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Vista Beta2 A What Works And What Don't Thread?

By luvhuffer
Jun 25, 2006
  1. So I'd like some input from other beta testers on what programs you have working and what ones don't. Here's some of mine.

    Working:

    AdAware SE 1.6

    Spybot S&D 1.4

    CS eTrust EZ Armor Anti-Virus Vista Ed. This one just came out so I was able to unload the Norton PCcillin which was a major resource hog. It was using 50,000k of memory with everything turned on. But it wasn't problematic.

    Office 2007 Beta (DUH!) It got corrupted the first time and I couldn't uninstall it, or reinstall it so I could uninstall it so I could reinstall it. It worked fine the second time I reinstalled Vista.

    MusicMatch 10

    Adobe Reader

    Deepnet Browser

    nVidia 88.61 x86 Vista video drivers

    iespell

    EULAlyzer

    Moffsoft Free Calculator

    Jasc PaintShop Pro 8.0 (slow load)

    What doesn't work:

    AIM I tried to force it and it was a nightmare to get rid of.

    Spyware Blaster

    Spyware Guard It worked but was such a slow load at startup I removed it.

    Motherboard Monitor5 It would crash if I enabled CPU usage, and would not work displaying IDE hard drive temps. Then after a bit it would stop working intermitently, so i gave up on it.

    I really haven't anymore to add right now. But t would be nice if others would post your lists as well.
     
  2. g4r3th

    g4r3th TS Rookie

    I've been looking for such a list, I don't wanna go installing stuff that might make me have to re-install everything again lol. Anyway things I have working without ny problems...

    DUMeter (Monitors Bandwidth)
    Steam (Halflife 2)
    Battlefield 2
    Skype
    Office 2003
    k-Lite Codec Pack
    Windows Live Messenger Final
    MsgPlus 4
    Mozilla Firefox and Plugins

    Will add more as I test them.
     
  3. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,714   +397

    Darkengine doesn't work with mirc in vista. It sort of does, but any call for information about the motherboard or bios crashes mirc. Also I haven't quite got the winamp thing to work with it, I got it now so it at least is displaying the name, and some vital information, but the rest of the display is all messed up.
     
  4. vegasgmc

    vegasgmc TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,377

    Avast anti virus and Tiny firewall work great plus they are free.
     
  5. luvhuffer

    luvhuffer TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 443

    Won't work

    Alcohol 120% v. 1.9.2.1 won't create the virtual drive. It BSOD'd me.

    U.S. Robotics 5399B V92 Win Fax Modem keeps crashing on startup and giving a device failed to start error box. Device manager shows it working properly.

    Musicmatch 10 has stopped working. I'm getting a C++ runtime error.

    Works

    jrDirectory printer

    Audacity 1.2

    HijackThis

    Everest Home Except for the sensor readings. Since mobo monitor5 had problems with the sensor as well, it seems there is an issue with Vista reading the mobo sensors.
     
  6. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,714   +397

    I managed to get Vista and Darkengine and Winamp to play nicely together, not entirely sure what I did, I played around with how darkengine displays winamp and somehow fixed it, but it doesn't make sense considering how it initially looked.

    But it still does crash mirc at any call to the motherboard. Which now based on what I read doesn't suprise me, seems anything involving calls to the motherboard don't work properly.

    Also another thing I've picked up. It seems you need at least 1 reboot, before any program you install will work properly. That may be what happened with darkengine, because I don't think I changed anything other than rebooting when I made my biggest stride in fixing the winamp issue.
     
  7. luvhuffer

    luvhuffer TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 443

    It definitely has some strange quirks (maybe even some quarks floating around <g>). I was loading the browser I use, and I kept getting exceptions when I would try to open it. I finally had to uninstall then reinstall it without the news feed. Then I rebooted and reinstalled it over itself, treating it like an upgrade. Only the second time I went ahead and added the news reader. I then got a message saying the program didn't install correctly. I said it did, and rebooted. It's working fine now.

    Initially the OS was really slow and crappy. Then I realized the spare drive I had installed to load Vista on was a 4800RPM. So I repartitioned my boot drive and loaded Vista on a new partition. But I'm still set up with a dual boot config with XP as the primary system on C. If nothing else I gotta say now that surfing is blazingly faster than XP ever was. I do have aero disabled. I still take a hit with the clear windows, and only a GB of RAM. It seems Vista is growing on me.
     
  8. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,714   +397

    Can you tell me what this Aero is, I hear a lot about it and I've looked all over windows and I don't see where to turn it on or off, I don't even know if I have it on or off right now. I likely have it off because things are running fantastically for me right now and it seems people runnign it need to have ubersystems to make it smooth.
     
  9. DonNagual

    DonNagual TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 2,404

    Anyone have a wireless network adapter working in vista 64bit?

    Mine won't work. The Melco WLI-PCM-L11/GP no matter what driver I try. So I am going to buy a new wireless adapter but first need to know what people have working. Ideally something for a PCMCIA slot or USB (desktop computer).
     
  10. howard_hopkinso

    howard_hopkinso TS Rookie Posts: 24,177   +19

    Hi SNGX.

    This is taken from Wikipedia.

    You can find the full article HERE.

    Regards Howard :)
     
  11. luvhuffer

    luvhuffer TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 443

    Like with XP, right click on a blank spot on the desktop and open "personalize". You can also access it with the Personalization icon in the control panel. Click on appearance. You will see color schemes. The first one is Windows aero. That's the one that creates the transparent windows frame. When that is enabled you have options to control the degree of transparency and color. It is considered a resource hog and has no significant use other than cosmetic. If you are running Vista appearances Will open in the adjustment window. Scroll down and hit open classic appearances.

