G
Guest
Star Trek TNG made the show a franchise. And why has no one mentioned Farscape?
Weekend Open Forum: Star Wars or Star Trek?
- Thread starter Scorpus
- Start date
abysal
Posts: 126 +46
Agreed. Fantasy vs Science Fiction is how best to describe the two.
captaincranky
Posts: 19,682 +8,814
Probably because Ben Browder and Claudia Black were the most unlikely couple in the history of film, not just science fiction film.
dividebyzero
Posts: 4,840 +1,271
Overwrought space melodrama with no character progression versus the episodic parade of stereotypes with minimal (at best) character development.
Used to like Star Trek as a kid, but it didn't take long to realize you could view the three seasons episodes in any order and it wouldn't affect the viewing experience. Three seasons into their 5 year mission up against enough WTF moments to make Chuck Norris cry and not a sign of PTSD in sight.
Used to like Star Trek as a kid, but it didn't take long to realize you could view the three seasons episodes in any order and it wouldn't affect the viewing experience. Three seasons into their 5 year mission up against enough WTF moments to make Chuck Norris cry and not a sign of PTSD in sight.
At least the first four seasons. Going with the theme, I'd say Farscape, Firefly, B5, and Red Dwarf. I'd probably rate the flawed BSG above the Star Trek franchise (DS9 seemed the best of the bunch for consistency IMO). Not really a Star Wars fan- the blatant commercialization and the less than interesting later instalments tend to ruin any legacy it had achieved.
Pretty good on screen chemistry, as there seemed with the whole cast. I'd still rate the Scorpius character the best written villain in TV SF, certainly more complex a character than you'd find on virtually any other SF show.
Last edited:
Possibly because the subject of this thread is Star Wars or Star Trek not name your favorite sci-fi show.
captaincranky
Posts: 19,682 +8,814
(RE, "Farscape)
The most unforgettable woman in sci-fi title, (IMHO, of course), goes to
"Battle Star Galactica's" Grace Park. Well, right after Lucy Liu.
All of this is not to say I wasn't taken in by "Farscape", as I have the whole collection. Ben and Claudia just never quite gelled or seemed believable to me as a couple. I loved the series in spite of them, just not because of them.
As far as "Scorpius" goes, it seems Oscar Wilde's, "A Picture of Dorian Gray", has subsequently required all villans to be ugly, or perhaps ugliness has been equated with evil by humans as a cultural manifestation.
As far as Star Trek versus Star Wars goes, the winner is, "Industrial Light and Magic". Their effort on the original Star Wars movie, moved FX forward light years from where it was before.
Perhaps, but being the pig that I am, I'd like to see Ben and Claudia rebooted triple X style. Something along the lines of, "Baby Face Ben meets Raven the Dom". In any event, being the Schweinhund that I am, I'm only into science fiction for the ingenues. A couple of Josh Whedon's semi-failures gave us some of the prettiest women in sci-fi. At the very least, some of those with the most sex appeal. Summer Glau, the, (real life), ballerina, with deep rooted emotional issues in "Firefly" and later as a terminator in, "Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles". Whedon also brought us Amy Acker, another complex, disturbed, character in the currently running TV serial, "Person of Interest". An then there's Eliza Dushku in his short lived, "Dollhouse".
The most unforgettable woman in sci-fi title, (IMHO, of course), goes to
"Battle Star Galactica's" Grace Park. Well, right after Lucy Liu.
All of this is not to say I wasn't taken in by "Farscape", as I have the whole collection. Ben and Claudia just never quite gelled or seemed believable to me as a couple. I loved the series in spite of them, just not because of them.
As far as "Scorpius" goes, it seems Oscar Wilde's, "A Picture of Dorian Gray", has subsequently required all villans to be ugly, or perhaps ugliness has been equated with evil by humans as a cultural manifestation.
I tacked this on for you, just so my post would wend its way back to the topic.
As far as Star Trek versus Star Wars goes, the winner is, "Industrial Light and Magic". Their effort on the original Star Wars movie, moved FX forward light years from where it was before.
