Vaping industry now subjected to the same regulations as traditional cigarettes

[treetops]

Let me also add when I drink and smoke heavily I get a hang over. I thought vaping might be healthier, but I get the same tobacco head ache. When I'm not drinking I have little to no desire to smoke or vape. When I drink and I do not smoke or vape my hangover is way less. From what my own body is telling me they are both a terrible choice.

 

[treetops]

I don't really give a flying snot, how many lives are "saved" by not smoking. By my "rough guesstimate", we already have about 3 billion too many now. (Yes, you read that right, "billion", with a "B").

As far as being led to what a clique of "doctors" has to say about "saving lives", they can only afford that new Beemer every other year, is if people keep getting sick, and insurance keeps paying them extravagantly to heal the sick . The joke there is, "a doctor is someone who takes your purse to see how sick you are".

Now, I abundantly don't care how many people die from smoking. Bit I do have quite a vested interest in how much my non-smoker's medical insurance premiums go up, alongside their completely lacking enough "common sense", to quit. So, when I see pictures of someone who feels it necessary to lift their oxygen mask to put a cigarette in their mouth, the first thing that springs into my mind is, "they should likely be euthanized", as treatment seems too expensive and pointless to continue. Bear in mind I also have an abundant disregard whose father, mother, sister, or brother they happen to be. They're a massive burden to the rest of the health insurance paying, and not our problem.

Now, you keep pumping out crap about "vaping", is practically good for you. While out the other side of your mouths, you blabber how, "nicotine isn't addictive". So why bother with it at all?

Now, you can whimper all you want about the "government just wanting the money". I figure, the government taxing your bad habits, is, (at least for the time being), not picking my pockets. (y)

So, the debate rages on, "nicotine is addictive", "nicotine isn't addictive","nicotine perks you up", "nicotine calms you down", ad naseum.

What nicotine is, is a junk high. You barely get off on it when you start taking it, but yet, a week later you can't feel it, and a team of wild horses can't get you to quit taking it.

So, make all the mental deals and compromises with yourself you choose, just don't expect those not involved with, "the vaping community", to take any particular interest in, "you problem", "your revelry", "you necessary evil". "the sport of kings", help me here, what should we call it?

I've always been fascinated by this, "MDMA", AKA "ecstasy", is correctly called "3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine". Yet you talk to anyone who takes it, they'll swear up and down they don't do "crank". I diagnose that as, "my drug is better than your drug although they're pretty much the same thing".

As far as all the money pissed away over the years to verify the fact that cigarette smoking causes cancer, it was probably unnecessarily spend, in an effort to rein in the tobacco lobby.

When I took my first cigarette at about 13, (1951), they had already been called "coffin nails" for decades.

Now you follow one of my links: http://tobacco.harpweek.com/hubpages/CommentaryPage.asp?Commentary=Introduction


Questions?

One thing you forgot is that people who smoke have higher insurance rates or premium not sure which. Some may never have a tobacco related health issue, likely only those who stop. But it might average out to your favor and actually save non smokers money.

 

[captaincranky]

One thing you forgot is that people who smoke have higher insurance rates or premium not sure which. Some may never have a tobacco related health issue, likely only those who stop. But it might average out to your favor and actually save non smokers money.

You're not even the least bit suspicious that the insurance industry might spread those extra costs around a bit? After all, they are in business to make a profit. Or possibly there's a smoker's rate, a non-smoker's rate, and the extra little percentage they put on everybody's premium equally, so they don't get charged with "discrimination"..

I do know life insurance rates are higher for smokers. My son got married and was looking to take out a life insurance policy. I think he quit a couple months before the physical, in case they took a hair sample..

(Me you ask? I wouldn't have a life insurance policy with the person I slept next to as a beneficiary. OK, that is a "little bit" over the top paranoid. But with today's divorce rates, not a whole lot )

AFTERTHOUGHT: When I was a boy, way back in the stone age, women actually had children without getting an ultrasound! Now, it's customary for women to keep the pictures from their pretty much mandatory ultrasound, to pass around to their friends at the supermarket.

In 1993 I had a "echo cardiogram" done for a heart valve issue. Now an echo cardiogram, is nothing, if not an ultrasound, done around a foot higher. That cost $2300,00. So, nobody's saving any money on today's insurance premiums, they're just paying too much, a bit less than someone else's "too much".

 

[MaXtor]

We breath water vapor all the time.... Who knows what's in that....

