EClyde
Posts: 2,404 +950
There is nothing that isn't political except for bowel movements and the like
User-made patch restores Windows Update for blocked processors
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cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
Yeah back at ya.
Makson
Posts: 115 +26
Good advice. Your talking to Microsoft right? I agree, let Windows 7 die. No reason to aggressively try and kill an operating system gangsta style. An operating system that has at least 3 "more" years of guaranteed security updates coming it's way.
At the end of the day which operating system people use should always be their choice.
"The more you tighten your grip, Microsoft, the more operating systems will slip through your fingers."
When someone who buys a Ryzen or Kaby Lake PC still wants Win 7 because he thinks MS is stealing his credit card info then yeah... it's best to kill win 7 earlier than latter. I understand using it for compatibility problems, but some people need to be slapped back into reality. They really love to give stupid reasons not to upgrade.
I will give a non-stupid reason for continuing to use Windows 7, I don't want Windows 10 and I don't need Windows 10 because Window 7 meets all MY requirements, irrespective of all the hype.
Many divisions of the British Navy and USA Navy continue to use Windows XP and pay Microsoft to continue with support and updates.
Squid Surprise
Posts: 5,568 +5,206
Um... What 3rd party apps are we talking about here? I'm not advocating any in my post... I suggest using Google a little more thoroughly.... and while MS still gathers some information, it's no more information than is being gathered by any other OS.... And I'm not betting anything.... I'm stating things that are easily backed up by a Google search....
We're not talking days of research here.... I'm talking about spending maybe 5-10 minutes Googling any perceived issues you have with Windows 10 - you have wasted the same amount of time showing how ignorant you are replying to my post - maybe use that time more productively
And it will continue to work fine for you... for now.... but eventually MS will discontinue support, and you will need to replace your hardware.... and Windows 10 will be the only option at that point...
pffff hahahahahaha
you are talking as if that's a good thing
thanks for giving me a good laugh this morning. it's a good way to start my day.
Probably because it's neither ugly nor resource intensive. I don't know anyone who has "random hangs for a long time" just from using Aero even on older Sandy / Ivy Bridge class Integrated Intel GFX. Not being funny but given the sheer extent and over-enthusiasm with which you fill up every W10 thread with "If you use W7, your house will burn down and goblins will eat your children" fear-mongering, that sounds like another completely exaggerated "problem" that only you seem to suffer from (but that only 'started' for W7 users the day after you upgraded to W10)...
As others have said, people will use what they want and feel comfortable with. The "why can't everyone be exactly like me" crowd just need to get over it that there's simply nothing wrong with consumer choice or platform stability. No-one's being "edgy" with hipster competitions of "I still use XP", "Oh yeah, well I'm still on MS-DOS 2.0 and plan to move to OS/2 Warp next week". It's just that Microsoft have p*ssed off so many people, first with trying to "push on a string" the hybrid desktop / mobile app based on a <1% market share Windows Mobile platform that's now totally dead vs Android / Apple. Plus botched updates combined with repeated failed attempts at turning former paying customers into monetized hyper-consumers with yet another failed store-front, empty physical retail stores that get less traffic than 10x smaller Amazon kiosks, and then by screwing up marketing of the new OS's by threatening people into 'liking' them which further reinforces the direction-less desperation and panic in many people's eyes with MS's new "I Wanna Be Like Google But I Left It 5 Years Too Late" business model.
The "anti-W10 bottom line" is quite simple - No-one likes a control freak bully. Hence the backlash that will continue with or without the "permission" of a few W10 Forum Warriors for as long as MS continues to be ridiculously hostile offering nothing but threats and completely fake usage restrictions as we see in this article with Kaby Lake (which I can personally confirm works flawlessly and is 100% rock-soild stable on W7 despite the baseless fear-mongering).
~I don't know anyone who has "random hangs for a long time"~
that's BS and you know it. anybody who use win 7 for work encountered UI hangs. the OS feeling sluggish and hanging up is the main reason people used to call me to reinstall their win 7 PC. win 7 is just awful at dealing with "rot".