G
Guest
I like them both equal . I think my mind would be a lot more closed without Star wars and Star trek . Think what kind of world we would have if no one ever said Luke I am your father or Beam me up Scotty . I don't think people realize the effect of movies like these on a young mans mind. Luke and Captain Kirk show us that we all can be hero's and Han Solo teaches that we don't have to be perfect to be good people . Spok shows us how to use logic and reason over emotion and fear.I could go on but I for one think I am a better person for being a fan of both . Live long and prosper .
captaincranky
Posts: 19,682 +8,814
The Star Trek original series grabbed many of its plot lines, from the hot button issues of the hip era. For example, one episode was about two beings, the last of their kinds, fighting to the death across across the galaxy, because they were both black and white, but on opposite sides of their bodies. Ergo, Star Trek was at its inception a morality play with heavy social commentary, from a reasonably liberal viewpoint. Here, very obviously, was a commentary on the civil rights issue and racism, with little obfuscation attempted.
And yes, idealism runs rampant through Star Trek and Star Wars alike.
G
Guest
That is a tough question, Darth Vader is the best villain in all of movie history (until the prequels ruined his legend), but Kirk, Spock and McCoy will always be without equal. STAR TREK ALL THE WAY!
Railman
Posts: 708 +100
I remember all the hype when Star Wars first come out and looked forward to seeing it. It must have been the most disappointing movie experience I have had. The FX was fantastic but I hated C-P30 and R2-D2. Chewbacca was another annoying character along with Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia. I would sum the movie up as Battle of Britain in space with cute characters.
I enjoy Star Trek but there were low points especially some of the STNG episodes featuring children. I really liked the Voyager stories with Seven of Nine and my opinion of the final TV series Star Trek Enterprise went up when I saw it recently.
Like others there are other Sci Fi series that I really like such as Blake Seven, Andromeda, Doctor Who, Quatermass, BSG (reboot), Stargate, Farscape just to mention a few.
I enjoy Star Trek but there were low points especially some of the STNG episodes featuring children. I really liked the Voyager stories with Seven of Nine and my opinion of the final TV series Star Trek Enterprise went up when I saw it recently.
Like others there are other Sci Fi series that I really like such as Blake Seven, Andromeda, Doctor Who, Quatermass, BSG (reboot), Stargate, Farscape just to mention a few.
G
Guest
I've never watched the Star Trek shows (though I liked the reboot movie). What would be the best ST series to start viewing now? TNG?
Skidmarksdeluxe
Posts: 8,645 +3,290
Neither. I think they're both garbage. I can't stand anything science fiction.
G
Guest
Star Wars is great (especially the original trilogy), but I like Star Trek even more (except the last two reboot movies, which are total garbage in my opinion).
As someone who's pre-teen years were in the early 70's, I became more of a Star Trek fan. I had several models I built, and many books (Enterprise blueprints, Federation manual, etc...). I used to even get and read the novels through the mid 90's. I have followed all of the movies and various series.
That said, I started watching Doctor Who in the mid 80's (WTTW Chicago, 11PM after 'Monty Python' and 'Dave Allen at Large'), and became a big Whovian. I also used to follow the 'Continuing' and 'Lost' Adventures novels. In fact, I stopped reading Star Trek novels due to their low quality compared to the DW novels (I can barely remember any ST novels, but still vividly remember the DW Lost Adventure with the Doctor and the Venusians). I only stopped reading the novels when Target books lost their contract and it took over a year before the BBC got US distribution for their own novels.
That said, I started watching Doctor Who in the mid 80's (WTTW Chicago, 11PM after 'Monty Python' and 'Dave Allen at Large'), and became a big Whovian. I also used to follow the 'Continuing' and 'Lost' Adventures novels. In fact, I stopped reading Star Trek novels due to their low quality compared to the DW novels (I can barely remember any ST novels, but still vividly remember the DW Lost Adventure with the Doctor and the Venusians). I only stopped reading the novels when Target books lost their contract and it took over a year before the BBC got US distribution for their own novels.
tipstir
Posts: 2,873 +206
It's about time you cover these two online games! LOL
Anyway I been playing STO since Feb/March 2014 although I can't get into my main tipstir account since 2012. I am under Coolheadal on their forums and in the game @coolheadal for those who want to friend me?
Now Star Trek Online is fun to play I must say, but in all FED, ROM and KDF factions are really interesting. Now with Delta Rising coming out in Oct 14, 2014 I am looking forward to that.