No s***, really? I suppose we might get overdosed on "????????", were we to stand on a pier and breath in the ocean spray. Better contact the trial lawyers association and get a class action lawsuit going against every seaside resort on the planet.

Imagine the ramifications from the headline, "standing on a pier bass fishing causes cancer".

There are studies on heavy metals being found in vape which claim that inhaling these heavy metals cause cancer. Which would be true in high doses, however the reality is that these heavy metals are measured in parts per million and found due to 0.05% - 0.5% water content found in propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin (the ingredients which allow the flavor and nicotine to be vaporized). These are significantly lower levels of the same heavy metals found in water which you would inhale from vapor produced by a hot shower. No one gets cancer from having too many hot showers... commonsense would conclude that this is a non-issue. Unfortunately this is exactly the type of scrutiny that vaping is being put through.

 

[MaXtor]

Let me also add when I drink and smoke heavily I get a hang over. I thought vaping might be healthier, but I get the same tobacco head ache. When I'm not drinking I have little to no desire to smoke or vape. When I drink and I do not smoke or vape my hangover is way less. From what my own body is telling me they are both a terrible choice.

One of the main components of ejuice is propylene glycol. Propylene glycol binds with water and is dehydrating. A significant part of why drinking causes a hangover is dehydration. Vaping will not help in preventing hangovers, but it is most definitely healthier than smoking.

 

[cliffordcooley]

No one gets cancer from having too many hot showers...

And you have absolutely no way of knowing that. Sure we would all like to believe that is true, but no one knows without a doubt.

 

[MaXtor]

And you have absolutely no way of knowing that. Sure we would all like to believe that is true, but no one knows without a doubt.

I agree, which in the end supports my statement. The fact that the water content in vaping is at most 0.5%; equating to 1/200 of shower vapor. You said it best, "you have absolutely no way of knowing," these studies are bogus.

 

[captaincranky]

Congratulations to both of you. This has gotten sillier than even I could have made it. Here, here, well done!

OTOH, Rome had lead lined aqueducts. Ostensibly these brought water into the city, which was then heated to steam in community baths. Prominent Roman officers, statesmen, judges, and politicians frequented these baths, unwittingly inhaling massive quantities of lead in the process.

This led to a general craziness in the most influential sectors of Roman society. At some point in time, sensible decision making fell by the wayside, and Rome fell into a weakened state, allowing the savages from the northern territories to invade, capture, and sack the city in 476 AD.

Therefore, it is proven beyond a doubt, taking too many hot showers caused the downfall of the mighty Roman empire!.

 

[DJMIKE25]

Same here, not once but, twice. I know the difficulties in quitting. It's all a matter of will-power. Until your will is strong enough, your power to quit or stay quit will never last. Anyone playing with these vapor toys, do not have the will to quit.

It has nothing to do with lack of will, I didn't want to quit, I just wanted something that was less toxic.

 

[Zintin]

We breath water vapor all the time.... Who knows what's in that....

No s***, really? I suppose we might get overdosed on "????????", were we to stand on a pier and breath in the ocean spray. Better contact the trial lawyers association and get a class action lawsuit going against every seaside resort on the planet.

Imagine the ramifications from the headline, "standing on a pier bass fishing causes cancer". @DJMIKE25 Think of all the sea bass who would be saved, as a collateral benefit of proving salt spray is a carcinogen. Why, the number could possibly be as many as a billion in the next century.

EPITAPH: Who could have known that many forms of skin cancer, even the deadly melanoma, were caused by inhaling sea spray, and not excess exposure to the sun?

It appears you have little or no knowledge of nicotine. Let me help you out. http://www.formindep.org/The-myth-of-nicotine-addiction.html

Oooo, thank you so much. There's nothing I enjoy more over breakfast coffee, than following links posted by some pedant, on a topic I thoroughly satirized way back at post #33

Time for a reality check on both sides of the debate.

1st, agreed nicotine and smoking tobacco offer two entirely different sets of health risks, the far worse of the two being tobacco smoke.

2nd, what we have with "vaping", is basically snorting your nicotine patches.

3rd, it's fashionable to have some some of addiction, even one as run of the mill as nicotine.

4th, nicotine does allegedly make you mentally sharper. Without the risks of smoking involved, one has to wonder if it would be possible to "vape" your way to a 200 IQ... (Granted, and IQ in that range would also make you too smart for your own good, but we'll cross that bridge if we ever come to it).

So how about if we make a deal, I'll follow every link you post in the future, if you first learn to read...