The only BS are your own FUD anecdotes. I literally have seen zero such claimed problems on any of 4 computers in our household, a dozen family & friends computers elsewhere, work PC's or have ever seen any PC that sits there "hanging for a long time specifically due to Aero" for reasons that didn't turn out to be an obvious hardware fault (eg, a failing GPU might screw up DWM if the OS responds by "dropping" the driver back to Generic VESA (or if you were dumb enough to buy a GPU then not install any drivers and run in VESA mode)). Some very old Hauppauge analogue TV tuners that software encoded over a slow bus had some issues but that stuff is +10-15 years old. If your PC is locking up for several minutes at a time (as you seem to be claiming), then it sounds like you have a serious hardware fault, or possibly a very old buggy GPU driver (there was an issue with a certain Catalyst driver version causing such lockups due to getting stuck in a low-clock frequency after idling, but that's hardly the OS's fault and has long been fixed). Likewise other fake comparisons regularly include "My old W7+HDD laptop was slow so I bought a new W10+SSD PC and it's much faster".
If you don't like W7 and prefer W10, fine, but don't make up silly sh*t and "oversell" your own beliefs with FUD that simply isn't representative of the majority's day to day experience. Aero doesn't even take up much RAM. As I flip back and forth right now between Aero and Basic themes and watch dwm.exe move between 57MB and 6MB usage, (51MB RAM difference), there's zero difference in performance or responsiveness on a fairly low-end GPU. CPU usage of dwm.exe is literally 0.2%. If that were the cause of the hang it would be far higher (eg, 25% of a quad-core if it were single threaded). What's more that 51MB difference isn't a "saving" either once you factor in what W10 "Tile Data Model Server" and other always on stuff like Cortana, Telemetry, etc, eats up in its place. (In fact, here's a video of W10 Services eating up 50% CPU in the background with Desktop Window Manager using up 5% CPU (5-25x more than the 0.2-1.0% I'm seeing in W7 if you really want to go down that route...))
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No. I will not. In 2020 I'll either remain with Windows 7 and rely on my firewall and my anti-malware suite to keep my computers relatively safe or I'll go with Linux.
bandit8623
Posts: 505 +283
Actually there is 1 good reason. Windows Media Center is not available on Windows 10. People with live tv tuners have to jerry rig other ways to get live tv to work. Its possible to do just much easier with windows 7.
GreenNova343
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Maybe because the other software comes from companies that have built their reputations on prior products? Maybe because those companies have a vested interest in at least performing a minimum amount of testing, if for no other reason than to avoid getting egg on their faces (like with the Batman: Arkham Knight launch disaster, https://www.techspot.com/news/61115-batman-arkham-knight-sales-suspended-pc-following-launch.html)? Maybe because, as with all consumer products where you pay money for them, there is an expected level of performance "out of the box" with the product, & failure to meet those expectations at best results in embarrassment & lack of sales, or at worse class-action lawsuits & big payouts that hurt the corporate bottom line?
But, hey, that's fine, if you're more than happy loading up your PC with all sorts of "free" software from anonymous coders that haven't even been reviewed, let alone vetted, by experts in the field, go right ahead...& maybe start a timer to see how long your system lasts before it implodes...
Well said. That sums up this issue precisely.
A free market is about being free to buy what you want from who you want and WHEN you want. Microsoft has had a corner on the market for so long that it began to rest on its laurels which drove a lot of people to Linux and Mac (Ubuntu enjoyed quite a surge around 2010 or so). And now, since the release of W10 and its declaration of having it installed on a billion computers, the company has resorted to bullying and malicious practices (yes, installing 10 without consent and shutting down updates for 7 and 8, which many customers paid hundreds of dollars for, is malicious). That, for many, is precisely what the blowback is over.
This has nothing to do with how good or bad Win 10 is, and it doesn't have anything to do with how good/bad/old Win 7 and 8 is. Arguing on the merit, or lack of merit is pointless because it is not the point. The point is that the consumer should be the one to decide whether to upgrade or not. Free, not free. Good, bad. Old, new. None of that matters. What matters is that Microsoft is removing the ability to choose from at least some of its client base.
