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Trying Linux out

By labuerkle
Sep 18, 2002
  1. I tried Red Hat Linux four years ago and never did figure out my way around it and then dumped it. I would like to try it out again and see what happens. Any recommendation on which Linux I should try out. Keep in mind I know next to nothing about Linux.

    Thanks

    Larry
     
  2. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 6,504   +6

    Red Hat is probably the market leader and is my favourate distro. My extensive installation instructions here:

    http://www.techspot.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214

    ...were written with Red Hat in mind. There's plenty of info there on installing and on guiding you through some of your initial hurdles that you will probably find, as we built the thread up with several members installing Red Hat and posting in with any problems that they found. AFAIK there were no unresolved problems.

    Red Hat has come a LONG way in the last 4 years. I remember installing Red Hat 4 years ago and its nothing like it is now. You will find that a lot of the installation is done for you just like Windows 2000 type of thing. You will of course require some unpartitioned HDD space before beginning but the thread tells you all about that.

    I really think that if you are curious, you should give it a go. Its really another world and there is a lot to learn about computing from installing and using Linux.

    Post back here with any problems, but it might be better if you posted to the thread http://www.techspot.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214 instead of here to avoid any duplication. Its best to keep all of people's first experiences and first problem solving in one thread and as to provide a resource for future users. I also attached a .txt file which as a far as I remember was printer friendly which contained all of the instructions, you will find that in the thread too. Good luck and please feel free to post back with any questions. I can't promise that we will have all of the answers but there is a good community here who will give it their best shot.
     
  3. labuerkle

    labuerkle TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Thank you

    Thanks for the reply and all the usefull information, it always appreciated.

    Larry
     
  4. Julio Franco

    Julio Franco TechSpot Editor Posts: 6,590   +351

    Talking of Linux... a new version of Lindows is now out, though they have changed their initial approach I've heard crap about them, not that I'm a linux user though, any comments on that?
     
  5. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    I would try Linux out...but Phantasm! C'mon!!

    I don't think I'd try Lindows out. I dunno why...
     
  6. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

    A comment on Lindows: It seems I can't even try it without paying $99.
     
  7. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,647   +323

    Opposite of what Linux is about then huh?
     
  8. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    Is Lindows bloatware?

    Bah. Paying for Lindows. What are they trying to pull anyway?
     
  9. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

    Bringing choice to your computer! :haha:
    So basically it's (trying to be) like Microsoft® Windows and GNU/Linux combined in some obscure way. I'm not sure if I even want to test it now..
     
  10. eddy05

    eddy05 TS Rookie Posts: 223

    /me trying out Linux too

    I've just re-formatted my HDD (It's a pain). Now my system's quite empty. I've completely forgotten about Linux until when I tried to find links for my favourites (I've forgotten to backup my favourites...), that's when I stumbled upon Planet Mirror and saw links where you can download the CD image from.

    Curious, I came over Techspot to look for you guys for help :D I'm very cautious now 'coz I'll be installing Linux for the first time in my 17 years of living in this polluted planet. I figured that I needed help in selecting an easy-to-use OS boot program. I've fixed my eyes on RedHat Linux 8.0. I'm kinda worried about hardware compatibility... here's a general stats about my rig:


    Current OS: Windows 98SE
    Mobo: Elitegroup P4ITA2
    RAM: 4 x 64mb SamSung PC800
    Chipset: Original Intel 850
    Gfx: ABiT Siluro GeForce 4 Ti4200
    Sound: Creative SBLive! DE 5.1
    HDDs: SeaGate U Series 20410 (ST320410A) 20gb; Quantum Fireball 6.4gb
    Additionals: Acer 16x10 CD-RW (16 x 10 x 40)


    I noticed that there isn't a linux version of Intel Application Accelerator, nor is there a chipset driver for my i850. I found a Linux version of my Gfx drivers, but not for sound card. I used Nero for my CD-RW, but I'm not sure if there's other Linux software that's compatible with my Acer 16x10. Additionally, WarCraft III is a Windows application :blackeye:.

    Is it advisable for me to try Linux? I use the computer mainly for games like WC3, RA2, HL:CS and emulators, school work like Java, ASP, HTML and to surf the web in addition to IRC.
    If yes, any suggestion on drivers?