Although, you could be the first example of my speculation about how, "vaping nicotine", could possible make you too smart for your own good.

This Post:

Lets face it, putting ANY kind of vapor directly into your lungs is a bad idea, regardless of what the advertisers claim. The tobacco industry lied forever; what on earth makes you think they can be trusted now? The list of chemicals in that stuff is a witch's brew and anyone that passed their first year of HS chemistry should know better.

Lets face it was to much of a generalization. I was just calling you out on it.

I don't smoke, nor do I plan too. If people want there nicotine high I feel e-cigs are safer than the stuff they shove into the paper tubes. I find them as less annoying than regular cigarettes (I haven't smelled a nasty vape yet).

 

[MaXtor]

The long-term health implications of vaping aren’t yet known although early reports have found high levels of chemicals such as formaldehyde and acetaldehyde in e-cig liquids, both of which have been linked to cancer.

I overlooked this paragraph from the article. The study in question was not testing ejuice but testing the produced vapor. This is absolutely false and has been proven to be a completely flawed study by Dr Farsalinos. The problem is that they were using the vape in a way that no actual person ever could. Every vape has a maximum amount of power it can handle before the liquid vaporizes too quickly and causes the internal cotton to actually burn. When this happens it produces an unbearably disgusting taste that would be similar to lighting a cigarette backwards.

http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2015/191-form-nejm

 

[captaincranky]

This Post:

Lets face it was to much of a generalization. I was just calling you out on it.

I don't smoke, nor do I plan too. If people want there nicotine high I feel e-cigs are safer than the stuff they shove into the paper tubes. I find them as less annoying than regular cigarettes (I haven't smelled a nasty vape yet).

OK, well "that post" wasn't made by me. It was made by "UncleAl" >>>> (Page 2, # 26)

Lets face it, putting ANY kind of vapor directly into your lungs is a bad idea, regardless of what the advertisers claim. The tobacco industry lied forever; what on earth makes you think they can be trusted now? The list of chemicals in that stuff is a witch's brew and anyone that passed their first year of HS chemistry should know better.

The satirical post #33, was all my doing. (This also featured my take on the benefit of "vaping" as opposed to smoking cigarettes).

Also my doing, was post #45, which featured you being satirized for posting a bunch of nonsense about "smoking water".

So once again, I'm going to suggest kindly, you learn how to read, before you start spaying a bunch of crap my way.

 

[Uncle Al]

Got to respect a man that stands up and sets the record straight ..... !

 

[mrjgriffin]

This is why I started vaping recently. I couldnt breathe in the morning because of cigs. after vaping one full day the next morning I breathed WAY better, practically no issues. with continued use the issue is gone. now I can have my nicotine while being able to breathe. so whoever came up with the vaping juice idea has my hats off to them. pretty sure air pollution is right up there with **** you should never breathe in let alone vaping e juice lol. lets pretend we are on top of the food chain for a moment

 

[captaincranky]

This is why I started vaping recently. I couldnt breathe in the morning because of cigs. after vaping one full day the next morning I breathed WAY better, practically no issues. with continued use the issue is gone. now I can have my nicotine while being able to breathe. so whoever came up with the vaping juice idea has my hats off to them. pretty sure air pollution is right up there with **** you should never breathe in let alone vaping e juice lol. lets pretend we are on top of the food chain for a moment

When you come right down to it, nicotine should be marketed as as "weight loss drug", since everyone who quits smoking seems to pack on the pounds. You newly minted, "vapers" (*) will have to get back to us in a few months, to report on vaping vs. smoking, in regard to weight gain.

Now, if you want to complain about the fed regulating it, and/or taxing it, count me as unsympathetic. After all, I quit smoking cold turkey, and in the process now avoid the cigarette tax. Now, I'd much rather them have to tax your bad habits, as opposed them taxing my good ones....> (back at ya).

(*) That would be, "vapador", or, "vapero" en Espanol

 

[JaymondoGB]

About time really.

 

[MaXtor]

About time really.

I know, it's about time the vaping industry is handed off to big tobacco and big pharma. Finally states will be able to repay their tobacco bonds from the 1998 Masters Settlement Agreement. And health organizations can continue receiving funding. The only downside is 20,000+ small businesses closing, 100,000+ people becoming unemployed, and a few hundred million deaths by the end of the century. It wouldn't be America if studies and science weren't completely ignored and if laws weren't put through based on money. About DAMN time really. #abillionlives