock P4i65g
    HDD: 3 X 120GB
    Case: Aspier X-cruiser


    Any help or suggestion are very welcome. Plus, should I bother upgrading my cpu to 3.4ghz as I have heard that CPUs can really bottleneck some systems:
    Thanks
  2. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41

    How about the fact that you're running the most power hungry operating system available. That might do it.
  3. Cinders

    Cinders TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,313   +12

    You probably have a video driver problem. Try reinstalling DirectX 10 and then your video card driver again.
  4. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41

    Vista is a power hog, usually sucking up 1.5Gs of ram just for the os, not to mention it requires quite a bit of video juice. My suggestion is either downgrade to xp(if you can bank that) or get a better gpu. In most benching of newer games like F.E.A.R, BIOSHOCK, etc there is a 10-15 fps difference in xp and vista.
  5. Cinders

    Cinders TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,313   +12

    I heard that Vista usually sucks up about 800MB of memory, and I doubt that the OP's computer behave's like this all the time with VISTA installed. He probably had good frame rates at one point or another. Counter Strike Source has been out for a while but Team Fortress 2 is new. Both games run on the Source engine so both would need about the same computer specs to run smoothly.
  6. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41

    Oh I'm sure both of these games could run smoothly on vista, but you cant deny that the game issues might be due to the os itself. Most people I know playing CS run xp with no problems.
  7. Cinders

    Cinders TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,313   +12

    I will agree that XP usually does get better frame rates than Vista and that Vista is a resource hog.

    I have a similar computer with XP, 3.2GHz Pentium IV, a GB of PC3200 and a 6800GS OC. I'll put another GB of memory in and see how she runs Counter Strike Source. If my computer can run Source at fluid frame rates then your computer should too.

    How old is this install of Vista? Did you install the chipset drivers?

    I believe that a 3.4GHz processor will not raise your frames rates enough to help much in this situation, but a dual core processor would help but your motherboard does not support those processors. Basically, if your computer is just to slow for this game then you'll have to buy a new computer to get the frame rates you want.
  8. pcnthuziast

    pcnthuziast TS Rookie Posts: 313

    What rez & settings are you working with? The 7600GT isn't bad, but isn't exactly a gameslayer either. If you're running at max settings with even 2x AA, I'd say the performance you're getting is absolutely normal for your system... especially when you factor in Vista!
  9. Skater9000

    Skater9000 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 20

    im playing at 1280 x 1024 with medium/high settings. i turned down AF to bilinear and AA down to 2x.
  10. pcnthuziast

    pcnthuziast TS Rookie Posts: 313

    Some may disagree, but based on your rig and in-game settings that sounds about right... turning of AA should give you a 10-15 frame boost and running at 1024 x 768 should give you another 10-15.
  11. czplayer

    czplayer TS Rookie Posts: 90

    if your cooling system is clogged with dust then i would highly suggest cleaning it out because this can increase performance significantly
     
  12. tweakboy

    tweakboy TS Maniac Posts: 518

    Guys the 7600 nvidia board is a consumer card, budget. You get a budget card, you get budget performance. Thats about right, those frame rates. Soo its upgrade time.
  13. Scorpius911

    Scorpius911 TS Rookie Posts: 20

    I have a similar rig for my wife albeit a slightly slower CPU (2.8) and a little less RAM. a 7600GT also. Only difference is its running XP not Vista and it runs TF2 on med/high settings fine. Trust me its not the card. The 7600GT should cope with that engine. Even if you sort this prob out I'd suggest you dual boot Vista/XP in future if possible. Fact is Vista just isn't worth it for gaming right now.
  14. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41


    yeah you get what you pay for, but we're talking about CS here, not F.E.A.R on max settings. I say get rid of vista and you'll see a difference, while you're ingame trying to enjoy yourself, vista is like a thief in the night, waiting for the right moment to suck your computer dry. Then some other guy is yelling headshot and you're all ticked off.
  15. Skater9000

    Skater9000 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 20

    ok the day after tommorow im gettin a new rig, hooray!! I want your opinions though.
    CPU: Intel core 2 duo e6400
    ram: 2gb ddr2 667
    graphics: 8600gt pci-e

    what are your thoughts?
  16. Cinders

    Cinders TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,313   +12

    What motherboard or is this a Dell type situation err computer?
  17. Skater9000

    Skater9000 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 20

    no this isnt a dell or anything this is custom. not sure what the motherboard is though but i will try and find out asap.

    p.s what are your thoughts so far?
  18. Cinders

    Cinders TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,313   +12

    Me thinks you could get faster memory so far, but what is your budget?

    Oh I just installed CS:Source on my 3.2 GHz Pentium IV, 1GB of PC3200, 6800GS OC with Windows XP and had no problems getting 83-84 average fps in the video stress test.
  19. Skater9000

    Skater9000 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 20

    really?! wow thats pretty good compared to mine. what socket is that p4 3.2ghz?
    i dont really have a budget but the problem is that ive already own the ddr2 memory so i dont really see a point in shelling out on slightly improved version of an already reasonable pair of sticks tbh
  20. beef_jerky4104

    beef_jerky4104 Banned Posts: 1,094

    That RIG should be fine. DDR2-667 is only about 3% slower than DDR2-800.
  21. Skater9000

    Skater9000 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 20

    oh and 1 more thing, i purchased some steam games over the internet (downloaded them from steam) would I have to buy them again for my new rig as i will have to do a fresh install of everything?
  22. pcnthuziast

    pcnthuziast TS Rookie Posts: 313

    No. Just make sure to remember your steam account info: login and password!
  23. Cinders

    Cinders TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,313   +12

    My old 3.2GHz Pentium IV Northwood is a socket 478 processor on a Gigabyte GA-8KNXP motherboard built on the Intel 875P chipset. It has 1GB of Crucial Ballistix PC3200 timed at 2,2,2,5 (normally rated at 2,2,2,6 timings) with a BFG 6800GS OC. I get between 83-84 frames per second at 1280X1024 screen resolution with everything at stock except for the memory which uses ever so slightly tighter timings than what is on its SPD.
  24. Mr.Scaramanga

    Mr.Scaramanga TS Rookie

    Well I have much the same rig as yourself, and am having exactly the same problems

    OS: Windows XP
    CPU: P4 2.8GHZ HT
    RAM: 4 X 512MB DDR400 Corsair Cas 2
    Graphics: Leadtek 7600GT AGP
    Mobo: Asus P4E800 Deluxe
    HDD: 1 X 320GB
    Case: Antec Sonata

    Whether I'm running at minimum settings 640x480 or everything maxed out at 1280x960 I'm consistantly getting around 15-40 fps. Strangely I seem to get better performance at 4x AA/AF 1280x960 than I do at absolute minimum settings... go figure.

    I realise my cpu/ram/mobo needs a major upgrade, but seen as games like fear play fine (or much better) at mid-high settings I can help but think theres some obscure setting I've missed that will help me.

    Ive done all the usual driver updates etc to no avail. Does anyone have a 7600GT that isn't getting piss-poor fps? I assume it has to be a down to my cpu/mobo because otherwise everyone with a 7600GT would be crying foul.

    Theres another guy with the same issue here:

    au.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26072001&page=0

    So whats the consensus, give up on it and just sell a kidney and upgrade, or do you think we have a resolvable performance issue here?
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