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Web inventor Sir Tim Berners-Lee warns of the three big dangers facing the internet

By midian182 ยท 34 replies
Mar 13, 2017
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  1. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 2,178   +702

    you know damn well that it's not about "filtering online information". give them a newspaper and they'll pick up on BS from those too. it's all about being more open minded and having a broader view of the world. the people from older generation that embraced the internet and learned how to use it effectively also have the same mindset.
    it's much harder to fool someone who will question everything you say and not believe blindly.

    FYI the new generation isn't smarter or more stupid than the older one. a different set of skills are required now to live in our society as a young adult and what they have to learn is also very different.
     
  2. davislane1

    davislane1 Inquisitor Posts: 4,099   +3,040

    Wrong. If you think millennials have a better or equivalent BS filter to their parents or grandparents, you clearly don't spent any time around them.

    Previous generations split the atom. This generation invented gender fluidity.
     
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  3. Yynxs

    Yynxs TS Addict Posts: 202   +70

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    ...it's all about being more open minded and having a broader view of the world. the people from older generation that embraced the internet and learned how to use it effectively also have the same mindset....

    I think it's cute that you think this began or ended in this day and age and that the "older generation" has a closed mindset because it disagrees with your vast new internet based knowledge and skills.

    http://www.roangelo.net/logwitt/logwit41.html
    The Apostle Paul wrote to the Thessalonians: "Question everything; keep what is good" (1 Thes. 5.21)

    https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/rene_descartes.html
    If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. ...Rene Descartes
     
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  4. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 2,178   +702

    If splitting the atom is what makes the previous generation smarter then you clearly on on some drugs or something. It's like you don't know about the advancements in both science and medical science we made in the past decade or two. We are freaking experimenting with using DNA as data storage. They recently stored a movie in it and managed to read it back.

    FYI I used to be an IT assistant during college at an high school, I've spent more time with millennials than you will ever do. It's you who has a weird misconception of how young people think.
     
  5. davislane1

    davislane1 Inquisitor Posts: 4,099   +3,040

    You clearly missed the point of the rhetoric.

    I was born in '89. My perception of how young people think is based on having been around them every day of my life. I'm speaking of the mean, not the right side of the bell curve or a handful of kids who are good at memorizing text books.
     
  6. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 2,178   +702

    It's not about disagreeing with internet based knowledge and skills. it's about having access to information and knowing how to use it to shift through BS "fake" news. people don't say that the world has become "smaller" for no reason. everything is available to you immediately. I have no doubt that there older people who are open minded, I've met so many in my life, but without a doubt the most closed minded people I've met are those who refuse to use the internet and are older than me.
     
  7. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 2,178   +702

    you are just a few months younger than me so don't go talking about how you've spent your life around young people.
    maybe it's a difference in how the kids think in your country, but I doubt it's as bad as you make it out to be.
     
  8. davislane1

    davislane1 Inquisitor Posts: 4,099   +3,040

    Didn't know your age. As far as nationality...of course I'm talking about Americans. And I am not exaggerating about them either.
     
  9. Yynxs

    Yynxs TS Addict Posts: 202   +70

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html
    IQs have largely increased since the 1930s thanks to better living conditions and education - a trend known as the Flynn effect
    But IQ test results suggest people in the UK, Denmark and Australia have become less intelligent in the past decade
    Opinion is divided as to whether the downwards trend is long-term
    Some studies have shown the average IQ of Westerners has plunged 10 points or more since Victorian times and others claim it will keep decreasing
    But other experts argue that even if we are becoming more stupid, better healthcare and technology means the 'problem' will regulate itself

    https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/IQ/1950-2050/
    Don't differing IQ figures for various countries simply measure cultural bias in the tests?
    This is a possibility, and in certain cases undoubtedly plays a factor. Yet tests carefully designed to exclude cultural bias (for example, spatial relationship tests based entirely on pictures, memorisation of digit sequences, and pure eye-hand reaction time) produce results comparable to those of traditional IQ tests. Further, if IQ tests embody cultural biases of the largely U.K. and U.S. creators of the tests, it's odd that populations of East Asian countries, with a variety of very different cultures, all test higher than those of the test makers.