As for Aero hanging. I installed Win 7 on my laptop about a year or so after it released. My laptop was already at least 5 years old at that time. I never experienced any hang using Aero. In fact, Win 7 was the best experience I'd had using Windows since Win 95. It was completely stable for me.
I have not used my W7 laptop since 2012. I dual-booted Linux/Vista in 2008, then upgraded the Win part to W7 in 2009. I bought an iMac in 2010, still using dual-booting laptop and finding myself using the Win part less and less. Bought a 15" MacAir in 2012 and haven't used Windows since. I had been disenchanted with Microsoft's business practices for some time (since the XP days). It was time for a change and I don't regret it. Both Mac purchases were the best money I've ever spent on a computer and laptop.
After using Win10 for over six months we have now returned all machines to to Win7. We have also cancelled all purchases of Rizen CPU's and Mobo's.
Apple has released three versions of their OS in less than 2 years, they have not done that before. Each version has been more aggressively invasive with its tracking. In the most recent version 10.12 updates, users were "invited" to join iCloud Drive. What they were not told, nor were their support people, is that doing so moved your Desktop and your entire Documents folder OFF your computer and into their servers. This makes tracking usage, and any other activities much easier to collect and "share" with their partners and affiliates. It is another significant source of income for Apple. THAT is why it's free. It is not out of the goodness of their greedy corporate hearts.
Rockstarrrr
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Thanks for the info, I gotta admit Im not that familiar with Apple ecosystem.
Squid Surprise
Posts: 5,568 +5,206
Now that's a fantastic "head in the sand" response... I like your stubbornness
Out of curiosity, what's your plan in 3 years when Windows 7 is no longer supported and you need new hardware?
JIgou
Posts: 9 +0
Good advice. Your talking to Microsoft right? I agree, let Windows 7 die. No reason to aggressively try and kill an operating system gangsta style. An operating system that has at least 3 "more" years of guaranteed security updates coming it's way.
At the end of the day which operating system people use should always be their choice.
"The more you tighten your grip, Microsoft, the more operating systems will slip through your fingers."
When someone who buys a Ryzen or Kaby Lake PC still wants Win 7 because he thinks MS is stealing his credit card info then yeah... it's best to kill win 7 earlier than latter. I understand using it for compatibility problems, but some people need to be slapped back into reality. They really love to give stupid reasons not to upgrade.
I will give a non-stupid reason for continuing to use Windows 7, I don't want Windows 10 and I don't need Windows 10 because Window 7 meets all MY requirements, irrespective of all the hype.
Many divisions of the British Navy and USA Navy continue to use Windows XP and pay Microsoft to continue with support and updates.
I must admit, I really love Aero, and Win10 IS butt ugly in comparison.
Dustyn
Posts: 133 +60
Although I applaud his efforts on creating this patch... the whole project is futile. The patch will achieve the intended purpose, but only for a short period of time until Microsoft releases a new patch to counteract the reverse engineered patch. I think Microsoft will find another way to counter act this project.
Now that's a fantastic "head in the sand" response... I like your stubbornness
Out of curiosity, what's your plan in 3 years when Windows 7 is no longer supported and you need new hardware?
Linux is looking better all the time now.
I try to refrain from arguing with people that love Windows 10. I notice however that many of these people do little with their computers other than the internet and some word processing. We are a production business archiving video and audio for numerous artists and I often start with an empty 2TB drive in the morning and have filled it by afternoon. We are mirroring drives, burning disks, encoding Video, Editing sound, Compiling programs and yes we also have web pages and distribute through the Cloud. So our work load is tremendous compared to the average user.