    The second option Vista Basic gives you a nice solid colored light tan Vista style window. It is less demanding and allows the OS to operate quicker, most noticeably if you have a GB or less of RAM. There are no options for color change. The other options are for the old original style windows. i.e. 98SE etc. I'm currently running a P4 at 3.3 with 1GB of dual channel PC3200, and a FX5900XT with 128MB's of memory. If I choose to run Aero it does run fine and I see very little performance loss, but I'm a power user, so I have aero turned off. No one ever sees my computer so I have no need to impress.

    Here's a wiki list of programs that Vista can run. Since it is a wiki article, I'm not familiar with who's posting what and how good they are, so take it with a grain of salt. I notice some programs appear in the will work list simultaneously with the won't work list.
    Windows Vista Beta 2 Software Compatibility List

    Are there any gamers out there using Vista? I'd really like to find a way to open the clock frequencies on the video card so I can overclock it.
     
  12. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,714   +397

    Thanks howard and luvhuffer - Thats exactly what I thought it was, and I had read the wiki article on aero too. I guess I just didn't see anything ultra special about it like some people had been talking. It doesn't seem to be slow to me with it on, seems exactly the same speed as XP and in XP I run with the Windows 2k look.
     
  13. luvhuffer

    luvhuffer TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 443

    A few more from this morning.

    Works:
    Cano Scan LIDE30 flat bed scanner driver and tool box utility

    Arc Soft PhotoBase

    QuickTime7 stand alone player (without the iTunes baggage!)

    PowerDVD 5.0

    Autoruns (sysinternals)

    Resource Hacker

    FavOrg

    PageDefrag (sysinternals)

    StarDownloader (free version)

    Works6.0 (I gave up on Office'07 [12] Beta)

    Restoration

    Picasa2

    Nero 6.0 Ignore the "This version is incompatble with this OS" message. Finish the installation, then install the 6.6 upgrade. I just installed the burner so can't say about the extraneous bundled features and music burning apps.

    MusicMatch Plus 7.5

    Java RE 1.5 v.7

    Won't work:

    CDBurnerXP Pro Gee, with XP in the name and it still doesn't work? (insert Homer Simpson voice here) DOH! Mmmm.........donuts!

    Audacity 1.2 and 1.3 It was working, now it isn't. It's a program I use a lot so I'll keep trying. Error was about some file not registering correctly, which would make sense had it not worked the first time I installed it.
     
  14. MarcFOnline

    MarcFOnline TS Rookie Posts: 74

    The long list of compatible Windows apps looks pretty much accurate... AIM is one notable exception, but I'm not a heavy user so I can definitely get by with AIM Express.

    The thing that's keeping me from thoroughly testing which programs work and which ones won't has been an annoying -- and seemingly very common -- driver issue. I simply can't get my sound to work under Vista, and I've tried literally everything.

    My primary sound card is an ancient Sound Blaster Live. (XP has it classified as a Live! Value, but in truth I bought it before there was a Value model.) Windows Update has drivers for it, and from what I can tell by checking multiple forums and newsgroups, some people have had luck with it. My problem is that I can't get that individual update (SB Live! Value drivers) to install correctly. I did try Microsoft's suggested method of disabling the Windows Update service, clearing its download folder, and restarting the service, but that was to no avail.

    Then I tried disabling my SB Live! altogether, restarting to my BIOS, and enabling my onboard sound. No luck there either.

    Has anyone managed to have luck with an SB Live! in Vista? I'm not expecting much -- after all, it is a beta, and driver issues are a given -- but I'd love to see how Vista handles my game collection, and sound is a rather important part of that.
     
  15. luvhuffer

    luvhuffer TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 443

    Aiim was a tough one and is a bit odd. v.553598 doesn't work at all for me. Neither did Triton. But the previous v.553595 is up and running perfectly.

    I have Realtek ALC650 [6.1] The Vista drivers on Realteks site gets an incompatable warning. But the Realtek drivers from winUpdate work. However they don't give me full control, and the equalizer function is gone completely. The other thing I noticed is when playing music on XP I set my amp volume (I'm running line out through a Sony receiver) to 35. That shakes the walls. On Vista I am having to go to 45 to get the equivalent volume. Even there, I seem to be losing some of the boom at the bottom end.

    I did get motherboard monitor5 to work. As long as you don't enable CPU usage it's OK. At least for me.

    Security. I dumped the Norton PCCillin, and went with the ezArmor ezAntivirus. That left me with the Windows Firewall and Windows Defender. Yesterday I went to Gibson Research and ran his ShieldsUp diagnostic. I was advertising my presence on the internet with a fog horn. Basically every port was answering the ping, even though they were announcing the port was closed. The interface for configuring the firewall is way too complex for normal everyday users, and the defaults for the firewall suck. So I uninstalled ez and reinstalled Norton. I'm running their anti-spy, anti-virus, and firewall, and Gibson is showing me in full stealth mode once again. Windows Defender has gone off of startup mode, and is set up for manual scan only. The one thing I like about Defender is it finds and cleans some rootkits. Funny, in performance ratings, they list Defender as a problem product that is slowing the shut down.

    I've totally shut down user account control even though MS is asking people to keep it enabled. I have also disabled the security center so I wouldn't keep getting the annoying user account control is disabled pop-ups. I do think user account control is a good thing, but when I have to go through 3 different permissions pop-up windows, just to start Spybot S&D from a desktop icon is just excessive. They say they will tone it down in later builds. There is already a newer build but it's not been made available to the public.
     
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