    This list and information goes on a bit. I can look at and quote math scores. Average IQ is down. Without a certain level of basic understanding of the background forces in the world, millenials and anyone else, do not 'get' the concept of hidden manipulation. The number of "Jay Walkers" (Jay Leno man-on-the-street interviews) is higher. To put it bluntly, davislane is correct and the science says so.

    I dislike statistics because they are 'magical'. You can predict weather 68% of the time and that's considered successful. When it fails, "Well there were confounding factors."; to me, much like saying "You didn't get the spell right." However, statistics is the way 'anecdotal evidence', and personal observaton of single events or regions is generally 'anecdotal'. The statistics say the race is getting stupider. This isn't personal opinion and it is peer reviewed and critiqued, much like climate science.

    If you're going to say what you saw, like "I worked with them", find out if the ones you saw are one standard deviation or two to the right or left on the chart. Two kids in my neighborhood go to Thomas Jefferson high school (charter school for geniuses) and I knew them when they were babies and rug rats. They did not drool smarter nor not bang their heads on the coffee table. Now, the rest of the kids look pretty stupid by comparison (anecdotal). Doesn't mean they are 'pretty stupid' or they can't think clearly.

    In short, when you talk about 'your' experiences, don't be uninformed about their validity.
     
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  10. Yynxs

    Yynxs TS Addict Posts: 202   +70

    Old people are 'close minded' because they are already successful. They proved it. They lived and had children and passed on their genes and knowledge to their grandchildren. From my anecdotal experience (and non-science personal observations are 'anecdotal') old people do not use technology because no one shows them how who does not 'emotionally threaten' as in "It's simple just do....". (See we old people remember when you were learning it and your greasy fingers were all over keyboard and screens and stuff broke and we paid to get it fixed but that's another rant) This is aside from small screens and small keyboards (which callused or arthritic or palsied hands have difficulty with), and 'auto typing' meaning spending yet more time backing out words that weren't wanted or 'spell checked' in.

    Personally, I like smart phones, but I like my privacy more, so I don't walk around with one and let myself be tracked and assimilated and predicted by Googlies and their shadow thought mongers (read advertisers). As the world has learned, this need for privacy and the "Right to Privacy" is important.

    I've dealt with old people and I deal with them and they love tech, but they're not as impressed with it as millenials. When they were young, the projected tech was much better than what's out here now: interstellar drives, flying cars, logical aliens with 'superior minds'. Science Fiction involving thought control of the masses was considered a 'dark tale', not normality. Frankly, most of them (and I) can look up and determine which way is north even in the middle of any city. This makes GPS much less impressive aside from when GPS is flat wrong. In spite of the siren call to millennials, old people remember a phone that worked with pocket change on every corner, so a walk around capability seems a lot like paying for something you don't use 99% of the time. "Instant photographs" passed 'instantly' means no 'in person' oohs and ahs, when they show off what they found in 'strange territory'. It means something to little kids to say 'look what I found' to their friends traveling with them, but no one in the world wants to be with their friends literally all the time with no escape, so for old people, that too, is not impressive. This is aside from videos of 'children and grandchildren' which gain value from separation time from them. e.g. If you've been with them all day, a video of being with them is not that impressive. Technology today is impressive, but old people used stuff that was just as good, but slower.

    In short, old people have a 'different mindset'. In that mindset 'change' has to PROVE it's worth, not automatically be accepted as good. Next time you talk to a 'close minded' old person, remember how much they've seen and how little your 'whiz bang' (that's a phrase that describes bottle rockets by the way) means to them. If you're the programming type, make what you want to sell them 1-click. Works for me anyway.
     

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