    I'll like to different from my peers :D, and I'll like to try out non-M$ products :grinthumb
     
  11. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

    Re: /me trying out Linux too

    Linux kernel has support for i850 already, so additional "drivers" aren't needed.
    Same here - the kernel has EMU10k1 support (the chip your soundcard has), so you should be able to get sound easily, new distributions of Linux detect these things automatically.
    cdrecord should work with it, there are some graphical user interfaces for it too but I can't name any right now
    It might work with Wine, just like HL:CS.
    Of course it is ;)
     
     
  12. Th3M1ghtyD8

    Th3M1ghtyD8 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 794

    Have you tried any "Live" Distros of Linux. For example The UT2K3 Demo is available on a Live Gentoo Linux distro, or Demo Linux offers a full Linux install with X, KDE/Gnome etc. plus loads of accessories/apps all on 1 CD.
     
  13. eddy05

    eddy05 TS Rookie Posts: 223

    Not Yet.

    Haven't try that. I found 5 CD images of RedHat 8.0 on Planet Mirror. I wanna save up enough cash for CD-Rs. Thank you both for you advises.

    Hmmm... What if I want Linux AND Windows? Which boot program will you recommend that has easy UI and moderate functionality?
     
  14. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    Re: Not Yet.

    Linux' GRUB will let you boot from both Linux and Windows if you have them on seperate drives. It's called dual booting.

    RH8 is 5 CD's? :dead:
     
  15. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

    Re: Re: Not Yet.

    This can be understood in many ways - GRUB lets you boot multiple OS's even they are on the same hdd. It's also possible to make Windows' bootloader (at least NT's) recognize Linux too but I'd say GRUB (or LILO) is easier. Others are allowed to have different opinions :)
     
  16. eddy05

    eddy05 TS Rookie Posts: 223

    I was thinking of installing them on a single disk. My second hard disk drive is only 6.4gb and is for storage of personal files and backup.

    I think RH8.0 isn't 5 CDs, but the CDs include utility programs as well
     
  17. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 6,504   +6

    To install Red Hat 8.0, you only need the first 3 CDs.

    CDs 4 and 5 contain the source code.
     
  18. Elcarion

    Elcarion TechSpot Paladin Posts: 188

    The usability for non-UNIX people isn't much better in most of the latest distros. Don't expect it to be much easier to use; better yet, think of it as a way to learn something new.

    See my other post in this forum for Lycoris Linux. I'll try it out and let you know how it goes. It appears to be the best Linux for Windows users who don't already know UNIX or Linux. I'm loading it to see if it's as good as the reviews it gets. It only requires 1 CD to install...amazing! :D
     
  19. Th3M1ghtyD8

    Th3M1ghtyD8 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 794

    Yeah but its not even worth trying out anyway. Amazing what u can find on p2p these days ;)

    As for the Windows compatibility, all it is a copy of Wine built into the OS, and as everyone knows Wine's compatibility is rather poor - should have seen the poor machine die when I tried to load Diablo II :D :D :D
     
  20. eddy05

    eddy05 TS Rookie Posts: 223

    Results

    I've got Linux RedHat 8.0 to work... but then, I was bewildered when I saw the log in screen. I don't know what is the default log in username!!! I tried to erase the Linux Partition away, but the Linux boot program won't go away until I formatted my PC again and reinstalled Windows! :blackeye:

    - What is the default user name and password (If there is)?
    - What's the proper way to remove Linux and GRUB?

    I went through the Linux installation itself and I comment that the graphics is sweet, it was better den the classic o' win98 I'm using now. I just didn't get a chance to get into the core program manager though... can't get past the log in screen :dead:
     
  21. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

    Re: Results

    Either root and the password you entered for it or anyof the usernames you created during install and their passwords.
    You can use any partitioning utility to delete its partitions. Deleting boot manager means installing a new one, so in 9x/ME use fdisk /mbr, in NT log to recovery console and type fixmbr.

    I think you deleted Linux too easily, though. There's nothing to be afraid of in it ;)
     
  22. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 6,504   +6

    Re: Results

    In order,

    -The one you should have entered during installation. I think that's optional but you MUST have entered a root password so log in as root and enter the password you put in.

    -The command to remove lilo is

    /sbin/lilo -u
     
  23. eddy05

    eddy05 TS Rookie Posts: 223

    Had a little more hands-on experience...

    Mictlantecuhtli,
    If I ran fdisk /mbr, will 1) the GRUB stop coming up and 2) my Windows partition be able to boot and 3) everything becomes intact as if I had never installed RedHat?

    OS: Windows 98SE, (Linux RedHat 8.0 [deleted])
    HDD: Seagate ST320410A 20gb; Quantum Fireball 6.4gb
     
  24. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

    I can't tell for sure what will happen. Computers are different, situations are different, ..
    I've used that command many times though and I've never had problems with it in a situation like this.
     
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