FED - SCI Vice Admiral
ROM - TAC Vice Admiral
KDF - TAC Vice Admiral
Rep System Tier 1 thru 5 which I've been working on just about wrap up on ROM, KDF and FED is done. Delta Rising Rep System will be joy to take on. Like with any of these games online it's a work-in-progress and going to expect some glitches. They have many patches to fix things. In all these things are expected.
I haven't played Star Wars so I can't comment on that online game experience. As for STO if your really good in XP Point System you really get some uncommon, rare or very rare loot gear from the drops. More like the more fire power you leech out the more awarded you get.
Past Summer Event 2014 on Risa Planet Grind was for Risan Luxury Cruiser. I had deem that Battle StarShip. This year it seems they had award Summer Event 2013 Grind Risan Corvette Escort as a bonus for 2014 Event also. I did get 2 ships for FED, ROM, and KDF.
FED = Federation
ROM = Romulan/Federation
KDF = Klingon
Usually and using these in STO Space below..
FED
U.S.S. Coolheadal (Risan Luxury Cruiser) Battleship
U.S.S. Liberty (Risan Corvette Escort) Attacker
U.S.S. Octavius (Intrepid Class Long Range Science Vessel)
ROM/FED
R.R.W. RAM (Risan Luxury Cruiser) Battleship
R.R.W. ROM (Risan Corvette Escort) Attacker
KDF
I.K.S. KYROS (Risan Luxury Cruiser) Battleship
I.K.S. Octavius (Risan Corvette Escort) Attacker
I.K.S. Pyromaniac (Varunus Support Vessel)
Time will tell!
Anyway I been playing STO since Feb/March 2014 although I can't get into my main tipstir account since 2012. I am under Coolheadal on their forums and in the game @coolheadal for those who want to friend me?
Now Star Trek Online is fun to play I must say, but in all FED, ROM and KDF factions are really interesting. Now with Delta Rising coming out in Oct 14, 2014 I am looking forward to that.
FED - SCI Vice Admiral
ROM - TAC Vice Admiral
KDF - TAC Vice Admiral
Rep System Tier 1 thru 5 which I've been working on just about wrap up on ROM, KDF and FED is done. Delta Rising Rep System will be joy to take on. Like with any of these games online it's a work-in-progress and going to expect some glitches. They have many patches to fix things. In all these things are expected.
I haven't played Star Wars so I can't comment on that online game experience. As for STO if your really good in XP Point System you really get some uncommon, rare or very rare loot gear from the drops. More like the more fire power you leech out the more awarded you get.
Past Summer Event 2014 on Risa Planet Grind was for Risan Luxury Cruiser. I had deem that Battle StarShip. This year it seems they had award Summer Event 2013 Grind Risan Corvette Escort as a bonus for 2014 Event also. I did get 2 ships for FED, ROM, and KDF.
FED = Federation
ROM = Romulan/Federation
KDF = Klingon
Usually and using these in STO Space below..
FED
U.S.S. Coolheadal (Risan Luxury Cruiser) Battleship
U.S.S. Liberty (Risan Corvette Escort) Attacker
U.S.S. Octavius (Intrepid Class Long Range Science Vessel)
ROM/FED
R.R.W. RAM (Risan Luxury Cruiser) Battleship
R.R.W. ROM (Risan Corvette Escort) Attacker
KDF
I.K.S. KYROS (Risan Luxury Cruiser) Battleship
I.K.S. Octavius (Risan Corvette Escort) Attacker
I.K.S. Pyromaniac (Varunus Support Vessel)
Time will tell!
mgwerner
Posts: 242 +393
Oh, I got the point. My point is that it was liberal progressive propaganda, and pushed the bankrupt idea of multiculturalism - that all cultures have equal value. Look at the instances in TNG that the Prime Directive is violated, it is to push the agenda of which you speak.
mgwerner
Posts: 242 +393
"Dave Allen at Large" brings back some fond memories of watching the last show of the programming day, then the National Anthem at the signoff of the station......
I grew up in the 70's, where Star Trek and Space:1999 had a presence well before Star Wars. Later in life, as I rewatch these parts of my childhood, Star Trek has kept my interest with a continued storyline. Star Wars died for me when those awful prequels came out, so much so that I sold off my collection of action figures. In comparison, I still have some memorabilia from Space:1999.
I can also add I remember watching DW on the day the hacker took over the transmitter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_broadcast_signal_intrusion
Only episodes from 4-6 are the coolest movies 
Similar threads