I try to give each MS OS a fair trial as I did with ME, Vista, and 8 each time returning to what I had previously used successfully. I have to get work done and when the OS is an obstacle limiting my production I pull my backup boot drive off the shelf and boot to whatever OS is best for the task. We have a large collection of 60gb SATA boot drives to choose from. I test a lot of software for OS comparability and I have boot drives for every MS OS After trying to use Win10 for over 6 month I can say for sure I would rather use ME. We were never able to get our network running correctly, the included video tools are slow, complicated and produce poor quality as compared to numerous third party programs. I don't need fingerprint recognition, or to talk with my computer all I need is a basic OS and please let third party developers create the programs. They do a much better job than MS at a more reasonable price. Win10 contains so much self promotion, spyware, and data theft that I don't trust MS at all any more. In fact their “Strong Arm Methods” to force users to use 10 make me suspicious of virtually everything they do. Remember “just because your paranoid it doesn't mean your not being followed” (Berrigan). Despite numerous attempts to disable all of this I never really felt confident that I had succeeded. I believe MS has an agenda..
My Win10 SSD drive has been on the shelf now for several months and I cannot think of a single feature that I need it for. I know using it precludes me from doing so many things that work fine on Win7. Win7 and Sony Vegas is the ultimate audio video production tool.
I try to give each MS OS a fair trial as I did with ME, Vista, and 8 each time returning to what I had previously used successfully. I have to get work done and when the OS is an obstacle limiting my production I pull my backup boot drive off the shelf and boot to whatever OS is best for the task. We have a large collection of 60gb SATA boot drives to choose from. I test a lot of software for OS comparability and I have boot drives for every MS OS After trying to use Win10 for over 6 month I can say for sure I would rather use ME. We were never able to get our network running correctly, the included video tools are slow, complicated and produce poor quality as compared to numerous third party programs. I don't need fingerprint recognition, or to talk with my computer all I need is a basic OS and please let third party developers create the programs. They do a much better job than MS at a more reasonable price. Win10 contains so much self promotion, spyware, and data theft that I don't trust MS at all any more. In fact their “Strong Arm Methods” to force users to use 10 make me suspicious of virtually everything they do. Remember “just because your paranoid it doesn't mean your not being followed” (Berrigan). Despite numerous attempts to disable all of this I never really felt confident that I had succeeded. I believe MS has an agenda..
My Win10 SSD drive has been on the shelf now for several months and I cannot think of a single feature that I need it for. I know using it precludes me from doing so many things that work fine on Win7. Win7 and Sony Vegas is the ultimate audio video production tool.
Yeah the client has been compromised for mobile devices. I'm With you Aero is beautiful.Good advice. Your talking to Microsoft right? I agree, let Windows 7 die. No reason to aggressively try and kill an operating system gangsta style. An operating system that has at least 3 "more" years of guaranteed security updates coming it's way.
At the end of the day which operating system people use should always be their choice.
"The more you tighten your grip, Microsoft, the more operating systems will slip through your fingers."
When someone who buys a Ryzen or Kaby Lake PC still wants Win 7 because he thinks MS is stealing his credit card info then yeah... it's best to kill win 7 earlier than latter. I understand using it for compatibility problems, but some people need to be slapped back into reality. They really love to give stupid reasons not to upgrade.
I will give a non-stupid reason for continuing to use Windows 7, I don't want Windows 10 and I don't need Windows 10 because Window 7 meets all MY requirements, irrespective of all the hype.
Many divisions of the British Navy and USA Navy continue to use Windows XP and pay Microsoft to continue with support and updates.
I must admit, I really love Aero, and Win10 IS butt ugly in comparison.
wiyosaya
Posts: 9,759 +9,644
From my own personal experience, I have to disagree. Depending on hardware configuration, 10 updates break things. 7 and 8.1 updates never did. I've posted to several threads about this, so I am not going to repeat myself. If you would like to educate yourself about this, here is one story about just one problem - http://www.infoworld.com/article/31...rsary-update-bug-drops-wi-fi-connections.html
There are many, many, many issues with 10. Because your experience is acceptable does not mean that everyone's is.
Squid Surprise
Posts: 5,568 +5,206
Yep... you and the other 7 people running it are gonna have a great time
Skidmarksdeluxe
Posts: 8,645 +3,290
NEWSFLASH!!! There are many, many, many issues with all OS's. Just pick your poison and be satisfied.
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